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For anyone looking to buy a new Ford truck, that don’t have access to one of Ford’s X, A, etc. plan discounts, I don’t think you can do any better price-wise than ordering a new truck from Granger Ford in Iowa. I haven’t kept up with them recently, but they had been selling new Fords at 3% below dealer cost - basically the same price as Ford’s employees get. I believe you could fly there and they’d even pick you up at the airport, and then drive home in your new truck. I don’t have any affiliation with Granger, and have never dealt with them, but I’ve seen many, many excellent reviews of them on Ford truck forums.
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Speaking of buying a truck from a dealer in another state, flying there, and driving home with a new truck, Granger Ford in Iowa will let you order a new Ford truck from them at 3% below dealer invoice cost. From what I know, together with their low closing costs, they are the lowest priced Ford dealer in the US. I don’t know how they handle trade ins, if at all, but they get glowing reviews from people from all over the country that buy trucks from them. Even with the travel costs to get there and back home, you’d still save thousands of $$ compared to buying a new vehicle at full MSRP, which is what many dealers are charging these days. (I’m not affiliated with Granger, and have never bought a vehicle from them, but read great things about them every day on the F150 Internet forums.)
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Rather than calling this “Yellowstone Closing”, perhaps today’s status report should be listed under the title “Yellowstone Opening”
https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/news/220613.htm
Well, sorta…
Remarkable progress in 4 days, but lots more to do.
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Personally, I wouldn’t be too quick in canceling my plans to visit SW Montana this year if you were planning on going there. Things always seem like the end of the world is coming when you’re in the middle of the storm, as the prior posts here seem to portray, but when you look back after the storms have passed by they often don’t seem so bad.
Sure, there was plenty of severe damage in the northern part of Yellowstone Park earlier this week, and that part of the Park will be closed the rest of this year, and perhaps beyond. It may take a year, or perhaps longer until a new road is built from Gardiner to Mammoth at the northern entrance, and the Lamar Valley and out to the Northeast entrance will also be closed for sometime as well. However, I wouldn’t expect other entrances to the closed for very long so you’ll still have access to the southern part of the Park. You might also need some type of advance reservation to get into the Park when it does open, but that’s a good thing regardless of the events that happened earlier this week, to limit the Park’s overcrowding.
Water levels there have receded significantly over the past couple days, and although still high, they are now at manageable levels. Even with the warm weather now forecast for the next couple days I don’t believe you’re going to see any more significant flooding there this year. (My personal opinion, from an optimistic fisherman’s perspective.)
John
p.s. I spent 20 years on the banks of the Yellowstone River in Paradise Valley north of Yellowstone Park. There will still be some great fishing there this summer, and hundreds of other enjoyable outdoor activities to do.
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On 6/2/2022 at 2:34 PM, Kathy Tewart said:
I was wondering if campgrounds are less crowded this year due to fuel prices or other factors? We have our Ollie but are still waiting for our Ford 150 hybrid to be delivered so we have not been camping since December. We will go camping when we get the truck-we joined Harvest Host and Boondockers welcome plus we should be able to boondock more than we had in the past. I'm going to try planning camp spots for certain destinations but filling in between by dry camping when we can. I'd love to hear your experiences with state park CG, COE etc...
I’m also waiting on a F150 hybrid ordered last December. A VIN was assigned to the order, and it’s had a Priority Code 2 (Ford’s highest priority) on the order for a couple months, but there’s still no planned production date for it. At this point I’m hoping it doesn’t get built as a 2022 model, but is carried over to a 2023 model several months from now. Otherwise, I’m probably going to back out of buying the truck if and when it does get here.
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On 1/14/2022 at 12:15 PM, MarkC said:
I’ve been reading about Beartooth Hwy. And, it seems 50/50, for and against, on pulling a trailer over it. Has anyone done it in their Oliver? What are your thoughts?
Can you do it? Probably.
Can you do safely? Possibly.
Should you do it? No.
P.S. Consider joining the Flying Wallendas instead.
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On 11/4/2021 at 7:32 AM, LongStride said:
Hopped into the truck yesterday afternoon to go to the market and it burst into flames. When I started it, smoke started rolling out from under the hood. I told my wife to get out, move away from the truck and call 911. When I got out of the truck there were flames in the drivers side wheel well and my driveway was on fire under the engine bay. I ran to the house and grabbed a fire extinguisher. I killed the flames under the truck and then the flames in the wheel well. I stepped back and it burst into flames again. I gave it another shot and put it out (or so I thought). I opened the hood and there were still flames so I attacked it from above and finally extinguished it. Fire dept. showed up and made certain that the fire was out.
