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Just remember - it is rather difficult to quickly get that bag of fresh popcorn by just leaving it sit inside that "storage box".☺️ Bill

Actually, I recently went deep down the rabbit hole of charging the lithiums vs running AC based items (AC, radar range, toaster) by having a long talk with an awesome tech at Xantrex. May be an issue for another chain but... Turns out that the Xantrex charger is set up to prioritize feeding AC product first and does so by shutting off lithium charging till your AC done with. This is supposedly true whether you are plugged into shore power or running a generator. The tech also pointed out that the factory settings on the Xantrex is set up with shore power in mind so she hand held me through the none too intimidating process of making a couple of tweaks. One was adjusting the charging rate. Factory setting is to draw power at 24amps for charging which is too much for my 2200 Honda generator. Temporarily turned that down to 18amps which, so far, has worked perfectly. Had previously overloaded my generator a number of times while charging with no other AC based draw. Second tweak was adjusting the battery overload auto shut off which was set for something like 12.6 volts. She said that too high of a cut off so we adjusted down to 10.5v. I had been having occassional auto shut offs with an alarm an low voltage warning when using my microwave and the lithiums being at 75% charge. Since making this change, I've had no problem running the microwave at it's highest power draw and have tested with batteries down to 50%. Will test at some point with a lower battery charge level as the lithiums are good to drain effectively down to nearly flat.

I'm glad we were able to opt for the extra storage. For us, it is much more useful than the microwave we mostly used to heat coffee and defrost meat! I love my storage cabinet 😍

This picture shows one of the awnings that Bruce and Cheryl made for LE2 136 that Bill is referring to. As you may be able to see, the were made from PVC pipe and fittings. The head rail and feet, picture below, are marine products. Cheryl traveled with a sewing machine, so of course she made the shades. As I remember, they removed everything except the head rail and feet for travel. They were/are full timers from North Carolina and wintered in Florida. The last time I saw them was at the 2018 Rally where Bruce received an award from Oliver for his contributions to helping solve the fresh water tank capacity issues. Mossey

Hey you were the one who brought up all this fancy ‘underwear’ talk.

We ditched our microwave, as I live easily without it But, now that you are upgrading to lithium, you may actually enjoy the convenience of the microwave, in short bursts. Nice to reheat soups or stews, without dirtying a pan you later have to wash, and then use water 💧. It's all a dance --boondocking. Water/power/solar, etc. I know I spend a lot more time and thought on power management, water management, chasing the sun with our portable panel, etc. and even simple tasks like cooking and cleaning, when camping. But, I actually enjoy that. Not everyone does.

Fold - fold what? I thought we were camping? You mean it doesn't just go back into the "clean" bag or compartment. I have much to learn -

Last time we camped close to Cody WY, found a laundromat that washed & folded our clothes by the pound. We went out for lunch wile they took care of our laundry. 👍

The one really main feature is you can use up your battery reserves 50% faster, which is a huge issue if you do not have access to shore power or a sizable generator to recharge. I am a fan of “less is better” when it comes to power hungry accessories..... I would toss our microwave but my spouse forbids it. John Davies Spokane WA

AS a boondocker - I would say for me, solar, compost toilet, Truma, 30 lb. Propane, front tray, the rear rack (so I could modify) Perhaps the extra power port would be good, but I am good without it. . From experience - don't purchase the factory shower curtain track - if you are at all handy, you can come up with a very good solution, at a much more sensible cost. If your all thumbs - well - ok . A portable remote Solar - is a good thing to have. The factory LI is not worth the trouble(cost) in my opinion, The AGM's make more sense in the current time frame - I am positive others feel differently. Happy Trails RB

Most owners install these gutters a bit closer to the windows in a fashion similar to the picture below. Anyone that is interested in this mod should read and re-read the installation instructions and various owner's tips here on the Forum. Bill

