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- June 5, 2016 at 11:54 am #34772
We are current owners of an Escape 17 and am looking for upgraded TT to support our yearly trips out West to ski. We are hoping to be able to use water systems in temps approaching zero degrees. The folks at Oliver say this is feasible but I would be interested in hearing from owners.
Thoughts?June 5, 2016 at 7:35 pm #34795
Hello Yardsale and welcome to the Oliver Forum.
Oliver is a true 4 season camper. All the water tanks are enclosed between the two shells and will be fine as well as your interior plumbing and I can assure you they will not freeze as long as your cabin temperature is comfortable for humans. In freezing temps if you are hooked up to an outside water supply you, of course, will need a heated hose. Even with a heated hose I’ve still had the water freeze right at the fitting where it enters the trailer so you would need to pay special attention to that area. There is NO exposed plumbing or valves on the Oliver.
Hope this helps, but feel free to inquire if you need further owner info.
Steve, Tali and the dogs: Reacher, Lucy and Rocky plus our beloved Storm and Maggie (both waiting at the Rainbow Bridge) 2008 Legacy Elite I - Outlaw Oliver, HULL NUMBER: 0026 2014 Legacy Elite II - Outlaw Oliver, HULL NUMBER: 0050 2017 Silverado High Country 2500HD Diesel 4x4June 6, 2016 at 6:52 am #34802
Thanks for your encouraging response. What are the lowest temps you have personally used the water systems in your Oliver?
1 user thanked author for this post.June 6, 2016 at 7:21 am #34805
I’ve had mine in use to -10F, but I own hull 69, which if you seen the video has the double insulation and both AC and DC tank heaters, so with electric hookup I would fine at any temp really. The one caution I’ll give is that under the mats in the back compartment the fitting froze for Ron and the fix was a low wattage heater to keep warm air moving around in the coldest temps.
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2015 Oliver Elite II Hull #69June 6, 2016 at 9:21 am #34812
Welcome to the group!!!!
Have not had the Ollie long enough to contribute to the cold weather conversation, yet!
LE2 TundraJune 6, 2016 at 9:52 am #34814
2009 Sugar Beet Harvest in North Dakota
We were in a full hook ups RV park for the duration of the season. The season ran long that year and it was November 10th before we headed back South. Our campsite was approximately 65 miles below the Canadian border. We moved South to Independence Kansas where we experienced -14* for three consecutive days a few weeks later while camped by the lake during duck season.
I would rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on earth 08' Oliver Legacy Elite HULL NUMBER 0003(sold)June 6, 2016 at 1:49 pm #34832
under the mats in the back compartment the fitting froze
Impressive MB. Just to be clear, you were using all the water systems while it was – 14? Didn’t have the issue Randy mentioned?June 6, 2016 at 6:21 pm #34843
Again welcome to the forum.
You don’t mention where or what states you plan to ski in the winter and there can be a considerable difference between them. I live in MT and can state with a fair amount of assurance all water supplies will be turned off and very few, perhaps no campgrounds open during ski season so this means you’ll have to carry all of your water for the trip duration above the 45th parallel at these elevations. There are a few private campgrounds that might be open but doubt they keep the water on through the winter.
The coldest we’ve camped was in the low to mid teens at night and with no issues. Oddly this was in TN shortly after picking up our Oliver and lasted for a few days. The hunters I know locally who use an RV during this season tend to carry their water supplies in separate 5 gal containers stored within the cabin and do not use the plumbing facilities. You’ll probably want the larger 30 lb propane tanks to keep your cabin up to proper warmth to prevent freezing, assuming you don’t stay in private facilities with electrical hookups.June 6, 2016 at 11:43 pm #34857
under the mats in the back compartment the fitting froze
Impressive MB. Just to be clear, you were using all the water systems while it was – 14? Didn’t have the issue Randy mentioned?
My hasty freeze proofing of the outside shower with a small foam pillow just didn’t cut it, especially since I forgot to drain the hose. The shower head froze and cracked. At the first thaw I found it leaking and the water pump cycling. Replacing the shower head was all it needed. We had forecast warning about the Norther that was roaring our way and I focused on making a home made freeze proof water hose since one was not available locally. It worked well but the foam pillow didn’t.
I would rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on earth 08' Oliver Legacy Elite HULL NUMBER 0003(sold)June 7, 2016 at 3:57 pm #34871
We are new to the Oliver family but here are some things I have learned, On our trip home we had about a week of temps in the mid teens at night. We have the smaller Elite. Don’t know which Oliver you are interested in.
The Elite2 has a dedicated heat supply duct between the hulls to help keep tanks above freezing. The smaller Elite does not, but the furnace itself keeps the space warmer down below, it’s also a much smaller trailer so is easier to heat. On both, the forced air furnace really keeps the trailer warm. Just using a remote electric heater in the cabin, however, will not protect your tanks as no heat will get down between the hulls as it does when using the furnace. It’s going to take a lot of propane to stay liquid when it’s as cold as you are anticipating. Not only the furnace needs to run, but your water heater as well. Don’t turn it off at night! It is well insulated on the interior side of the trailer and not so much on the exterior side. I can’t tell you the limits of temperature before it would freeze, and I don’t want to find out either! We just left it on all night when it was going to really freeze hard. Surprisingly, it didn’t cycle on all that often. I would take a long look at the new Tankless water heater Oliver is now offering, sounds like a better choice for winter/cold weather outings. I’ll probably go that way myself when I get a few more miles under my belt.