My truck is a 2020 with less than 8,000 miles on it. Not happy. Not a good time to buy a new truck if they total it. Even if they can repair it I don't think I want to keep it after it suffered a fire like that. Who knows what hidden damage it caused in addition to the obvious.
Sorry to hear of your fire.
I, too, had a truck fire 3 years ago when my 2012 Ford F-150 caught fire just as I backed it into the storage unit that we rented at the time in Montana. The fire ended up burning the entire building and destroyed all of the contents that were in it, not only mine but of the other tenants as well. I’m guessing the total losses were around $10 million. Although the cause of the fire was inconclusive, I believe it was related to my truck’s air conditioner blower motor.
I also have State Farm insurance, and they were very fair with me in handling my claims, which totaled over 900 items, including an RV, truck, boats, ATV, utility trailer, and numerous personal items, etc. I never retained an attorney, although State Farm had/has retained one on my behalf, and they are handling the multiple lawsuits that resulted from the fire.
If you do decide to replace your truck and buy a new one, there are some pretty good deals to be had if you’re not in a hurry and can afford to shop around. For example, one dealer in Iowa is presently offering to sell new Ford trucks ordered from the factory at 3% below dealer invoice, with anticipated delivery times of around 3 months, depending on the model ordered.
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I carry bear spray, but I normally carry so many fly boxes (mostly unneeded!), and other related items that I don’t think I’d have any place left for a handgun, cell phone, or a Garmin Inreach like you’re carrying. That Garmin in particular is something I’ve never considered carrying, but with the minimal cell phone coverage around there, that’s a really good idea.
That guy who was attacked by the grizzly at Baker’s Hole apparently was able to crawl a short distance after being attacked to a place where he had cell phone service where he then called 911. It’s quite possible he knew where there was cell phone service since he lived nearby. Had he not had cell phone service he’d probably have died on the spot.
I’ve also stayed at Baker’s Hole a number of times. I’m not going to be staying there this time but I frequently park my truck in the campground parking lot and fish there. (Or, I should say I go to CATCH BiG FISH 🎣 there!)
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I recently read the final investigative report about the fellow from West Yellowstone that was killed by a grizzly this past spring near Baker’s Hole campground, just north of West Yellowstone. That grizzly had a cached moose carcass and was apparently defending it when the guy walked into the area. Your moose pictures, story about fly fishing and always carrying bear spray when in that part if the country reminded me of that grizzly attack, Bill, as it happened just a few miles down the road from where you were.
Here’s the report in case you didn’t see it: https://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/es/species/mammals/grizzly/Baker's Hole Fatality - final.pdf
I’m heading to Montana in a couple days for a month of fishing, if I don’t choke to death from all of the smoke. (Some of your pictures looked like it could have been pretty smokey, Bill.) I’ll be staying in West Yellowstone most of the time.
John
Here’s a couple pictures from Baker’s Hole campground near where that grizzly attack occurred.
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We spent 18 summers on the Yellowstone River, north of Yellowstone National Park and rarely used our awnings, and when we did use them it was mostly in the morning before the wind picked up. I’m sure there are other locations in the west, and elsewhere. where awning use is also limited. My suggestion is to also consider where you’ll be using your RV, and how often you’ll use yours awning(s) versus their cost and convenience.
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I do not own an Ollie (yet) but I have stored my RVs, ATVs, boats, trucks, etc. in fully enclosed rented facilities in SW Montana for nearly 20 years.
I’ve had electric, but have not had climate controlled facilities. I winterize the RVs, remove the batteries and keep them on trickle chargers during the winter, and have never had a problem with anything come spring.