The adjustments to the Xantrex setting are quick and easy to do. Their instructions manual is intimidatingly long and certainly contains this information. In my case, I called them directly to ask about my overload issues with the generator and under voltage shut down of the Xantrex and they walked me through the rest. When I discussed this process with Jason at Oliver, he seemed interested and planned on following up with Xantrex to find out if my settings were a one off. My thought is that if you are not having a similar problem, there's nothing to worry about. If you are having the same problems, the adjustments are easy to do and either Xantrex or filing a ticket with Oliver should get things right. With the lithium system in our trailers being so new, I am not surprised that things required tweaks and was reassured (so far) to experience how easy it was to make adjustments. Over the next few days, I plan on running the battery level down lower and seeing how the under voltage cut off setting works. Will report back if further adjustment was required. To reiterate my tweaks: Tweak #1: The Xantrex charging rate was at "factory setting" running at 24 amps. My 2200 generator cannot supply that much for more than a short time so I adjusted down to 18 amps which is still high for running rate on that generator but has held for a full half hour of charging. If plugged into shore power and on a 20 amp (household type) circuit, 24 amps of charge would be too high anyhow but again, the new 18 amp setting seems fine. Tweak #2: My low voltage cut off (setting off alarm and a temporary shut down) was set to a battery level of 12.6 volts. Again, this was described to me as "factory setting". After asking for specs on my lithiums, I was instructed to adjust down to 10.5 volts. That held well with the batteries at around 50% and I'll experiment with them at a lower level. Tested with microwave, which was continuously causing a shut down, and all held well. Caveat: This is all way above my pay grade. It is probably prudent to file a ticket with the Oliver shop to get feedback and ascertain if your settings and situation are different then mine. Hope this info is helpful.

Fritz - Yes - that "gutter" has the main purpose of directing water away from the windows. THIS is the product. There are a number of threads about it and the installation of it on the Forum. Bill

Is the only option now the number of axles?

Yep, They even washed the bag! 👍

I've lurked now for several years on this forum, and over the last year have even begun sneaking in some questions. I've been highly impressed with the knowledge, advice, suggestions, and ideas; the constructive forum community has contributed to our selecting an LE2. And now that we are getting closer to finalizing our order, I thought I'd send in a more formal introduction. My first RV in the late 1970s was a Job Corps bus (a shorty school bus); since then my wife Susan and I have backpacked, tent- and car-camped, owned 2 Airstreams (1965 Globetrotter and a 1966 Caravele), and over the last 13 years have averaged 2-3 months per year in a Sprinter conversion attending old-time music festivals, exploring the west, and visiting friends and family throughout the country. Our vacations over the years have also included numerous self-supported whitewater raft and kayak trips. We hope to continue doing all of these things, and perhaps, in our travels we'll have an opportunity to meet some of you in person. In the meantime, I look forward to learning from you.

I know the bolt in the red circle holds down the roof unit. I think, because I don’t remember, the screw in the green circle holds the control portion of the inside cover in place. To remove 90% of the inside cover, open the curb and street side vents completely and 2 screws will be visible in each opening. Now that you know where to look, open the front and rear vents completely and look on the hinge side of the opening and you should see 2 screws in each opening, but they are much harder to see. Use a long #2 Phillips screwdriver with a round barrel because you will be rubbing on plastic and a square barrel will hinder your efforts. Mossey

We've had a few VERY minor issues. Oliver has very promptly helped us diagnose and fix all of them. Super impressed with service at Oliver and couldn't be happier with our trailer.

Good news - I'm talking about the Honda 2200i. Yamaha seems to have some supply chain issues if they can't ship units until spring. Best of luck in your hunt should you stay committed to the blue team.

