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EUREKA, COLORADO, ghost town, boondocking location. Nearly everyone is scattered enough that generator use doesn't cause even the raising of a single eyebrow ! Located just North of Silverton Colorado, to get there, You just continue on up Main street going out of town untill the pavement ends. The road is well maintained and wide. There is a bridge and a sign telling you that you are at Eureka. Here is what it looks like:

CarolAnn, I would think you could order a Classic and get what additional features you want, including the double pane windows, or anything else for that matter. However, my guess is that once you add a few options that you want on the Classic, you will reach a price that is very close to what the Elite costs, yet you will be short of several things that the Elite has that the Classic doesn't have. I think that is why so many folks opt for the Elite. It gives you more stuff for the buck than ordering a classic and adding on what else you may want. However, just add what options you want to the Classic, price out the options, and add them to the base price of the Classic and see how you come out. My guess is that you may come out spending less money, but getting less for the money you spend. I think they will build you a Classic with whatever options you desire, including the double pane windows. Here are the options and their prices: Options for “Oliver Travel Trailers” Aluminum Spare Wheel $120 Generator Quick Connect $719 Gas Line Quick Connect $252 Additional Female 12 Volt Outlet $48 Swivel Reading Lamps (ea) Position (choices) 1,2,3 $150 2000 Watt Inverters $659 Soap Dispenser (Kitchen) $66 Soap Dispenser (3 Way Shower) $71 Twin Bed Set Up $720 30 Pound LP Tanks and Regulators (price for 2 tanks and regulators) $119 Back Up Camera $840 Front Mural $234 Double Pane Thermal Windows (excludes Bathroom) $570 Thermastat for A/C $215 Solar Ready (no panel-outside connection) Call for pricing.

Doug, I know you will be very happy with your new Oliver. My wife, Tali, and I just took delivery on our last week. We could not be happier with it. We made no omissions to the package that comes with the Legacy Elite as the options included met all our needs. We did add the convection microwave so as to have some additional cooking options. We also added the Aluminum wheels and 8-ply tires, the lift kit, a gen-set hookup, double pane windows and the backup camera. I also had the factory modify my frame to give me a longer tongue as our current TV is a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited. It has a back gate that opens like a door and we needed room for it to swing over the tongue without hitting the basket for the generator. In addition, I had them add two receivers on the rear of the frame so I can attach a rear carrier if I want to. Anything you want done, the Oliver crew will make every attempt to do as they are truly outstanding. I overheard Jim Oliver tell one of his crew "We never tell a customer 'That can't be done'." Everyone else has already been over several other very useful options and I echo their statements on them. We opted for the twin bed model. We decided that, with the additional floor space and storage room, it was worth giving up sleeping in the same bed. We also have a large dog that will be traveling with us and he needs room also. I will be happy to send you some pictures of our interior if you think it would help in your decision making process. PM me with your e-mail with any questions and I will be glad to provide any info I can...

Hi DougI !!! And welcome to the forum and congratulations on your purchase! So many options have been made standard, I have a hard time keeping up BUT the double pane windows are a "gotta' have". I,ve had a single shell w/single pane windows in my Casita and the Oliver has been in much colder weather and stayed much warmer, easier! By the same token, the A/C doesn't have to work as hard so the 9200 btu A/C is doable making generator usage easier. You have picked other good options with the solar ready and propane tee. Suggest a gen ready kit also. Alum spare will save a little weight. I discussed a sewer ext to hookup a 'Sewer Solution' vs the 'stinky slinky' with Daniel and I will be emailing pics to him when I get mine done. Bugeye didn't mention his great cell phone amplifier built in between his top shells! He'll explain it to you now that I've pointed out that he FORGOT to mention it!! He's getting so short time to his retirement that it's all he can think about!!! Looking forward to meeting you down the road, Chuck