One word of caution: If you’re going to be storing your Ollie in an enclosed facility, pay close attention to its fire prevention/detection. I won’t go into further details here as it can be a whole separate subject, but John Davies comment about working inside with the door down, makes me shudder! (The electric goes off… the lights and power go off… you’re in the dark… there is no easy way out…a fire starts…)
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7 hours ago, Moonlight Mile said:
Someone withe years of RV and Ollie ownership told me of a brand of 4-season (fiberglass?) trailer made in Canada that is top notch. Might check into that? Sorry I cannot remember the brand name but someone here far more knowledgeable than I surely does, or a Google search would probably show it. I have a buyer coming to see mine Fri May 7 and have privately notified all who said they may come to see it; I am trying to be fair and courteous about this process as best I can. Ad on RVT expired and in my very limited experience (!) this forum is the best place to list an Ollie, if for no other reason than that people seriously looking into Ollies (new or used) seem to be here or sogn up and research thoroughly via this official branded site. YMMV! 🙂
He may have been speaking of Bigfoot trailers. Also, Northern Lite, located in Canada, longtime maker of (IMO) the best made truck campers has plans to make a 4-season trailer called the Boreal. You can see some information about it on their website. It would be constructed somewhat along the lines of an Ollie II, but a bit more spacious.
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I have owned a small handful of RV’s, including an Airstream that I bought new as a factory order. I do not presently own an Oliver, but wish I did.
Over the years I bought each of my RV’s new, and every one was purchased with the thought being that they were the best I could get irrespective of price at the time I bought them.
Sadly, however, the Airstream was the worst of the lot BY FAR when compared to the others I have owned. The company had no quality control whatsoever, their management lacked integrity, and buying it was the worst decision I ever made. And I’m not talking about little problems.
I cringe every time I read someone mention Airstream in the same breath as Oliver.
Carry on...
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I drive past Buffalo every year on my way to and from MT, but have never fished there. In fact, I just drove by Buffalo at the end of last month after fishing for several weeks in SW MT. I would suggest contacting one of the fly shops in Sheridan, like the Fly Shop of the Bighorns, and ask them if you don’t get your answers here.
I believe you are looking more for boondocking locations, but I could recommend the Deer Park Campground in Buffalo or Peter D’s RV Park in Sheridan if you’re looking for full service campgrounds to stay in. I’ve stayed in both of those multiple times, as have a number of my friends. I’ve also stayed overnight a few times at the rest stop located on the east side of Sheridan along Interstate 90. That one is nice and clean, and is located a bit off the interstate so it is a quieter than most, and sits on a hill side overlooking the town.
Lake De Smet is right next to the interstate just west of Buffalo and I understand it has some pretty big trout in it. I don’t see many people fishing it when I drive by, and I always tell myself I should stop to check it out, but never do. I’m sure there are some small streams in the area, and other lakes to fish in too.
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22 minutes ago, Susan Huff said:
It is my understanding Oliver is still finalizing the details of both the 2021 brochure and build worksheet. I was given a 2021 price sheet, but it does not reflect the recent awning changes.
I am certain everyone at Oliver is very busy right now, transitioning to a new model year. Business goes on and changes make it difficult to keep on top of everything. I imagine it's very much like the transition from one fiscal year to another. Perhaps this will put it in perspective:
As a business manager for a small school district, the first months of transition - June, July, and August - were my least favorite time. You are still working in last year's budget, accounting for receivables/payables from both budget years, preparing the new fiscal budget for submission to the State Dept, (deadline) and importing the new budget into accounting software. There are new contracts to approve, purchase orders to process, forms to update, and then the chaos of a new school year. Now the focus is on the new fiscal budget, but there are reports to compile for the annual audit of the prior year (deadline). Once the audit is complete, and submitted to the State Dept (deadline), accounting data (last year's budget) must be uploaded to the State Dept (deadline). Spreadsheets for projecting the next year's budget for presentation to administration and the budget committee (deadline) Oh, and I forgot to mention, negotiating union contracts for two bargaining units, Federal grant reimbursements to process (deadline), administrative meetings, staff to supervise, questions to answer . . . . . . . .
Looking back on my career gives me an acute awareness of the things Oliver is faced with as they continue to build a quality travel trailer.
In addition to the transition to a new model year, Oliver is most likely scrambling to get back up to speed after a month-long Covid-19 shut down. They are undoubtedly making modifications to their production line and office operations in order to provide a safe workplace during the pandemic. I commend them for their perseverance and dedication. As we all know this isn't a normal year.
Like our school district, Oliver is a small operation; it behooves us all for Oliver to remain small so they can continue to build and support a superior product. Yes, it's hard to wait. Yes, we must be patient. If it is any consolation, we are in the same situation.
