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- September 11, 2016 at 4:56 am #39049
- Curious? Yesterday I returned from weighing my Ollie at the CAT scales. He weighed in at 5420lbs.
I understand the Elite II specifications listed on the Oliver website includes the following: GVWR = 7000lbs, Dry Weight = 4600lbs and Tongue Weight = 420lbs. I also understand when options are added the Dry Weight needs to be adjusted. That is why each custom built Ollie has the weight recorded prior to delivery. This information is placed on a label affixed to the entrance door jam.
I then examined the trailer for the label which might give me the dry weight at the time when the VIN number is assigned. I located two labels. The yellow label would seem to indicate a dry weight of 5198lbs (7000 minus 1802lbs).
Am I understanding this correctly?
I know I have a few heavy options; AGM batteries, second awning, solar, etc. I guess I have approximately 600lbs worth of options. Boy they add up!
BuzzySeptember 11, 2016 at 7:38 am #39055
Yup. You got it right. There are a lot of other trailers that have virtually nothing left after their dry weight, 1800lbs is pretty good
I’ll also add, that is another example of a top notch manufacturer, most everything else is manufactured and labeled with a stock dry weight based on the model and many have found that real world weight is heavier because of options or design changes and their carrying ability is drastically reduced. Oliver weighs each unit after it’s built so the sticker is accurate.
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1 user thanked author for this post.September 11, 2016 at 8:19 am #39057
I am fine with a dry weight of 1800lbs. My Ollie is equipped for my type of camping and it serves me well. I am also fine with my recent weight of 5420lbs from my CAT scale visit. I prefer to dry camp and I cannot always depend on finding a fresh water source convenient to my campsite. I also cannot depend on a convenient dump station. As a result, I carry water in the fresh water tank to my campsite and haul sewerage in my black and grey tanks to my waste water treatment facility near home. It works for me, but may not be typical of the way most owners camp. With that style of camping in mind, understanding my weights is valuable to me.
Where I am brand new to RVing and owning a travel trailer, bouncing my ideas off other owners as a “reality check” is even more valuable!
BuzzySeptember 11, 2016 at 9:38 am #39063
Work hard to keep our Ollie under 5,000 pounds. We carry some camping gear in the back seat area of the Tundra with rear seats folded up. Use the pickup bed for bicycles or small motorcycle and have a rack coming for transporting Kayaks over cab/pickup bed areas.
Checked the VIN load capacity (from Oliver) and it’s 2140 pounds. Ollie GVW 7000lbs – 2140lbs = empty Ollie weighed in at 4860 pounds at the factory with options installed.
Scale results at local landfill:
Ollie axles weighed while connected to previous TV scale results: 4520 pounds
4940 pounds Ollie weight, gear in camper ready to camp with empty water tanks
Ollie weight 4940lbs – 4520lbs axles weight = 420 pounds Tongue weight. Tundra manual recommends 9 to 11% of trailer weight as tongue weight.
LE2 TundraSeptember 11, 2016 at 9:45 am #39064
Excellent metrics. You can carry a whole lot of beer and bacon! Great job!
1 user thanked author for this post.September 11, 2016 at 11:07 am #39067
These are great numbers to know. I hope more owners post up. Thanks for starting the thread, Buzzy.
I’m curious why Oliver is assuming 38.5 gallons of water. I guess they’re adding in the capacity of the standard water heater? Would adding the Truma option save you 50lbs?
I assume too that there is some variation in the hull weight since it’s laid up by hand; i.e., some hulls will end up being a bit thicker or thinner than others.
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1 user thanked author for this post.September 11, 2016 at 12:43 pm #39069
I would guess there is variation within the weight of the fiberglass among the Ollie trailers being hand built. The reason I say that is from my experience importing two hand built fiberglass kayaks. Each kayak was weighed once it arrived in the US. One was lighter than expected and one was heavier. I found that information was critical to know since I would be running them up onto rocks and barnacles.
Another interesting note has to do with color selection in the hand built kayaks. The heaviest color is always white. White is frequently chosen for the hull and deck since it “hides” scratches. But white always adds weight. The kayakers who do not want excess weight and do not mind scratches showing will choose black over black. A menacing combination indeed! Maybe someday we might see a color other than white in the interest of lighter weight!
Yes, I chose the Truma hot water so I could add 50 additional pounds of bacon to my fridge! Now that is a man who understands his priorities!
BuzzySeptember 11, 2016 at 3:50 pm #39071
Buzzy, did you have your water tanks filled when you weighed? If so, then something is off because you only weighed in at 222lbs over your dry weight. You’d have at least 270lbs worth of water on board if you had fully filled your water tank.
Also, I read on FiberglassRV.com that there was some confusion on how Oliver dealt with the propane tanks when determining dry weight. I believe someone was told by Oliver that the dry weight included full tanks. I’d think that they’d weigh with the tanks in place, but empty.
Snowball • LE2 256 • 2018 Ford RaptorSeptember 11, 2016 at 4:09 pm #39072
Here’s our Option list:
Our Elite II has optional fiber granite counter tops, exterior LP gas connection, reading lights, thicker than standard memory foam mattresses, and Winegard ROADSTAR Omni-Directional Antenna (RS-3000) weighing in at 4860 pounds before owner pick up at the factory.
If I see Tommy in service this week at the Ollie rally, will ask about LP Gas/Hot Water tanks if full or empty, during Ollie final weighing.
