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  • #71095
    ccarole
    ccarole
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    Hi,

    My trailer has been unplugged and under cover for a few months. Went to check it out recently and the Blue Sky monitor numbers were all blank. So just plugged in the trailer for a few days and went back today. The Blue Sky monitor still registers blank. The tank monitor registers battery at 13.0 (unplugged) and 13.2 (plugged in).

    Previously they did appear normal as far as I could tell as  it did have numbers registering.

    Is my battery charged?? Any idea what’s going on?  This thing is completely beyond me. I read through some posts but I can’t get a comprehension of this thing.

    Here are some pictures of the monit0rs today.

     

    Carole ....and a couple of Malinois

    2016 Legacy Elite II #175

    2016 Ram 2500 6.4 HD 4x4

     

    #71110
    Try2Relax
    Try2Relax
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    From my understanding, the blue sky requires a few days of solar activity and use activity to get its reference bearing. After that it should all indicate correctly.

    The only concern would be if you depleted your batteries too much and then I believe you would notice it in that they wouldn’t hold a charge for as long a period as they used to.

    Randy

    One Life Live It Enjoyably

    2017 F350 6.7L SRW CC LB

    2015 Oliver Elite II Hull #69

    #71122
    ccarole
    ccarole
    Participant

    I’ll be pulling Ollie out to live in the sun for awhile next week. Hopefully it resets as you suggested. That would be great!

    The battery drain and not holding charge thing….. BOOO!!

    Thanks Randy!!

    Carole ....and a couple of Malinois

    2016 Legacy Elite II #175

    2016 Ram 2500 6.4 HD 4x4

     

    #71137
    geokeg
    geokeg
    Participant

    CCarole,

    Let us know what you are seeing on the Blue Sky display after a day or two out in the sun.  Your system may have an installation problem with the Blue Sky controller that prevents the solar system from charging the batteries.  We were at the factory tour with you and picked up our trailer the same day as you.  Our controller had a wiring issue that caused failure of the unit.  It took some coordination with Jason at Oliver and the Blue Sky technical rep. but with a new controller and repositioning the terminal connectors our system has been operating just fine since and we are quite pleased with it.

    On the second page of the Introduce Yourself  topic listing is the Blue Sky Tech Support contact info. which might be worth looking at.  If Ryan is still their tech guy he was very helpful with our resolution.

     

    George and Gretchen

    Gig Harbor, Wa.

    Hull Number 178

    #71140
    ccarole
    ccarole
    Participant

    Hi George!

    Thank you.  I hope there’s nothing wrong with it. …that’s why I drove all the way out to TN to pick it up……to avoid that kind of thing. They forgot to install things and other things were installed wrong. It’s been a bit frustrating and is the reason why my trailer has been in storage. I got so disgusted with the problems that I couldn’t get resolved…. that I just had to put it away.

    But – I’ll hope getting it into sun fixes it. :-/

    Thank you for the info on how to contact the Blue Sky rep.  I sure hope I don’t have to drive back to TN to get it fixed — well I could always have them fix my Anderson Hitch too while I’m there!  :-O

    Hopefully,

    Carole

     

     

    Carole ....and a couple of Malinois

    2016 Legacy Elite II #175

    2016 Ram 2500 6.4 HD 4x4

     

    #71146
    ScubaRx
    ScubaRx
    Moderator

    Hi, My trailer has been unplugged and under cover for a few months. Went to check it out recently and the Blue Sky monitor numbers were all blank. So just plugged in the trailer for a few days and went back today. The Blue Sky monitor still registers blank. The tank monitor registers battery at 13.0 (unplugged) and 13.2 (plugged in). Previously they did appear normal as far as I could tell as it did have numbers registering. Is my battery charged?? Any idea what’s going on? This thing is completely beyond me. I read through some posts but I can’t get a comprehension of this thing. Here are some pictures of the monit0rs today.

    If your trailer has been sitting for “a few months” with no power input your batteries were probably dead. You state you plugged it in and is now reading 13.x volts so apparently you lucked out and they came back to life. Just the normal parasitic drains in the trailer would draw over 5 amps a day from your batteries. You don’t say which batteries you have but they also have an additional monthly self discharge rate of up to 12%. Every time the batteries get depleted they loose some ability to recover. Several depletions will ruin them so you should never leave the trailer without a power source be it plugged in or out in the sun. If you have to store it covered and without access to 110VAC you should unhook the batteries to prevent them from draining so fast, though they will still go flat over time – NOT GOOD.