I really don't expect anyone here to be interested in the coolest of all small motor homes, but since I want to sell it so that I can get an Oliver, I thought that I would post it. The motor home is in excellent condition with many extra such as backing camera, CalMark Sunbrella storage cover, and extra 12 volt lighting. Fully equipped with everything you will need including an Oman generator. It now has 28,000 miles on it, and it gets 20 mpg average. It is great to drive and very quiet. $47,000. Call: Jerry at 360-730-1925 Langley, WA

JJ & Sandie... Definitely love the electric jacks, the 4" lift and thermal pane windows. The day/night shades are not just pretty, but so functional in keeping out the sun when lowered even partway to meet the dayshade. We're not much for TV, so I probably wouldn't do the satellite TV again, but that's us. We do love the flat screen TV, and we use the radio all the time. Paul likes movies, so he often watches DVDs. We boondock a lot, and carry only a 1000 watt generator to top off the batteries, so I don't use the microwave very often. I absolutely love the SMEV stove. Coffee is ready so quickly in the morning, it cleans up so nice, and the countertop level glass lid when not the burners are not in use expands my workspace. I know you'll love your Oliver! We sure love ours. Sherry

We are going camping again tomorrow so I thought I would post these latest mods before we head out. We wanted a flashlight within easy reach from inside or outside the Oliver so we mounted one near the closet with some flashlight clips. http://oliver.hewus.com/Mods/Flashlight_Clips We also noticed that our trailer came with an automatic changeover propane regulator (very cool!) and saw that there was an optional remote propane changeover indicator available so that we can tell when a tank is empty. It came on a box that was much larger than we wanted to mount conspicuously so Andrew re-soldered the LED light to the other side of the circuit board and then mounted it inside one of the benches with only a hole big enough for the light to fit through. http://oliver.hewus.com/Mods/Remote_Pro ... _Indicator Lisa

BTW - Have you had any issues with your fridge running on propane at high altitude? Which fridge model do you have? > We have The Norcold 3 way and tend to run it on propane most of the time. I know that is an issue on some other forums, but we never turn it off, even when refuelimg. We seldom put it on 12 volts. It works ok on 12 volts, we just don't go there very much. If we are in a "built up" campground, we use the 110 volt and it does a super job. At 8,500 ft. of elevation, the fridge performs flawlessly. At 10,000 ft. however, it is "balky" on restart after the thermostat has been satisfied. With that in mind, we know that our visits to that elevation are few, and have sought no solution that might effect routine operations below the 10K mark. Instead we change how we operate a bit. Before going to bed for the night, we set the thermostat to it's highest point, knowing that it may not restart. In the morning we restart manually. The colder temps at 10K elevation aid in keeping things cold in the refrigerator. Four nights this trip have been below freezing and the manual restart, supplimented with occasional generator use to recharge batterys, and the refrigerator on 110 volt for that period each day was the easy out for us. We figure that there is a tech bulletin out there somewhere, that outlines an adjustment, or maybe a orfice change, that would "fix" the minor problem, but for us it is a minor and seldom occouring thing. However, if we were camping for extended periods above 10K, we would definitely look into a "fix".

The Oliver trailer comes with either two 20lb propane tanks, or you can upgrade to two 30lb tanks for some extra capacity. The nice thing about choosing 20lb propane tanks is that they are easy to swap out almost anywhere - even at many grocery or hardware stores. Because they are so commonly used for BBQ'ing, cylinder exchange stations are easy to find, and usually pretty cheap. The 30lb propane tank option however gives you a lot of extra capacity, and this can be particularly useful for running a generator converted to use propane fuel. (We are leaning towards a Honda EU2000i converted to use propane, or maybe the Yamaha 2400...) The downside of 30lb propane tanks though is that you can not swap tanks at a tank exchange station, and refueling stations for propane are often tough to find. So -- the idea struck me - why not have one of each, and get the best of both worlds? I talked to Daniel at the Oliver factory, and he thought this was a great idea and he is going to engineer a custom bracket to allow for the mismatched tank sizes. With this setup, the primary tank will be the smaller 20lb propane tank, and when it runs dry the regulator will automatically switch to the larger 30lb tank which will serve as the reserve. The small tank will be easy to swap out when necessary, and whenever we run across a propane filling station we will be able to take advantage of the opportunity and keep the larger reserve topped off. With this hybrid tank strategy, I will have all the convenience of the 20lb tank option, and nearly as much capacity as with the 30lb tank option. I am also hoping that the extra space above the 20lb tank will provide convenient storage for our freshwater hose too. - Chris

