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13 hours ago, BackofBeyond said:

I was - attempting to use tech to do things way before it was feasible - try getting a commodore 64 to do some system control over the land lines -  long before there was a WWW. 

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11 hours ago, John E Davies said:

The Atlis (spelled with an "i") looks very cool, but as with so many startups looking for investors, we see many glowing promises and apparently wild claims, like a 15 minute charge time. How many of these will prove to be realistic? The specs do look pretty amazing....

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I agree these manufacturers tend to stretch the truth to hype the consumers. Real world stats are not released until after they are produced with disappointing results. Just like the 2020 Chevys claiming super increased tow ratings on the 1500 and 2500  I haven’t seen one on the lot yet to make this claim true.

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11 hours ago, mossemi said:

Was that at 300 baud?😃

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1 hour ago, Landrover said:

I agree these manufacturers tend to stretch the truth to hype the consumers. Real world stats are not released until after they are produced with disappointing results. Just like the 2020 Chevys claiming super increased tow ratings on the 1500 and 2500  I haven’t seen one on the lot yet to make this claim true.

At least GM actually builds a truck - currently Atlis is a hope and a prayer. Interesting platform, versatile, with a lot of PT Barnum.  If what they say is true, it would seem Elon would be doing it.... doesn't appear they have a proprietary technology, just some different engineering designs. There are 477 customers as of now - yet no actual operation, supply chain, and on, now this is early adoption...

Honestly, as much grief as I give Tesla, they could do what Atlis is proposing and have production going fairly quickly - once the tech is developed - the 15 min charge,,,,, perhaps their idea of plug/play and banking them at stations is the 15 min claim. That would entail a huge infrastructure spend. I wonder why the industry hasn't developed a standard and worked towards this goal - probably same reason my Makita tools won't accept my Dewalt batteries, nor will they fit my Bosh chargers...….. 

 

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I don't think that Atlis even have a prototype yet.  What they've released so far is just (very well made) renderings.  

I'm pretty sure that Ford holds the Atlas trademark for pickups, and I'm not sure that changing a vowel is going to get them around that.

The Rivian has serious backing from both Amazon and Ford.  It seems real.  

I like the Bollinger design, but I don't think they have backing either, and their $125,000 price point won't fly.  

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Rivian look like a truck, and apparently actually runs like a truck. A real prototype has been on tour, and is or was in South America doing offroad and bad road testing. Video of the engineer test driving in South America was really fun to watch. I was grinning along with her. https://stories.rivian.com/postcard-from-south-america

Rivian also recently secured additional funding from Cox automotive.  Amazon, Ford, and Cox probably can't all be wrong... https://ride.tech/electric-and-hybrid/electric-truck-maker-rivian-gets-350m-investment-from-cox/?gclid=CjwKCAiArJjvBRACEiwA-Wiqq3fPhuXBIm9jA0lpbZSb4XeY7LWfO2hZkRA6Lfpi9t7EXHrWd62ckhoCUHwQAvD_BwE

Atlis has a sizeable staff, a beautiful website, and still no prototype yet. They did test a small battery of their own design development,  3kwh, and proudly announced it was fully charged in 13 minutes, besting their 15 minute goal, which they think/ hope is scaleable.   https://insideevs.com/news/340388/atlis-pickup-truck-battery-charges-in-under-13-minutes/

3 kwh would power a Tesla x for about 8 to 12 miles, i think, dependent on speed, based on battery size vs published and real world range for the x. While Atlis is still looking for backing for development and yet another network  of superchargers, Space X will be launching its 19th delivery to the space station tomorrow, and Tesla's network of superchargers is in place and growing. 

I wish them well. But, a lot is still in just planning and digital mode for now. It takes a lot of money to launch a new vehicle. Still, the more new ideas, the better.

Thanks for bringing the Atlis to the discussion. 

 

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9 hours ago, BackofBeyond said:

3 turtles with arthritis to be more accurate. It was a caveman attempt looking back. 

But, we all had to start, somewhere. Back in the day, it was high tech.  3 turtles and all.

I remember our first office computer system. It wasn't really fast or great, but it was a step forward from typed carbon leafed invoices and cross posting/ cross filing.

Oh, and that first amazing Fujitsu 474 megabyte hardrive. Almost the  size of a dishwasher laid sideways, and only cost about 10k. 

Now, think about the computing power in our phones. It's astounding, isn't it?

 


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54 minutes ago, SeaDawg said:

Oh, and that first amazing Fujitsu 474 megabyte hardrive.

 

MEGAbytes?  Luxury. My high school job was working with an IBM 360. 


And I used to sneak into the accounting deptartment after work to write my English essays on their Apple III. 🙃

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Here's a good look at the probable towing range of the Tesla.  I like this guy's videos, and his numbers are usually fairly accurate when he tests them in the real world.  Without redoing his numbers, you have to interpolate between his Model X calculations and the Cybertruck's, since he's assuming a full 14,000lb trailer on the truck.  I would guess that the numbers would be closer to those of the Model X, but some amount higher.  So, towing at 60mph, maybe 100kw per 100 miles, or ~200 mile range?  I was hoping for something close to my Raptor, which is ~350 miles, which for us would be two charging stops per day maximum, since on longer days, we tow between 600 and 700 miles.  So if my tolerance for charging is two stops, then I would be limited to 600 miles with the Cybertruck and then only at the limit of efficiency, since that 200 mile range is probably optimistic.  Maybe 150 or 175 miles is a better place to set expectations, which would be a 3-stop day on longer stints.  Is that still O.K.?  For some, I'm sure - but probably not for us.  If we lived out west and were retired, so that we could take a more leisurely pace and didn't have to spend two full days on the road just to get anywhere worth seeing, then I'd probably be O.K. with the truck as it is.  But in our current situation, I think we need a good 300 miles of towing range at least before an EV would work for us as a tow vehicle.  