My mantra - "This too shall pass" - Persian adage, Americanized by Abraham Lincoln,
I was told about a couple changes, like the addition of a smart TV in this coming year’s model, that I was not aware of. So I’m sure there is a lot if that going on.
Susan, don’t you know that you’re supposed to forget all those stressful things from your former job when you retire/leave it?😀 I did.
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8 minutes ago, Susan Huff said:
It is my understanding Oliver is still finalizing the details of both the 2021 brochure and build worksheet. I was given a 2021 price sheet, but it does not reflect the recent awning changes.
I am certain everyone at Oliver is very busy right now, transitioning to a new model year. Business goes on and changes make it difficult to keep on top of everything. I imagine it's very much like the transition from one fiscal year to another. Perhaps this will put it in perspective:
As a business manager for a small school district, the first months of transition - June, July, and August - were my least favorite time. You are still working in last year's budget, accounting for receivables/payables from both budget years, preparing the new fiscal budget for submission to the State Dept, (deadline) and importing the new budget into accounting software. There are new contracts to approve, purchase orders to process, forms to update, and then the chaos of a new school year. Now the focus is on the new fiscal budget, but there are reports to compile for the annual audit of the prior year (deadline). Once the audit is complete, and submitted to the State Dept (deadline), accounting data (last year's budget) must be uploaded to the State Dept (deadline). Spreadsheets for projecting the next year's budget for presentation to administration and the budget committee (deadline) Oh, and I forgot to mention, negotiating union contracts for two bargaining units, Federal grant reimbursements to process (deadline), administrative meetings, staff to supervise, questions to answer . . . . . . . .
Looking back on my career gives me an acute awareness of the things Oliver is faced with as they continue to build a quality travel trailer.
In addition to the transition to a new model year, Oliver is most likely scrambling to get back up to speed after a month-long Covid-19 shut down. They are undoubtedly making modifications to their production line and office operations in order to provide a safe workplace during the pandemic. I commend them for their perseverance and dedication. As we all know this isn't a normal year.
Like our school district, Oliver is a small operation; it behooves us all for Oliver to remain small so they can continue to build and support a superior product. Yes, it's hard to wait. Yes, we must be patient. If it is any consolation, we are in the same situation.
My mantra - "This too shall pass" - Persian adage, Americanized by Abraham Lincoln,
I was told, but I forget, the exact increase in number of units they’re building this year compared to last. That does raise another significant question in my mind: namely quality control.
Increased production implies a number of additional, newly hired workers, and perhaps an increase in employee turnover. I’m somewhat leary about having something (anything) built by a factory of new hires.
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30 minutes ago, John E Davies said:
The front tray used to be called a generator tray, then, presumably after consulting with the company lawyers, they renamed it a cargo tray. You aren’t supposed to run a portable generator that close to a living area, tho many people obviously do. A front 30 A connection would be handy if you run one in your pickup bed, for example. It does make the campsite look neater, without the cable running down half the length of the trailer. I did not see a need to buy that extra connection, but normally we run off 12 volts.
One thing I would add to a pre delivery inspection checklist is to have them show you that the transfer switch indeed is there and functioning correctly.
John Davies
Spokane WA
I would certainly want to know where the transfer switch is located and that it is functioning properly. I have a cap on the back of my truck so I wouldn’t intend to run it in there, but I do like the idea of having it on the ground in the front of the trailer so it is away from the bedroom area in the event I wanted to run it at night. I would probably get a waterproof doggy sized tent and put it on the ground for the generator. The propane tanks being up front is probably another reason not to run the generator in that front tray.
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18 minutes ago, Mainiac said:
Maybe the real question is???.. Did they find the answer? Or, if not, did they get back to you? I can see where someone in the "front" office might not know the answer to that question, but I can't believe they wouldn't follow through for you.
I wasn’t really expecting anyone to get back to me on that. He did say that the Oliver was built to code, which I would assume would be a requirement for that 30 AMP convenience connection.
I was expecting to receive a 2021order form and a brochure via email, however, which I have not yet received, but it has only been a day now. (Patience isn’t one of my virtues. 😀)
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Thank you for your answer, Overland.
I was surprised that the Oliver sales guy did not know about transfer switches. We owned an Airstream a few years back that had a transfer switch that was improperly wired at the factory and it almost burned our trailer down.