Let's pretend it's Christmas - here's part of my wish list for the next gen Oliver : No stripper pole 8' width, nominally 22' long Factory brackets for Equalizer hitch (or at least no obstructions to install one) Factory installed back up camera Optimized for a couple with island queen or option for full twins (30x80) Dual axle with Dexter never-lube hubs Minimum 2K net carrying capacity Provision for four golf cart batteries (T-145 size) on pull out rack(s) Dual bank battery switch (1/2/All/Off) with supporting wiring to battery rack Larger black tank (40 gallon minimum) with option for factory installed black flush and Sani-Con systems China toilet Larger gray tank (40 gallon minimum) 10 gallon DSI hot water 5.7GPM VSD smart water pump Best-in-class tank level monitors Racks and plumbing for 3 x 5 gallon propane vs. 2 x 7 - allows exchange anywhere Provision for 3kW true sine wave inverter/charger Provision for Honda 2000i generator (with propane conversion and remote start) Provision for solar panels Provision for DirecTV dish on roof plus supporting wiring Provision for cell booster antenna on roof plus supporting wiring Upgraded DC wiring throughout - more copper! Provision for Link2000 battery monitor or similar Suitable panel area for remote panels to manage electricals, tankage Stove - 3 burner with oven 8 cubic foot fridge/freezer Receiver hitch on rear bumper (for bike rack) Ladder to access all roof accessories LED lighting throughout rig to conserve battery power (including running lights) Fully enclosed underbelly, heated tanks, and upgraded insulation throughout Dual pane tinted glass windows Day-night shades throughout Two Fantastic fans (one in bath, one in main area) with hoods Ducted A/C with heat pump capability Upgraded electronics (AM/FM/CD/DVD/iPod/MP3/WMA/etc) with serious speakers and wiring Comfortable seating for two that points towards the standard TV location Good pantry space Good hanging locker space At least one good outside storage locker, ideally pass-through side to side (for skis, etc.) Alarm system to protect all this stuff OK, so maybe it'll need to be more like 40' long ... Stuart

Well, since a larger Oliver is in the preliminary stages how about if we provide some suggestions or items we would like to see included? Larger bed oriented front to back Front window or generally more windows More outside storage - maybe something like the new Bigfoot front mounted storage unit On board generator or something built-in to accommodate one Dual axles

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Mountainborn: When I got to the part in your story where there was a wound care specialist in camp I thought you were heading to reaching in the old tackle box and a needle and 2 ft of monofiliment fishing line later your lady was back in business -- no worse for wear. Being an AF retiree, I know that almost all handles are earned not by the strokes of wisdom we perform -- but those less than Einstein moments. Ed

Air conditioning is WAY too power intensive to be practical off of batteries. Even with a huge battery bank, by the time the trailer started to cool down the batteries would be dead. You really need a generator or shore power for air conditioning. Or... You can use a small water mister, and spray into the airflow from the ceiling fan. We used a "Misty Mate" that would run for 15m or so per fillup with water. In dry climates, the water instantly evaporates and can dramatically cool things down. Good luck staying cool, - Chris // http://www.technomadia.com