From looking at the Oliver University manuals I see these inverters mentioned. The 2021 updates have not been posted yet. 2020 Xantrex Freedom XC Pro 3000 Xantrex Freedom XC 2000 2019 - 2015 Xantrex PROwatt 2000 Inverter 2014 not mentioned

Back to the original posted question. The Oliver website shows that the 2000 watt inverter is the "2000 Watt Xantrex Freedom XC Inverter" but only mentions the 3000 watt option as "3000 Watt Inverter". Are both options using the Freedom XC Pro or is the 2000 watt the non Pro model? Xantrex's website shows that there are are both XC Pro 2000 and 3000 watt rated inverters, however, there is also a Freedom XC (non-Pro) rated at 2000 watts which indicates there may be other differences beside the rated capacities. Mike

Sounds to me maybe a tank top and shorts, with flip flops, while commando, means less to wash??

That’s an EZE Gutter that a lot of OTTO's have installed closer to the windows. The gutters needed to be installed higher with the window shades. Mossey

Hah! I was surprised to see it removed from the build sheet but I'm guessing it was removed due to lack of customer demand. I'm happy to have picked one up with the box option though...

To answer the original question, I think we’ve actually gotten an overload alarm once even with a 3000 watt inverter - maybe coffeemaker plus hairdryer or something like that. Point being that you adjust your camping lifestyle to what you’ve got. 3000 watts isn’t at all necessary, but if you’ve got it you’ll probably get used to using it.

The 2022 models no longer have a storage box option so the decision to get a microwave is easy 😁

Fritz, there isn't much of a difference between the XC 2000 Pro and the XC 3000 Pro. Even the retail price difference between the two is small - something around $200 if I remember correctly. I do know that the 2021 uses a different power distribution panel if you get the Pro package (including the XC 3000). Obviously the wiring will differ as well since it can't handle the AC. It is possible the 2022 models have a more unified panel but the details haven't been made public that I'm aware of. Upgrading to the XC 3000 without lithium was not an option when I asked. I suspect this is more about decreasing factory assembly line complexity than anything else.

Welcome Fritz and Susan. Fellow WW boaters - yeah. RB

On all the units manufactured post 2009, there are inner liners on all the cabinets (except the bathroom and center rear). This will prevent you from (easily) being able to access the inside of the outer hull to mount any kind of backing plate. This curved piece is the inside liner for the cabinets. It is made of fiberglass. This photo is of Hull # 050 taken in 2013 during construction.

Hey Fritz and Susan, welcome! Look forward to meeting you both. Mike

Gotta love that concept!

Of course with a 1,000 more watts you can always run more "stuff" at the same time . Bill

A bit of a "formal" welcome to you Fritz. I guess that we finally wore you down? In any case, it is good that you're here and we look forward to that day when you post pictures of your new Oliver delivery. Bill p.s. Time2Go - its now time to really start getting excited!

Bruce & Cheryl (Forum name Cheryl) - long time Oliver Elite II owners designed and made window shades for their Ollie some time ago. Perhaps one of them will chime in and/or a PM to them might get info on how they did theirs. Bill

Thanks for the confirmation, Landrover, on the vendor. I wasn't sure if correct.. I posted zipdee's installation and setup videos a few posts up. I'll look up a link to dealer sales. https://inlandrv.com/product/zip-dee-rear-window-awning/ http://www.awningsbyzipdee.com/rv-awning-products.html Probably six of one, half dozen of the other, but I honestly prefer the look of the Carefree. Probably a personal choice .

I looked up the weights on the carefree website. A 3.5 to 4 ft awning is quoted at 32 to 50 lbs. Probably too heavy for suction cups.

That looks nice. The thing that bothers me about the shade cloth, or a tarp, are all those grommets , and the possibility of them scratching the hull in the wind. You could cut and hem that end, and insert heavy webbing loops, instead of the brass grommets.

shade cloth interested me....a 12x20 piece is 100bucks...would cover the whole side of the trailer and me light. see link:Shade Cloth, 70% Black (greenhousemegastore.com) only need 3 hard points on top and poles/anchors at the bottom...????

Welcome to the forum! We will pick up our new LE2 in four more weeks. Can't wait. Sounds like to Oliver will be a great fit for your traveling lifestyle.