1 user thanked author for this post.September 11, 2016 at 4:16 pm #39073
A few months ago, I looked up the weights of some of the options. They might be useful for someone else in the planning stage:
- Extra Awning – 81 lbs
- Solar Panels – 58 lbs – this is for two 160W panels only (random manufacturer) so there’s also wiring, mounts, charge controller, etc.
- A/C delete – 104 lbs
- AGM Batteries – 272 lbs
- Wet Cell Batteries – 248 lbs
- Inverter – 11 lbs
- 30 lb Propane Tanks – 11.2 lbs (plus 20 extra lbs of propane)
- Winegard Roadtrip – 18.5 lbs
- Winegard Roadstar – 2.7 lbs
- Composting Toilet – 5 lbs plus composting material (relative to the standard toilet)
A few things that I’ve considered for weight savings, apart from the A/C delete listed above –
Aluminum propane tanks can save you a little weight – 11.4 lbs for two 20 lb tanks and 14.8 for two 30 lb tanks, each relative to steel of each size. (The 30 lb aluminum tanks are actually 33.3 lbs – I wasn’t able to find 30 lb tanks.) In fact, an aluminum 33.3 lb tank is a couple of pounds lighter than a steel 20 lb tank. You could also get 10 lb aluminum tanks, which would save 19.4 lbs over the 20 lb steel tanks, plus the weight of the propane, but in that case, you’d probably be better off just carrying a single 20 lb tank. Carrying a single 20 lb aluminum tank would save you 25.5 lbs in tank weight alone, plus 20 lbs of propane. And 80% or so of that weight would come directly off your hitch.
I’ve considered using two Exped Megamats in place of the standard mattresses. These are only 5.6 lbs each, but I don’t know how that compares to what Oliver uses. They’re just about the right size, but I don’t know how they’d work with the curved corner. http://www.exped.com/usa/en/product-category/mats/megamat-10-lxw
LiFePo batteries. This would save a substantial amount, but at an even more substantial price. Probably about 100 lbs of weight saved, though.
We’ll also delete the TV and microwave which should shed a few lbs.
Apart from that, I can’t really think of much to shed weight. And at the end of the day, I’m not sure how worth the effort it would be since the trailers seem to handle quite well regardless of weight.
Snowball • LE2 256 • 2018 Ford RaptorSeptember 11, 2016 at 4:17 pm #39074
Yes, I filled my fresh water tank to overflowing, 32.5 gallons. You are correct, that would add 270 lbs to the dry weight. One of my 30lbs tanks of propane was half full and I added a variety of camping and cooking gear to the cabin. I would guess I net out at approximately 100lbs in addition to the water weight.
If we assume the dry weight obtained by Oliver of 5198 is correct. And I added at least 370lbs of water and gear for a total of at least 5568. The total at the CAT scale of 5420 must be trailer axle weight and not a complete weight of the trailer. The CAT scales is a very busy place with many 18 wheeler guys trying to make a living, so I would not be able to disconnect the trailer from the TV to replicate what OTT probably performed.
I do not know enough about whether or not some of the tongue weight in my case was recorded in the drive axle weight of 3340lbs or the steer axle weight of 3100lbs.
I would tend to believe my Ollie is heavier than 5420lbs. It is probably closer to 5560 is my guess.
1 user thanked author for this post.September 11, 2016 at 6:21 pm #39075
I suspect it’s even heavier. In the other thread, you gave a loaded weight of your truck alone of 5960. Adding the axle weights of your truck together on your two trips to the scales, I get 6460 on the first trip and 6440 on the second. Subtracting the 5960 to each would indicate a tongue weight of 500 on the first trip and 480 on the second. Adding that to the two trailer axle weights of 5400 and 5420 respectively I get a total trailer weight of 5900 lbs on each trip.
That would indicate that you’re carrying around 700 lbs worth of water, propane and gear – say 270 lbs of water, 60 lbs of propane, 100 lbs of gear, and 270 lbs of bacon.
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1 user thanked author for this post.September 11, 2016 at 9:27 pm #39076
We are currently on the road but before we left home I weighed the truck and trailer together. At the time we had virtually no water and only about a half tank of gas. Total combined weight was 16,300 lb. Tali says I need to lose some weight.
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2 users thanked author for this post.September 12, 2016 at 3:18 am #39078
Overland, thank you for reviewing the data I collected and calculating the trailer weight. I see this information helpful in determining, as Randy stated, any weak links in the equation. Although weighing the rig multiple times has value, it does require time and effort.
For me, this thread has raised several possible conclusions:
1. As a group of owners, we may have a tendency to underestimate the weight of our trailers with options and/or our gear.
2. We may not routinely weight our rigs to understand how weight is being distributed.
3. If we do not understand how weight is being distributed, we may not know if there is a weak link in our configuration.
4. Although this analysis is not “rocket science”, it is not as much fun as camping and grilling up some bacon!
Knowing the human tendency to avoid this type of work, I would encourage Ollie Rallies to consider educational sessions to help owners learn more about weighing their rigs, understanding weight distribution hitches, implementing tire pressure monitoring systems, etc.
To our community of owners and prospective owners, any thoughts?
BuzzySeptember 12, 2016 at 3:29 am #39079
Wow! 16,300lbs! Wow! That is a lot of bacon!!
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