Thanks for the website. 25 pounds!!! My suitcase for a two week vacation could be suspended from that suction cup! Amazing! Still checking out the big box stores for locally available products... Had some fun organizing the kitchen and bath area with a few today. Pix in the next few days... I'm really happy with the kitchen results so far. Note.. Target is the one with the positive action, clamp down hooks we talked about earlier. In clear or white (cheaper, 2 for $1.99 in clear, which actually looks nicer against the shiny white of the Oliver (IMHO) than the gray/white 2 for $2.99 hooks....) Walmart has double hooks by Duck that seem to hold a lot... we'll see how they hold up on bumpy roads! Sher

We looked at generators at wisesales.com At the time, they offered free shipping on Honda and Yamaha generators... and really good prices. We wound up buying a never used Yamaha 3000 here in Florida from someone who had bought it from, coincidentally, Wise sales, who installed a whole-house generator system. We also bought a little Honda 1000i from Northern Tools for a very good price (and at the time, they offered price match if you found it cheaper elsewhere). We use the Honda 1000i when boondocking to top off batteries once or twice a day. It won't run the AC, but we can use the furnace, inverter for computer and cell phone chargers, water pump,fans, electronic ignition on the refrigerator, etc. (And Paul watches a DVD almost every night...) The 1000i is small, very quiet, and I can pick it up with one hand. I think it weighs less than 30 pounds, seems to run forever on a gallon of gas, and it fits under the ATV in the pickup bed, which the 3000 won't. The 3000 is very heavy, but powers everything. Sorry, can't give you info on the 2000 specifically. But, I think some people on the forum have 2000 or 2400's with smaller A/c units... I'm sure they'll read and chime in. Sherry PS Wise Sales had an ebay store, too. Might try there.

We went back to Hackberry again, although it is getting a bit warm during the day, we are going to have to either stay home and swim in the pool, bring more gas for the generator, run the AC and hide inside during the day or find another place to camp where it is cooler. The nights are beautiful though!

Hi, Those awesome little suction hooks are now available in the big box stores. I think we bought the ones for our daughter's dorm room in Wally World last fall... or maybe Target. They work the same way... open it up, pull the hook down, and the suction cup attaches like glue... but no glue. The one that mystifies me is the variety of hooks at the home depot that claims to hang with no mark. From small picture frames to big, towel size, you positions them, slide a little piece of paper out, and they stick with no suction cup or no hole or mark. And, they're supposedly reuseable/repositionable. Haven't tried one yet. Any experience with those? I'm thinking they might be good for pix and pot holders, etc. in the Oliver. Sherry