The Elite2 can carry twin 30# propane tanks as an option. I’d get those. The Elite only twin 20#. I’ll just carry an extra 20 # tank during the shoulder seasons. The propane does go a long way.
If you have no access to power you will need the solar option and the best batteries you can afford. We got the Lifeline GPL-4CT in ours and they have been great. The Elite2 can fit 4 Trojans for some serious amp-hours if you have the need.
I think what you have in mind is doable with an Oliver. It will take some active management on your part. If you plan on parking in one spot for a while, you might want to figure out some kind of skirting around the base of your trailer. That will help keep the cold wind from blowing under your tanks. Ollie in the winter sounds pretty cozy to me! Good luck.
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1998 Ford E-250, 5.4 literJune 8, 2016 at 7:36 am #34876
The Elite2 has a dedicated heat supply duct between the hulls to help keep tanks above freezing.
Interesting option. I will ask Oliver if this option could be installed on the smaller trailer. Are there two of you in the trailer? You think you have enough circulation space, storage space?
NickJune 8, 2016 at 4:30 pm #34896
We love our Elite. It is just the right size for us. There is a little dance you do with your partner doing different chores in the trailer, but we love the cozy feel of the interior. Unlike the Escapes, which we looked hard at, there is no annoying bulkhead panel in the cabin, and as a result the interior has a very open and spacious feeling (placing the WC at the front of the trailer is also a great design). It seems like we’re in the minority, however, as most folks get the larger Elite2. But the smaller size Elite does have plenty of advantages of its own- easier to slip into tight spaces, lighter weight, etc. I’m 5’10” and can stand up just fine in the main cabin. If I was over 6′, it would be tight, but everyone has different tolerances for this, and it’s always best to get in one personally. The bathroom is a little tighter, but no issue for me. Showering and all else is great. There is not as much storage as the Elite2, as you would expect, but we keep a lot of stuff in bins in our tow vehicle. Works well for our needs. The galley is a lot smaller than the Elite2, but still very functional. Especially to one who has come from tent camping!
The furnace is under the front dinette seat. Two supplies come into the main cabin from adjacent sides of that dinette seat. The third supply goes into the bathroom on the other side of the wall. This keeps ducting to a bare minimum. It’s really tight in the furnace area. I was hoping to find a dedicated duct for the tanks like in the larger trailer, but was told there was not enough room (and I believe it). I was also told that because of the trailer’s smaller size, that the residual heat from the furnace was enough to take the chill off down below. We’ll see as time goes on. If you get serious about getting an Oliver, I’d revisit this with the staff and see if a duct could be squeezed in there somehow. At the very least, there is an unused duct port on the furnace that could be opened up with a louver mounted right on the furnace housing to blow more warm air into the space. So far for us, we have had no issues, but also haven’t had it out in the temps you are thinking of. I would like to think we could because it’s a nice time to be out there! Hope this helps.
2015 Oliver Elite, Hull 107
1998 Ford E-250, 5.4 literJuly 10, 2016 at 12:41 pm #36487
Thanks for the great post. I’ve only been here for a day, and is great to be learning from the “pros”. When I was a pup, my dad had a small 16 footer that we had some great times in, from camping on the WA coast, to fishing in upper BC Canada. Now that the wife and I are retired, I really look forward to getting back to it.
1 user thanked author for this post.September 15, 2016 at 6:27 am #39189
Yesterday Anita at Oliver assured me that the smaller Oliver does, in fact, have ducted heat between the shells. I wonder if this is a design change from when Dave purchased his unit.
Snow in the high elevations out West!
NSeptember 15, 2016 at 12:08 pm #39199
John E DaviesParticipant@john-e-davies
If the DOT puts liquid deicer chemicals on the roads like the magnesium chloride used here in Washington, you might want to rethink using any trailer in the winter. It is sprayed on dry roads before a winter event, unlike salt which is applied with sand during the event. The spray gets everywhere and it eats up steel and aluminum. A Google search will turn up countless articles on the problem.
I put a set of Micky Thompson polished (bare aluminum) wheels on my truck and this is what the pitting looked like after two hours exposure to winter road spray on otherwise dry roads in Spokane. (The wheel in the pic has been washed.) I took them back to the tire dealer for a refund.
I have owned a small marine grade aluminum utility trailer for 14 years. It has been stored indoors. The only serious damage to the finish in that time is from substantial gravel rash to the front and belly, and from the short local trip I took the first winter, where the factory gleam was completely eaten off by road chemicals in a matter of hours. I won’t make that mistake with an Oliver.
I personally am not thrilled with the idea of towing any two or three ton trailer up a mountain on ice and packed snow, and then maneuvering it in a Snow Park full of randomly parked cars, icy ruts and huge snow berms. If I were looking for a rig to use for skiing I would choose an XP Camper ($$$$$) or a Northern Lite camper ($$) mounted on a long bed HD 4wd pickup, with studded tires.
If chemicals are not a problem, sand and gravel will be, so expect to have significant road rash damage. This IS avoidable to a degree if you buy the right accessories for both truck and trailer.
Keep in mind that your resale value will be negatively impacted if you tow the trailer in aggressive conditions (in Winter States) and you will have increased maintenance and restoration expenses.
I haven’t ordered my Ollie yet, but for four months out of the year it will stay parked under cover due to the nasty chemicals here in the NW….
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