- June 19, 2019 at 1:42 pm #175803
I currently own a 2005 chev. 3500 crew cab duromax diesel pickup. Before that a ford power stroke for 10 years. Both performed great for years…over 250k miles each with no major engine issues. My current dura max is pushing 300k miles…so I’m considering purchasing a new pickup when I order a trailer. I’ve talked to friends, my mechanic, truck owners I run into a the fuel spot and grocery store parking lots, youtube videos. The more people I talk to the more answers I get to the question…should I purchase a new diesel engine pickup with all the emissions equipment required today. The neigh sayers explain that with todays emission equipment they run too hot and burn up over time. And I wouldn’t get 10 years out of the vehicle like I did with my last two pickups before the emission stuff. I would welcome any thoughts out there?June 19, 2019 at 1:55 pm #175809
I can only offer up that, although I own a 2006 Dodge 5.9L diesel, 3500 MegaCab, towing an Oliver doesn’t require that kind of power. I just happened to have already owned my truck before we decided to purchase our trailer. I actually have equipment trailers and tractors that require the power I have.
I also will advise that to replace my current truck with a new one would probably cost well in excess of $75K so essentially, close to the cost of the trailer itself.
I do like the diesel but if I had to purchase a replacement vehicle for the purpose of towing my Oliver, I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t go that route. Of course, any good TV will cost you plenty if you’re purchasing new.
If you want to pursue diesel though, I would do some serious on-line searching for good, low mileage trucks out of Texas. For some reason, they seem to have an inordinate number of great, low mileage diesels down there. That’s where mine came from. (I live in VA).
2018 Elite II, Hull #414 (the very last 2018 produced). Trailer name "2 HOBOS" . 2006 Dodge 3500 Megacab, 4x4 with 5.9L Cummins diesel.June 19, 2019 at 2:13 pm #175812
John E DaviesParticipant@john-e-davies
You nailed it, if you plan to keep it for a really long time and for 200,000 plus miles, either avoid a diesel entirely or delete it if you don’t have inspections. ….. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oeO_g2xj6n4
Some of the new gas engines are amazing … have you researched the new 7.3 Ford?
Even the older gas engines are getting better, the newest Power Wagon with the eight speed automatic and a few aero tweaks got 25% better mileage than the previous year (The Fast Lane 100 mile test loop.)
It was hard to give up that endless diesel torque, but I am way happier with a gas truck. Go drive some gas trucks, see if any appeal to you. The Tundra is overdue for a complete makeover, it will be interesting to see what the new model offers. The Ram 2500 with rear coil or air springs drives really nice compared to leaf spring trucks.
"Mouse": 2017 Legacy Elite II NARV (Not An RV) Two Beds, Hull Number 218, See my HOW TO threads: https://olivertraveltrailers.com/topic/john-e-davies-how-to-threads-and-tech-articles-links/
Tow Vehicle: 2013 Land Cruiser 200, 33" LT tires, airbags.June 19, 2019 at 7:12 pm #175824
You put 21k miles a year on your truck.
Depending on conditions, local fuel prices, how much you tow, how fast you tow, that represents anywhere from $100 to $1000 in fuel savings for the Diesel at today’s prices – over the next 5 years. Diesels cost $10,000 more new and a lot more to maintain. Plus you need to keep topping of the Urea to not end up in limp home mode. So from a financial perspective it doesn’t pay off. I know for the price difference you can get a Lariat with the Ultimate pack compared to an XLT with no options on it.
While the diesels are rated higher for towing in many cases, the big block and all the emissions gear weigh more and so you have less available payload – which is what most exceed first.
Where diesels do shine is when towing, they deliver much better MPG, which means more range between stops. If you are trying to make it across Texas as fast as possible in a headwind, you probably want a diesel. Other than that, the economics don’t work out.
If I _needed_ a diesel, I would look at a 2006-7 Chevy LBZ. But those are enjoying some really nice resale values now in good condition with lower miles.
As John said, there are some new trucks on the Horizon that are definitely worth waiting to see how they stack up if you can. Especially if your LLY is running well and not overheating. 2021 F150, 2021 Tundra, the 2020 F-Series with the 7.3 gas, 2020 2500HD with the 6.6 gas, and more.
There are rumors for Hybrid power trains for Ford and Toyota, that if they don’t eat into the payload, could make for some ridiculous 1/2 truck efficiencies. Bonus if it plugs in and I can run to the train station and back without paying for fuel. If Ford or Toyota’s next 1/2 tons can pull Ollie without a WDH, they may take the place of the SD/HD trucks in my book too. For now I am kind of infatuated with the Expedition, but we’ll see how the test drive goes.
2019 LE2 #529 expected Sep/Oct 2019June 20, 2019 at 3:42 am #175869
WhatDA: “WDH”? What da heck is that?
2018 Elite II, Hull #414 (the very last 2018 produced). Trailer name "2 HOBOS" . 2006 Dodge 3500 Megacab, 4x4 with 5.9L Cummins diesel.June 20, 2019 at 6:29 am #175881
Search this posting you started.😮
Mike and Krunch
LE2 #193 “the dog house”June 20, 2019 at 8:58 am #175947
WDH = Weight Distribution Hitch. Necessary for most tow vehicles other than 3/4+ ton trucks and some euro SUVs for anything with more than 500 tongue weight or 630 tongue weight for the newer Expeditions.
2019 LE2 #529 expected Sep/Oct 2019June 20, 2019 at 10:09 am #175986
Search this posting you started.😮
Yeah, I should have looked there first. I’m hoping that a formal glossary will be developed and posted where one doesn’t have to look through an entire thread to find (or hopefully find) a term.
2018 Elite II, Hull #414 (the very last 2018 produced). Trailer name "2 HOBOS" . 2006 Dodge 3500 Megacab, 4x4 with 5.9L Cummins diesel.June 20, 2019 at 11:01 am #175995
Hobo, we’ve been working on that behind the scenes…
You’ll see it soon…
2008 Ram 1500 4 × 4
2008 Oliver Elite, Hull #12June 20, 2019 at 11:53 am #176046
Snowball • LE2 256 • 2018 Ford RaptorJune 20, 2019 at 5:49 pm #176217
I saw a Tube video today reviewing the new GM 3.0L Duramax Diesel inline 6 in the upcoming 2020 Silverado 1/2 ton looks pretty impressive. Performance, Power and Price. Might be worth looking at.
2019 Legacy Elite #431; 2019. TV 2019 GMC Canyon Denali, crew cab, 4X4, Long bed, Duramax Diesel.June 20, 2019 at 8:49 pm #176268
Hope they do better with the diesel Silverado than the power stroke f150. With the power stroke you lose a lot of payload.
2019 LE2 #529 expected Sep/Oct 2019June 21, 2019 at 7:43 pm #176490
I am very happy with my choice. GMC Canyon Denali with the Duramax 2.8 diesel towing Ollie Elite 1. I wonder if GM will offer the new 3.0 Duramax inline 6 (3.0) in the CANYON/ COLORADO?
2019 Legacy Elite #431; 2019. TV 2019 GMC Canyon Denali, crew cab, 4X4, Long bed, Duramax Diesel.
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