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I am considering ordering a new Oliver and would want to be able to use a portable generator with it on occasion. I assumed that the 30 AMP convenience connection option is what I would need to plug the trailer into a generator. But maybe that’s not the case??
However, when I asked Oliver sales If the Oliver then had a transfer switch so you wouldn’t be connected at the same time to shore power as well as a generator, the answer was “...don’t know...never been asked that question before.”
So, is there a transfer switch on an Oliver?
Thanks, John
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My wife and I spent our summers in MT for 18 years. I kept my RV’s, boats, an ATV and its trailer there most, if not all, of the year in a rented storage facility, and had them all titled there, although I am a legal resident of another state. I didn’t need a driver’s license or an LLC to get my MT titles and licenses, and on one or more occasion when I went to the county courthouse to get a license for one of these newly purchased items and told them my driver’s license was from another state they didn’t even want to see my driver’s license. MT does not have any sales tax, you don’t have to buy it in MT, only title it there to avoid the tax, and they also offer a modestly priced lifetime license on those items if you choose to get one. I’ve also bought a couple trucks in MT, kept and used them there for several months or more, and after returning with them to my home state transferred the title there, and avoided paying sales tax which only applied to purchases made within 6 months previous.
I do not own an Oliver, but I’m contemplating doing so. If I do buy one, I’d probably title it in MT. The difference from many others is that I’d probably also keep it in MT much of the time. I don’t think I’d want to park it in my home driveway for an extended period of time with MT plates on it.
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On 1/26/2020 at 5:54 PM, reader said:
Have you stayed in your travel trailer every summer all 18 summers?
Actually, we had 5 different RV’s over that time period that we stayed in from May to September.
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My wife and I have spent 18 summers on the Yellowstone River, midway between Livingston and Gardiner, and the north entrance to the Park., so we’re in and through the Park multiple times over the course of every summer, and going in and out of every entrance.
There have already been lots of good suggestions given here already which I won’t duplicate, but I’d like to offer a couple more points to keep in mind.
One is that if you go into the Park early, say between 5:00 am and 7:00 am, you’ll beat most of the slow traffic, plus have a better chance of seeing wildlife. And, May is a good time to see wildlife in the Park. (While I don’t disagree with the recommendations regarding Grizzly RV Park, West Yellowstone, and areas surrounding the West entrance, it is often really backed up traffic wise there, both getting into the Park, and often all the way to Madison Junction and beyond, unless you plan on getting into the Park at the crack of dawn.)
The other point I’d like to make is to look up ahead of time what the planned road construction is for the summer in the Park, and if your time is limited, make your plans to minimize delays that you might incur in these construction zones, which can be done to some extent by taking a different route in the Park, and/or driving through construction zones at off hours. You may also wish to avoid towing your trailer through construction zones in any case - another reason you might wish to stay outside the Park.
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I’m new here and this is my first post, so I hope you don’t mind if I provide a bit of input to your question before I introduce myself.
I’ve driven HYW 25 between Cheyenne and Buffalo a time or two, although it isn’t the normal route that I take each year between my home in PA and our summer destination along the Yellowstone River south of Livingston, MT. (I don’t recall anything in particular about this section of highway, pro or con).
I do have a number of friends that always stay at the Deer Park Campground in Buffalo whenever they travel to or from the Livingston, MT area every year and most of them consider Buffalo, WY as a comfortable day’s travel from Livingston, MT, but it is more than a 4 hour drive if that’s what you’re planning. I also have a retired dentist friend and his wife that live in Buffalo, and a couple years ago he drove between Livingston and Buffalo every week all summer when he was still working there one day a week.
One of the best RV Parks in SW MT is Yellowstone’s Edge RV Park, 18 miles south of Livingston, MT, which is right on the river, and on HWY 89 South, which goes to Gardiner and Yellowstone National Park. If you’re looking for something more primitive, there a multiple places along the HWY between Livingston and the Park where you could stop with your trailer to spend the night.
John
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Important Update about Oliver Service
in General Announcements
Posted · Edited by Flyfisher
I only had 1 Airstream and that was 1 too many. I had terrible service experiences with 3 Airstream dealers I took it to for repairs. But worst of all was the absolute pile of crap built by Airstream itself that had zero quality control at that time. (It was so bad that they forced me to sign a non disclosure agreement before they would repair the trailer at the factory.)