I didn’t try that one, but if you are not traveling solo and only one of you likes firearms, the other can wash clothes and surf, while you wander down the street to the Buffalo Bill Center of the West museum. Not to be missed! There are some interesting stores along the main drag, I bought a nice knife in one, but Cody can be extremely busy with visitors going to and from Yellowstone.... John Davies Spokane WA

You sure that the "sulfur smell" was from the hot springs?😝 Another very nice coin laundry is located in Cody at 1728 Beck Ave. While you do the wash you can catch up on this Forum and emails with the free WiFi too. Bill

I've thought about the need for a 30 Amp generator - thinking primarily that I'd be able to charge the Lithiums faster - however, that's not true in our case. Our 3000 watt inverters are configured to charge the Lithiums at 100 Amps, which requires about 11 amps of 120V power, so a single Honda/Yamaha 2200 is plenty of generator to charge the batteries at full speed. In fact, a generator that can deliver 15 amps sustained at 120 volts can deliver ~150 amps (in theory) sustained at 12 volts. Your 1800W toaster will require (1800W / 12V) nearly 150 amps, which a single 2200 can also support. Just don't charge your batteries and run your toaster oven at the same time unless you have 30 Amps - and even then it's gonna be borderline for something like a charger and a toaster oven. Bottom line - I don't see the pressing need for more than a small, 2200 Watt generator at this time - and whether or not it has a 30 Amp plug is not a differentiator when it comes to generators.

A great big NO, do not transport one in any position but dead upright. You could maybe get away with a steep angle (not sideways) when it is completely stationary, but not in motion. Even if you drain the gas - and you should run the carb dry every time - the oil will maybe run out the breaher vent, and the engine mounting system is not designed to support weight in the “wrong” direction. If you don’t drain the gas, it will run out the carb, either into the cylinder head or through the paper air filter and onto the floor. At the very least a mess, at worst a fire hazard and it might maybe possibly screw up the generator. So, just forget this idea. John Davies Spokane WA

If I understand correctly, at least on the Honda e2200 there's only a 30 amp plug on the "companion" model, which you would want if you were looking to run two together to get 30 amps/3600 Watts of output. In which case said plug is a necessity.

2,200 watt generators only output 18.3 amps at peak and 15 amps constant. Andrew

You already have solar on your list. If you plan to boondock a lot, that's the single option that would be on my "must have" list. If that includes agm batteries, I'd definitely like to have those instead of FLA. How many watts of solar in the Legacy Elite I package? We've done really well with 200 watts for many years , until we installed the 12v fridge. Then, we needed portable solar, and some days, a small generator to keep up. We don't have the composting toilet, nor the shower curtain, so I can't comment. I do think the composting toilet will save some water. I would look beyond your current items to portable solar (not necessarily Zamp, which is heavy and pricey), a small generator, and a better battery monitor than the Zamp, if you want to boondock a lot with 2 batteries, you'll want more information than the Zamp monitor provides, imo. These are not on the options list, but our of pocket, I think . I would limit other additions to the trailer which use power. The included 6 gallon water heater worked fine for us , til it died. We added an inverter, then wound up removing it because we didn't use it. We originally had a microwave, but removed it,when it died ,and really enjoy the additional storage. Our television is unplugged. Stereo usually turned off at the breaker. We cook outside, or on the lo stovetop, including coffee. No kuerig for us. This is my opinion,only, but, based on 13 seasons mostly without power. If you plan to camp often with power, it's another ballgame .

Thank you for your service! And welcome!

Thank you for your service!

A great big howdy from west of Nashville! Welcome.

I'll take delivery of LEII in Sep 2021. My TV is a 2018 F150 XL STX, SCREW SB, 4x4, 5.0 V8,10 spd auto, tow pkg ...1959 payload on the door sticker. So, it's not "loaded" but it has good payload for F150.