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- November 22, 2008 at 12:15 am #12025
I just have to have a manual in my hands. I would like permission to compile a manual of all the fabulous discussions concerning the different topics – suction cups, batteries, solar panels, windows, etc. There are so many helpful contributions that I envision printing the discussion for each topic and alphabetizing the manual so that when a person wants to know about something all the person has to do is turn to the keyword. Because it would be looseleaf, updates could always be made. There are just many wonderful, helpful discussions that I want to be able to turn to wherever instead of hunting online. All discussion, contributions, etc to this topic is appreciated. jam49
Still waiting! Spring break hurry up! Maybe the understorage will be available before the Oliver construction crew begins mine. jam49November 22, 2008 at 2:48 pm #15656
First of all, I love the idea. Being of the old school, I love to have something in my hands rather than always looking at a screen. Still, having information on the computer has many advantages as well. Searching, indexing, reorganizing, etc. So, I often search back through the forums to find something I remember and then print it.
If you are thinking of this for your personal use, I would think you could do as you please.
If, as I hope, you are thinking of this as something you would share, as you say, looseleaf pages can be inserted, etc., but with an online master, each person could decide whatever amount they choose to print. In other words, my first thought would be to have an online master and let others print whatever they want. I’m assuming you were thinking of this as a shared manual? I think Technomadia and others may have good ideas about how best to manage something like this. As you have suggested, I think it would be a courtesy to get permission of the contributors to do minor editing, cut and paste relevant sections, for example.
Certainly, the reorganization of the forum has helped a lot in terms of knowing where to start. You are also, correct that there is a wealth of really good ideas shared here. I feel so lucky that there are some really knowledgeable people who are so generous with their ideas and their time.
TomNovember 22, 2008 at 3:36 pm #15657
Great discussion you guys ! Sounds like we might need a new sub forum for MANUALS, DOCCUMENTS & DIAGRAMS.
That could be used as an on line master catalog, with each owner printing as needed.
Our member Steve, SCUBARX, might have an intrest in that also. He is a whiz at spread sheets, ect. ect..
I would rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on earth 08' Oliver Legacy Elite HULL NUMBER 0003(sold)November 24, 2008 at 4:18 am #15667
Tom and Meanderthal,
Thanks for the thoughts! Yes I do have sharing in mind. I love the idea of an online manual but that is way over my head. I know it will take a while to put this paper manual together. Maybe after I get it organized the way I envision, somebody who is tech savy can help me post an online manual so those persons reading it can print only what is of interest to him/her. I hope this manual will become useful to anybody who reads it. When I started on my journey of exploring Oliver Travel Trailers, I had so many questions (still have some). I think a manual such as this could help all of us looking for discussions on a particular topic. I love using the computer to explore. It has been very useful and I can get answers a whole lot faster.
I don’t even know how to have the text move over so that I can retype something! What I want to say is that me putting the manual online is way over my head. I have already started putting the manual together.
Even though my Oliver hasn’t been born yet its name is REVILO 5. Thanks and I welcome any comments, suggestions, criticism, etc. JAM49November 24, 2008 at 2:29 pm #15669
Let’s keep talking about this for two or three more days and see what we come up with.
I think some of the other folks will chime in with good ideas.
I really think having something computerized is the way to go – I’m just not sure about the best way to do this. After thinking about this a little more, I’m inclined to think that Mountainborn may have the best idea; i.e. use the forum some way. If we move to another vehicle, I think there is less chance that it will be used and kept updated.
My meandering thoughts at the moment are these. I like the way the forums work right now. Someone asks a questions, others respond, there’s bantering and nonsense, good information and fun are exchanged. Or someone happens on a new idea, shares it, others give their thoughts,etc. We don’t want to change any of this. So, I think we do not want to have a "manual forum" where people post and there is no banter. But the manual should not have all the banter and off topic exchanges. The best I can come up with is something like Larry suggested. Maybe have a "read only" forum where we don’t post directly, but where we move posts that are clearly "manual" material. Ideally, there would be periodic culling of out of date articles.Hopefully there would be some way to do this??? Does this make sense?
If so, and if Larry or someone could help us get this set up, I would be willing to work with you to try to get it off the ground. If you could take the lead on locating the articles, suggesting the topic headings, etc, much like you must be doing with the manual you are thinking about, I would work, along with others maybe, to take care of the copying of posts, etc.
Or if there is a better idea put forward, I will help you with that as well.
TomNovember 24, 2008 at 4:03 pm #15670
Each equipment manufacturer, or most of them anyway, have an online manual for their own particular piece of equipment. A clickable link to each one, so the end user could print it out as needed maybe ?