This might aught to have been put in the BOONDOCKING THREAD. Here is the story: > Sitting quietly around the smouldering campfire, we had been talking quietly about our good fortune, and how we might take advantage of it. Firewood was getting scarce in the area around the camp. We were making longer trips with arm loads of gathered wood. Almost grudgingly, I placed another stick in the fire ring, tomorrow would be a firewood gathering day for us. Our conversation lagged, as we quietly waited in the descending darkness. While we were waiting, we had been chatting softly about our opportunity to stay camped for another week. The walk up the hill for better cell service had been fruitful. Text messages came and went well, at the campsite, but voice communication was sketchy, unless we walked up the hill. We had recieved a reprieve. Breaking camp to make an appointment would not be necessary. The appointment had been re scheduled. Suddenly, our wait was over. He arrived. With a stealthy flutter of wings the majestic bird settled onto the dirt road near the camp. It was what we had been waiting for. Cranning his head sideways the large Whiporwill glanced our way before begining his evening dusting. I thought, "He's a bit nervous about Dillon". Dillon had sat up, staring at the bird with his most intent canine stare, his ears focused for the least sound. We sat quietly, moving little, watching the bird's every evening ritual. Later that week there would be two dusting in the road. After he flew away to start his melodious night songs, questing for a mate, our conversation continued. We were discussing ways to be able to stretch resources in order to stay another week. We were boondocking by the lakeside, with no electricity, water or sewer hookups. We had been there for long enough that supplies were running low. All of the DVD's for the late evenings, had been watched. We would both start a new book. Coffee was getting low, we would cut back to one cup each in the mornings. Clean clothes would require washing up a few items in a dish pan with lake water, heated over the campfire. Black and grey water tanks were ok. We had been bathing in the lake in the warmth of the afternoons, and walking a short distance to the vault type outhouse. Butcherknife would use the last of the flour to make biscuits. We had ran out of sliced bread today. The generator had been inactive because we had about four plus hours of sunlight daily, for the solar panels, where we were parked, the batterys were doing fine. The days had been mild and nights were cool. A gentle breeze prevailed, we hadn't even been using the fantastic fan. The NOAA weather radio's long range forcast was for rain late next week, about the time we would be ready to leave. Water. Drinking water, was the issue. Clorinated water for the final rinse after dish washing. Water for the coffee pot. Water for brushing teeth. Water for making sun tea. We had some in a six gallon can. But we had never used the trick little valve and hose setup that the guys out in the Oliver shop at Hohenwald had installed during our last visit. We would try it in the morning after breakfast. As the Whiporwill started his wonderful chanting off in the distance, we retired to the interior of our Ollie to start that new book, before going off to sleep. The door was latched back with the screen door closed for improved air circulation. Dillon the retired drug dog lay by the bed on a throw rug. With the windows open and a light breeze blowing off of the lake, we couldn't read for long before the reading lights were turned out. About to doze off, I whispered to Butcherknife, " was that another Whiporwill answering off in the distance ?", no answer, she was fast asleep. Here is a look at the water transfer valve and hose setup. It will pump water into the Oliver's fresh water tank, using the onboard pump that supplies water to the sink and both showers. Just flip the valves and put the hose out of the window to your container, and you are in business ! >

Angler, We tow our Oliver with both our car (Volvo XC90 SUV) and our Chevy Silverado half ton pickup. We added Hellwig air bags to our Silverado because we often carry our 800 pound ATV, loading ramp, and extra "stuff" (grilll, hiking gear,tools, gas cans, etc.) in the truck bed along with towing the Oliver. The airbags are adjustable, so when we run empty in the bed, we can let most of the air out, eliminating most of the slightly rougher empty ride. With an SUV, you may not need any extra suspension help. We haven't found it to be necessary with the Volvo SUV. Probably depends on what you put in the cargo area and if you put extra weight on the tongue. (We carry only a little 35 or 40 pound 1000 watt Honda generator in the truck bed to top off the batteries when we boon dock.) Paul bought the Hellwigs on line, and had our local mechanic install them on the Silverado. Airbags, just under $300.00. Local guy, about 75 or 85 dollars... it's a very simple installation, and doesn't require removing anything standard. Both our vehicles have factory tow packages (hitch, coolers, etc.). Hope this helps. Sherry

A lot of research went into the frame design. The backbone of the trailer is the use of a 2”x5” box aluminum with welded aluminum cross members. Towards the front area leading to the hitch is additional reinforcement with the 2”x5”as well. This creates a solid frame that resists flexing and encourages the trailer to track behind the tow vehicle. Then for even more strength the lower outer shell actually fits over the frame with channels designed into the mold. Fiberglass is very strong as many of you know. With these features it’s been the experience of most people that they do not require a sway control system or a load distribution devise. (The extendable tongue) With this said I must point out that many other factors such as the tow vehicle, how the trailer is loaded etc… factor in. At the plant I suggest to new owners that this is their decision, try it out and if it’s needed, then add them on. I think we all agree that safety must be 1st so do as you feel is best. I’ve loaded up some pictures at our Photobucket site under “frame” that will show you the difference in our frame and what's commonly used by some of the other trailer manufactures. http://s262.photobucket.com/albums/ii12 ... tee/Frame/