 

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I liked the title - Yes -- the fellow does a great job on the video. It is clear - the tech has a ways to go for most real world towing needs.  I'd wager a few $$ that within a few years we see a step change in the storage platforms - that's the current bottle neck in my mind.  Maybe not - but given where the industry is currently - build out the infrastructure,   bring down the cost, and improve the range/charge time - and EV hits mainstream with wide support. And us heavy duty TV folks can keep doing what we are doing - and drive the EV for everything else. 

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While we have owners all over the map in terms of how they travel, I’d venture to guess that the average travel day for a retiree is around 4 hours. At least, if I were retired, that’s the pace that I would take. And most probably tow at 60mph. If that were me right now, I’d give the truck some serious thought. Charge in the morning at breakfast and then again at lunch. 


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Yes, it will be interesting to see what the actual battery capacity and towing range will be in the Cybertruck. I'm not even going to try to rework his math. (Though even Steve's trailer doesn't weigh half of his example trailer, and mine is less than a third of the example weight. And, I can't honestly remember the last time we gained a net 5000 feet elevation in one hundred miles of driving, at an average of 75 mph , even with the Ram's hemi.) 

It would be quite nice if Tesla did some real world testing while towing with the Cybertruck, as they have done with the yet to be released Tesla semi, but the necessity isn't the same, when many pickups never or rarely tow a trailer, at all, or, just tow a utility trailer short distances for work. Semi purchasers will insist on meeting full load towing projections. Their livelihoods depend on it.

Some recent efficiency changes in Tesla motors have upped the range of the newer s and x by a small per centage, with the same battery .  I've heard some battery improvements are upcoming, as well. We'll see what we get in a couple years, when the pickup actually hits the road.

Overland,  I,  too, am hoping for a 300 to 350 mile range, with my little Ollie in tow,  though I'm not holding my breath.   

Even a 300 mile range towing would slow us down, when we're trying to put miles behind us. With the ram's big gas tank, even towing, we can travel at least 300 miles or so, or 4 to 4.5 hours on the interstate. If our coffee intake doesn't make us stop earlier. 😏  

As far as towing with a Tesla x, I was reminded of a video I saw of test drives in Australia,  from Penrith, (elevation 80 ft or so) outside Sydney, to Bathurst, via the great western highway, and back, via Bell's Line of road. Both beautiful roads, in the Blue Mountains.  Nothing approaching mile high, but plenty of mountain driving, with high points  of maybe 3000 ft. Or so. More real world. And, a bit over 100 miles. With a roughly 4000 lb trailer behind the Tesla x, it used about twice as much battety power than when driving  without the trailer.  Same as we've heard from most reports with the x.

Probably important to note a couple of other things. The test drivers reported great towing stability, and acceleration with the x. And, Australian speed limits wouldn't allow towing at 75 mph. 😏 The x arrived at bathurst with 12 per cent capacity left. A bit better on the return on the more windy and slower Bell's Line of Road. (Which is a beautiful road, by the way. We drove it in 2015, in a campervan.)

Full report https://www.carsguide.com.au/adventure/tesla-model-x-74243

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17 hours ago, Overland said:

While we have owners all over the map in terms of how they travel, I’d venture to guess that the average travel day for a retiree is around 4 hours. At least, if I were retired, that’s the pace that I would take. And most probably tow at 60mph. If that were me right now, I’d give the truck some serious thought. Charge in the morning at breakfast and then again at lunch. 

For us, retired, or not - (I am, she has summer free)  our usual MO is to get to where we are going- asap- and then explore from there. Living where we do - TN - our westerly trips mean use the interstates and such and just go - until we can't, stop, rest up, and go again till we reach the desired spot. 1000 mi days may not be the norm, but they have happened, 800 is a good - get there day..... And the other MO is to spend a great deal off the beaten path, taking the back roads and byways, to the next place - which often is not known until we discover it, or just stop at a decent (or not) spot on the path of our "general" direction.  And that is the main reason the EV doesn't work for us in the current state.

Towing at 60 mph - not on the big roads - 70 is the norm - if posted appropriately.  I have caught my spouse doing 80, ( ok. I'm guilty too) problem is -  the GMC/Oliver is as smooth at 80 as it is at 60.... fuel mileage is almost the same 60-70 range - 15mpg. And I realize some may be wary at anything above 60, I'm very comfortable here. Meals are predominantly on the go, or a short stop - the ollie is so versatile here.  I don't know how long a charge takes, but 20 min is about our mean stop time. Last long trip included many <300 mi days - so here the EV may have been fine.  Its just the lack of versatility overall in our use patterns  that preclude EV towing. 

I Enjoy these discussions, I always learn something. 

 

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