    The IPN-Pro is only reporting what it knows.  In order for it to accurately report amps going into the batteries from your converter, the negative wire coming out of the converter MUST go directly to the shunt and then from the shunt back to the grounding bus bar located under the rear most dinette seat. If you look inside that area you will see that the negative (yellow) wire coming out of the back of the converter is connected directly to the bus bar thus bypassing the shunt. The converter in your trailer was not wired correctly to be able to interact with the IPN-Pro (all of the trailers at that time were wired this way.) So all the amps going into your battery via the converter after you plugged it in were not registered by the IPN-Pro and it thinks they are dead.

    There is nothing wrong with the IPN-Pro, so pull the trailer into full sun and the meter will reset itself in no more than a day, probably just a few hours since your batteries are back up to charge.

    I can help you fix the wiring issue if you wish.

    Steve, Tali and the dogs: Reacher and Lucy plus our beloved Storm and Maggie (both waiting at the Rainbow Bridge)

    2008 Legacy Elite I - Outlaw Oliver, HULL NUMBER: 0026

    2014 Legacy Elite II - Outlaw Oliver, HULL NUMBER: 0050

    2017 Silverado High Country 2500HD Diesel 4x4

    Not all those who wander are lost,

    And the road goes ever on...

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    #71152
    dharmardr
    dharmardr
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    Thank you Steve.

    I parked my Oliver in the shade earlier this summer ( to protect the finish) and left it plugged in for much of the time. After unplugging it for about two weeks with everything turned off, the batteries were down to 84%. Lesson learned about parasitic draw on the batteries.

    Thank you for your input.

    Grayson and Ann Cook

    Northwest CT and Mid Coast Maine

    2016 Oliver Elite II, Twin Bed FP

    Toyota Tundra, Extra Cab, Long bed, 5.7 V8

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    #71170
    ccarole
    ccarole
    Participant

    ScubaRx,

    Wow thank you so much for the explanation. Dead battery information – good stuff. The older I get the less I know. Lol!

    It sounds like I may have lucked out. When I get the trailer here in my drive I will be able to tinker around with it more. I may take up your offer to fix the wiring issue then.

    I have the Trojan AGM batteries.  I will be taking better care of them from now on!

    Thank you !!

    Carole

    Carole ....and a couple of Malinois

    2016 Legacy Elite II #175

    2016 Ram 2500 6.4 HD 4x4

     

    #71173
    geokeg
    geokeg
    Participant

    Carole,

    On page 4 of the mechanical tricks and tips is the 4 page string of my Blue Sky troubleshooting and resolution experience for Hull number 178. Lots of technical info. there and on the last page a picture of the simple solution to the wiring installation problem.  If it gets to looking like your controller is non functional I have pictures of the controller internals that I sent to Blue Sky for their assesment and recomendation.  We have the same batteries as you so there should be similarity in system performance.  The pictures of the Blue Sky display will be helpful when you get the trailer out in the sun.

    George

     

    George and Gretchen

    Gig Harbor, Wa.

    Hull Number 178

    #71176
    routlaw
    routlaw
    Participant

    If your trailer has been sitting for “a few months” with no power input your batteries were probably dead.  

    Steve with all due respect this is not exactly correct. We have been storing our Oliver every winter since picking it up in a RV storage faculty with no electricity to plug in. The solar is turned off, and the master switch next to the Blu Sky is also off so that there is NO parasitic drain. I will go out about once every other month during our long winters to check the battery voltage, measured at the battery compartment and the lowest they have been after a long Montana winter is only 12.8 volts ± a fraction. Effectively we do have the capability to turn off all parasitic drains to the battery without doing any harm.

    However I do agree that once the solar package has a day or two to “reset” itself all of the needed information will display. We’ve gone through this several times now ourselves after taking the camper out of storage.

    Hope this helps.

    Rob

    #71251
    ScubaRx
    ScubaRx
    Moderator

    If your trailer has been sitting for “a few months” with no power input your batteries were probably dead.

    Steve with all due respect this is not exactly correct. We have been storing our Oliver every winter since picking it up in a RV storage faculty with no electricity to plug in. The solar is turned off, and the master switch next to the Blu Sky is also off so that there is NO parasitic drain….

    Thanks Rob.  You are correct, of course, and I was not very clear the way I worded that sentence. What I should have said was: If your trailer has been sitting for “a few months” with no power input to your batteries and they are still connected to the trailer, due to all the parasitic draws, they were probably dead.

    Short of disconnecting them, I have no way to isolate our batteries. In our trailer, with all the miscellaneous idiot LED’s that are always on, CO detector, refrigerator board, etc. I have a phantom draw of 0.4 amps/hour.  That’s a little over 9 amps/24 hours. Left alone with no voltage input, I would be at 50% battery in less than 3 weeks.

