- March 8, 2019 at 7:45 am #162915
Thanks for the reply John!.
I did order the utility tray but will not plan to really load it down (you never can really have too much storage 🙂 . I will probably just use it to carry my Honda 2000 Gen. Ironically the Turbo Diesel is supposed to have less towing capacity than the 3.6 Liter Gasser.
The info about adjusting the Anderson hitch appreciated.
This is all probably just academic rhetoric since I most likely would not be able to take possession of a New Gladiator before I head down to Oliver to get the new vessel. I will let you know how it goes.
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1 user thanked author for this post.March 8, 2019 at 9:26 am #162926
John E DaviesParticipant@john-e-davies
The 3.0 diesel runs hot, that is a well known problem. If you had issues on steep desert grades on blistering hot days, that is easily corrected. …. https://www.haydenauto.com/Featured%20Products-Radiator%20Mist%20System/Content.aspx
Long ago I built a similar crude spray system using copper pipe and a windshield washer pump kit to cool an overworked hot-rodded 1984 Suburban 454 ci big block towing too much boat in the mountains. It actually helped to reduce vapor locking. The actual cure was regearing the rear axle…
OTH my 5.7 200 engine never gets too warm, and the trannie converter temp never spikes above 230 degrees. (Using an OBDII scan display.) Lack of cooling is simply not a worry for this engine. Especially if you have the tow package with 4.30 gears, your Tundra will pull your new toy without working hard.
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Gone: 2006 Ram 3500 QCSB 4wd, Cummins 5.9LApril 22, 2019 at 12:36 pm #168419
Since driving back from TN to MA I can say that I definitely concluded (as much a s I would love to get the Gladiator for many reasons)…there is no way I would want less truck than my 5.7 L V8 Tundra. I am glad I did not have a chance to hedge my bet before driving home.
States our Ollie II has been:April 22, 2019 at 9:02 pm #168491
In spite of Jeep pulling all the stops to get to “class leading” status with the Gladiator, I would not want to pull an Elite2 with one.
The Jeep is narrow and underpowered, an LE2 can easily weigh 6,000 lbs. and the bed of the Gladiator has most of it’s volume behind the rear axle. So the cargo in the bed is lifting the front end and making things worse.
The tow rating was partly achieved by doing everything they could think of to cool it. Meaning, there is no head room at all. Too bad they didn’t go with the early Gladiator front styling instead of insisting on the off-the-shelf Wrangler front end.
I have a 3.6 liter V6 Pentastar in my Rubicon, with 4.10 gears and a stick, and the numbers don’t seem to match the experience. It’s fine for slow 4 wheeling, but it strains on the highway in the mountains while just pulling itself around.
Why not get a Rebel with the Hemi? Lots of off-road equipment, wider for better stability, nearly the same length with the Quad cab, compared to the Crew cab only Gladiator, more power in a more durable engine and rated for more towing weight. The Power wagon is very nice too, but $10,000. more, worse mileage and a lot heavier. As far as width is concerned, the LE2 is almost exactly the same width as a full sized Ram. Anywhere the Ram will go, an LE2 will go. The wheels roll in nearly the same path. So, it’s easy to see around and it follows along nicely on back roads. Mid sized trucks are narrower, but you are still limited to where the trailer will fit.
John 2015 LE2 hull 92 Ram 3500 diesel 4X4April 23, 2019 at 7:41 am #168509
Owing a 2017 Jeep Willys for a toy, I would never consider a Jeep Wrangler, or Gladiator as a tow vehicle. It would be nice to have a Jeep to run around to and from the campsite, but that’s about it. Hooked behind a diesel pusher Jeeps look great.
Elite II, Twin Bed, Hull #489, 2019 RAM 1500, 5.7 Hemi, 4X4, Crew Cab, 5'7" bed, Towing Package, 3.92 Gears.May 21, 2019 at 10:08 am #171742
Here’s the Ike Gauntlet test of the Gladiator. I’d say that Jeep was a bit optimistic on the tow rating, at least for the gas version. Seems like a 5,000lb truck, not 7,000. 7,650lbs is no more than a marketing department dream.
Probably a good choice for an Elite, but not an Elite II.
I’m sure that the diesel model with a real tow/haul mode will be better (if it doesn’t overheat). But to me the truck looked a bit squirrelly, especially under braking, even though they said it drove well.
Snowball • LE2 256 • 2018 Ford RaptorMay 22, 2019 at 6:30 am #171799
I’ve watched many of the TFLTruck videos and I really like there road test on the ike Gauntlet. OK, I watched the video on the Gladiator and it preformed as I thought it would, this trailer is too heavy for towing with a Gladiator. Now a trailer like a Casita will probably be ok, maybe even the Elite trailer will work, but the Elite II I would think not. I can understand why owners of Jeep Wranglers and Gladiators would want to be able to pull there travel trailer camping, they now have an excellent vehicle for off-roading to play with when they get to there camp site. Being a 2017 Wrangler owner and maybe someday a Gladiator I like it, but not for towing.
Elite II, Twin Bed, Hull #489, 2019 RAM 1500, 5.7 Hemi, 4X4, Crew Cab, 5'7" bed, Towing Package, 3.92 Gears.May 22, 2019 at 6:39 am #171800
I’m a bit surprised, since I had originally assumed that the Gladiator would be a Ram with a Jeep-like body and maybe a different 4wd system. But it’s really more like a longer Wrangler.
For an offroad truck I still like my raptor. It’s not the best at anything it does but it’s a good compromise, at least for me.
Snowball • LE2 256 • 2018 Ford RaptorMay 22, 2019 at 7:42 am #171812
The Gladiator is a disappointment for me too. I was hoping for a real truck instead of an adapted Wrangler.
As far as towing, more specifically, the Gladiator has a lot of rear overhang and a very light engine. The cooling system is barely up to the minimum as dictated by the Wrangler front end. Towing over 7500 lbs would not be what I consider safe. The Wrangler Unlimited four door is only rated for 3500 lbs and is nearly the same vehicle, with the exception of slightly heavier rear suspension and a pickup bed.
Best to consider the Gladiator a Wrangler with a bed, instead of a truck for towing. As far as the engine is concerned, in order to get it to do anything near what is seems it should, according to the numbers, you have to rev it way up and put up with all of the inherent V6 “character”. It’s fine for off roading, but not fine for towing.
John 2015 LE2 hull 92 Ram 3500 diesel 4X4May 24, 2019 at 6:51 am #172105
For those who thought the Gladiator would be the answer to a Ram mid-size truck, I think you miss-understood the Jeep way of thinking, It’s a Jeep Wrangler with a box on the back, was never intended to be a pickup as we think of pickups. Owing a 2017 Jeep Wrangler and being on the Wrangler Forum that’s the way Jeep owner look at it, for them it’s just a way to carry more stuff off-road that they can’t get it into a 2/4 door Wrangler. For those who want a Ram mid-size pickup I have read that this is in the development process, will it be called a Dakota or something else, who knows. Since this mid-size trucks are doing well in sales I would think they better get it to the assembly line soon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP0hBE1z97k
Elite II, Twin Bed, Hull #489, 2019 RAM 1500, 5.7 Hemi, 4X4, Crew Cab, 5'7" bed, Towing Package, 3.92 Gears.
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