For example Fiberglassrv has this very informative and useful page just full of links. It is so useful that several online forums link to it. This link is from casita club:
I would rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on earth 08' Oliver Legacy Elite HULL NUMBER 0003(sold)November 25, 2008 at 2:35 am #15673
As I sit here at my computer and try to organize my vision, I keep referring to the forum. I can’t imagine any better way to learn about Oliver and related topics than through the Oliver forum. It was never my intention to bypass, delete, change, etc. The forum is too much fun and I look forward to reading all the posts, enjoying the goodnatured dialog and learning so much from the educational contributions. As I looked at the forum categories earlier I got to wondering if it would be possible to organize the forum topics online alphabetically to use as a reference guide. I have to hunt through a lot of topics to find the one I want to read again (such as solar panels – portable, now or later install.) If the capability was online for the individual viewer to categorize alphabetically, this could be the answer to me having organization and finding what I want to look at again. I think it is an excellent idea that Mountainborn has about posting manufacturer websites, documents, and diagrams. Additionally I love the photo postings. I tried to key in the information in Excel, go to email and copy the text as an attachment but I didn’t get anywhere so I will be glad to take you up on your offer of technical assistance and any other help. My number one purpose is organization in a way that others including myself can get to the information desired quickly. I don’t have a lot of time to hunt on the computer for the information I want. I hope have explained a little better what it is that I am trying to do. As usual, thanks to all for the suggestions, thoughts, etc, Jam49November 30, 2008 at 8:40 pm #15724
Since I haven’t seen the Oliver manual yet and not knowing how to transfer typed information from a spread sheet, I decided to share my idea here for further critique, etc. (not inclusive of all that can be, just what I have thought of so far)
A – Antisway equipment
B – Back up system
Boondocking – why this or that is better for Oliver
Cell phone booster
Cover for Oliver
E – Electrical
F – Flooring – length and width interior
G – Gel coat
Generator – Gas, diesel
Gray water tank
I – Inverter / Charger
L – Lights
M – Mattress
O – Online websites
P – Photo upload
Q – Quick connect
R – Registration
S – Sacrificial Anode
Shower hose – benfit of Oxygenic, regular
Solar panel system
T – Tires
TV swing arm
Trailer tongue storage basket
Telescoping trailer tongue
Twelve volt plugs
V – Ventilation
W – Water filtration
Window panes – single or double
Weight – Oliver
I hope to be able to view the Oliver manual online someday and use this one (if it happens) as a supplementary using the wonderful online posts. Everybody please join in yea or nea, this or that added, deleted or added to. Thanks for yall’s help. Jam49November 30, 2008 at 8:42 pm #15725
Already I see I forgot to add Mountainborn’s suggestion of documents and diagrams. I need to add that under D. Jam49December 1, 2008 at 11:55 pm #15732
The next couple of weeks are going to be really busy for me; so it may be a few days before I get into this.
Here’s an idea I have. What if we had an index something like what you outlined, that is a forum post. However, the items you have in your list would be links to the actual posts. I think Mountainborn could make the index stay put as a sticky at the top of the forum. You could still go ahead with the printed version if you like, but this "posted" index would make searching for topics like you have listed very easy. Does this make sense?
I’ll try to put up a mini version soon to see what you think.
Another thought I had was to make the "index" more of a tree structure with larger categories that are then broken into more specific topics. For example, a few days ago I had no idea about "sacrificial anode", but if that had been listed under "water heater", I would have found it that way.
Like you, I would love to have the Oliver folks put a manual online and keep it updated with latest suggestions. Early on I posted a suggestion of having it on a DVD rather than the large volume version.
TomDecember 2, 2008 at 1:16 am #15733
Yes your idea makes sense. For people like me who have a lot to learn, maybe it won’t be too much work to have a "tree structure" and an alphabetical list some how under the tree to call attention to topics that are important but may be overlooked. Maybe curiosity would cause somebody else like me to research an important topic such as the sacrificial anode that I might have not discovered for a while. To me a water heater was a water heater until ——I learned about the sacrificial anode and the importance of it relating to water heaters. To save space online I think it would be good, with permission of the posters, to have the relevant discussion in the manual and not the goodnatured banter unless others think it necessary. Strictly thoughts for discussion. My hope is that this manual will additionally have the extra "tips" (keep the rv level when storing, check the battery water level?, check the voltage? etc. These are a few more of my thoughts. With all the wonderful expertise out there this can’t help but be a most useful manual (strictly my opinion.)Thanks,Jam49December 2, 2008 at 2:27 am #15738
I agree with you, a manual with all the tips and ideas would be great. Use what info you need and disregard the rest. I guess we could create another forum named maybe Oliver manuals. Under that we could add topics "A" thru "Z". Under each topic we could add our info. It wouldn’t be in strict alpha order rather as how they were entered under each letter, but it would make searching easier. What about that, Larry? \
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I love your idea of Oliver Manual Forum. I sure don’t want the spontenaity? of the forum to go away. it is too much fun reading the new posts and topics that come up. Maybe the posted topics could eventually be moved somehow to the tree/alphabetical design for ease of searching for information. Keep the suggestions coming! Jam49December 2, 2008 at 7:08 am #15742
Just an idea, but you might try putting some of your topics into the search window at the top right of each page. For example: the search string "Sacrificial Anode", brought up three pages of returns where it had been mentioned on these forums. A similar search over on Casita Club might return many more pages of discussions on the subject.
Each of the links in our signature line below, is to a forum that has a similar search feature where these topics are discussed and can be searched for.
Many forums have a links page where if you need info about something, say, water heaters, there is a link to each manufacturer’s on line manual. But it won’t, in most cases, give tips such as being careful to hold the anode level to get it to thread up easily. I think that those end user’s "hands on" tips may be the most valuable information, leaving the parts and users manual information to each manufacturer ?
I would rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on earth 08' Oliver Legacy Elite HULL NUMBER 0003(sold)December 2, 2008 at 7:24 am #15743
I just tried your topic "Brake Controller" in the search window and got back 33 returns on 4 pages of Brake Controller discussion. The search feature is a pretty powerful tool that is in place that will fetch those tips and hints that a manufacturer’s manual or parts diaghram can’t ever begin to describe.
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