    Of course, with you wisely removing your parasitic draws, you avoid that plight.

    Steve, Tali and the dogs: Reacher and Lucy plus our beloved Storm and Maggie (both waiting at the Rainbow Bridge)

    2008 Legacy Elite I - Outlaw Oliver, HULL NUMBER: 0026

    2014 Legacy Elite II - Outlaw Oliver, HULL NUMBER: 0050

    2017 Silverado High Country 2500HD Diesel 4x4

    Not all those who wander are lost,

    And the road goes ever on...

    Seeing America in our Outlaw Oliver(s) since 2008...

    #71368
    ccarole
    ccarole
    Participant

    Thank you George and Rob. Your thoughtful input is greatly appreciated. I’m very happy to know that I don’t have a problem with my Blue Sky – just a matter of my mismanagement. 🙂

    I had actually considered and looked at all those lights indicating parasitic draws on my battery when I first parked into my storage unit. My unit unfortunately  had problems at my plug in. I did all kinds of backbends trying to get them to fix it – and even after they fixed it the box would trip randomly (wasn’t me didn’t have anything extra turned on in the trailer).  Somewhere along the way I forgot about the draws – unplugged the trailer and walked away for awhile. My frustrations blinded me. :-/

    George, I will seek out and digest the info you have on Blue Sky trouble shooting on the form this weekend. So great for you to share all that. I look forward to understanding my Blue Sky.  🙂

    Carole

    Carole ....and a couple of Malinois

    2016 Legacy Elite II #175

    2016 Ram 2500 6.4 HD 4x4

     

    #71392
    routlaw
    routlaw
    Participant

    Just for clarity and for anyone else stumbling into this issue and conversation allow me to explain how one cuts off all power to all devices so there is no parasitic drain.

    On the street side of the camper in the storage area below that side of the bed (king for us) where the Blu Sky controller is mounted for those with the solar system there exist one large red switch that turns the Blue Sky off, but there are also two rather unusual circuit breaker switches, one for the solar controller and the other for the entire electrical system. Our Oliver is in storage several miles out of town otherwise I would provide a quick and dirty photo for those interested. Anyway the circuit breaker to the far right is the one that turns off all electricity flowing from the batteries thus preventing any parasitic drain.

    Just in case there is confusion on how these breakers work, given their unusual nature each of those should have a smallish push button mounted to the top, one is yellow the other red. Once that button is pushed a lever underneath swings out approximately 30 degrees or so while cutting off the respective circuit. The circuit it turned back on by pushing the lever back to its original position. Presumably those without solar power would have only one of these circuit breakers.

    Hopefully this will be helpful to prevent any major battery drains in the future.

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    #71407
    KarenLukens
    KarenLukens
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    Just for clarity and for anyone else stumbling into this issue and conversation allow me to explain how one cuts off all power to all devices so there is no parasitic drain. On the street side of the camper in the storage area below that side of the bed (king for us) where the Blu Sky controller is mounted for those with the solar system there exist one large red switch that turns the Blue Sky off, but there are also two rather unusual circuit breaker switches, one for the solar controller and the other for the entire electrical system. Our Oliver is in storage several miles out of town otherwise I would provide a quick and dirty photo for those interested. Anyway the circuit breaker to the far right is the one that turns off all electricity flowing from the batteries thus preventing any parasitic drain. Just in case there is confusion on how these breakers work, given their unusual nature each of those should have a smallish push button mounted to the top, one is yellow the other red. Once that button is pushed a lever underneath swings out approximately 30 degrees or so while cutting off the respective circuit. The circuit it turned back on by pushing the lever back to its original position. Presumably those without solar power would have only one of these circuit breakers. Hopefully this will be helpful to prevent any major battery drains in the future.

    Then it changes for the 2017 models with the Zamp Solar and only has the one switch under the street side bed again, but only for the 12vdc. The only way to disconnect the Zamp Solar itself is to unhook the negative ground cable from the battery… The Zamp is a much cheaper system, not to be considered top of the line.

    Reed

    Happy Camping,

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    Reed & Karen Lukens with Riffles our Miniature Poodle

    2017 Oliver Legacy Elite II  Standard, Hull #200 / 2017 Silverado High Country 1500 Short Bed 4x4

    Past TV - 2012 Mercedes-Benz ML350 4Matic BlueTEC Diesel

     

    #71434
    routlaw
    routlaw
    Participant

    Thanks I had not realized Oliver had abandoned the Blue Sky system of solar charging. Wonder what they were thinking with that move?

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