Hello Mountainborn, Good eye . . . yes, the dark spray on finish to the inside of my outer shell should be a ceramic insulation product called "LizardSkin". When I met with Jim Oliver, he told me of this great new cutting edge product they could apply to the interior of both fiberglass shells to reduce heat transfer as well as providing sound dampening. LizardSkin is used within the race care industry to stop heat transfer from the super-hot engine compartment from impairing the driver. It can be used in lieu of Thinsulate insulation. According to the LizardSkin manufacturer, the RV industry could benefit their customers through the use of this product: "Recreational Vehicle Manufacturers ... SSpray on LizardSkin® Ceramic Insulation is in the process of changing the way major OEMs insulate motorhomes to dramatically reduce heat and noise. The advantages of LizardSkin® include : easy spray on application, outstanding thermal and noise control properties, light weight, modest installed thickness (about 0.040”), low installed cost, environmentally friendly composition and Class A Fire rating. In addition, leading RV dealers are beginning to offer LizardSkin® Ceramic Insulation as a dealer-applied option on some new and pre-owned motorhomes. Fast clean up with soap & water helps make applying LizardSkin® Ceramic Insulation a hassle-free experience. LizardSkin® Ceramic Insulation coating is recommended for application on engine compartment firewalls, floorpans, transmission tunnels, inside engine covers, under roofs and headliners and wherever engine, exhaust or solar heat gain are potential problems. Coating the exterior roof on RV’s is a very effective way to stop solar heat gain." So the Wonder-Egg's layers, from outside - in will be; Fiberglass / LizardSkin / Dead Airspace / LizardSkin / Fiberglass. With my double paned windows, I should be comfy cozy year round . . . More on this new product can be found at: http://www.hotrodscustomstuff.com/PS-LizSkin.html Just one more example of how Oliver Travel Trailers is willing to think outside of the box to give us the finest trailer imaginable!

Doing anything special today ? One thing I always do is visit with mom and remember grandma. But for my sweetie, butcherknife . . . . . . . ... Today at work she recieves a popcorn box, all gathered up in pretty paper, containing a CD, an officer and a gentleman, candy snacks, flowers and a couple of movie passes to a premier event. He,he, yeh, it's a clue of sorts. . . . . But when she gets off of work, ( I am off today ), I will be sitting there with our Oliver. Her own private movie theatre, with surround sound. The dinette will be set with an ordered to go, favorite dinner, you know, the one she really likes. You see, she is my sweetie, even at the end of a work day when she is ready to sit down and put her feet up. Foot rub ? Huh, Sweetie ? Let's remember those that we love today, whether they are with us , or not.

RvBella, There is an a/c outlet above the stove-top in the galley that could be used for a toaster oven or any other small appliance you might bring along. As long as you're hooked up to shore power or you've got a generator going and don't exceed its wattage you should be able to do just about anything. The Fantastic Vent will whisk away the odors and smoke if you need it to.

Thank you both for the replys. Mountainborn Right now I am getting by with my work car and soon-to-be-wife's Equinox. I sold my truck last winter. I will probably hold off until after the wedding (June 29th) to buy another vehicle for me....saving $$ right now. I would love another Wrangler. It's been a few years since I gave up my last one. Over this past year I have been driving myself crazy debating what kind of trailer and tow vehicle I want. I have looked at everything from pop-ups to toy haulers. I had not even considered an "egg" type trailer until I stumbled across a thread by Rv-Bella on another fourm that lead me here. I was already falling in love with the trailer and then when I saw a picture of one hooked up to your Jeep I was totally hooked. I am just a little leary though after reading so many "weight police" threads on the other forum....seems many people think you can not pull any trailer with anything less than a 1-ton truck. I just may take you up on you offer when/if I do get another Jeep. Not sure what kind of drive I would be looking at from Indianapolis but I'm sure it would be well worth it. Pete Thank you for the tongue weight. Over the past week I have probably read every thread on this forum. I remember the one about the tongue but I'm going to read it again. You said 2nd notch. Is that all the way extended? I would eventually like to carry a Honda EU2000 generator on the tongue. The 400lbs scares me because the Wrangler's tongue weight is 350. Thanks again and sorry for such a long post. Rick