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Sorry, but I don't get all this business about a wet bath being a great place to store wet or dry objects? Space is space, right? I mean, wouldn't all of those purported 'storage advantages' apply equally well to a dry bath, just as much as a wet one? I just don't see the logic there.

"I can't figure out whey it's stuck on the tow hitch end which almost always ends up facing the least scenic side of any of the sites in which I've seen Airstreams camped." Thanks Jim, I can't really say at this point whether the dry bath is a deal-breaker for us or not. In truth, I suspect now. The fact is, the low ceiling in the shower is as big a hindrance for me personally as the dry bath is, but regarding window and wet bath placement that you and SeaDawg have both mentioned . . . I get that complaint completely, and I agree, because its definitely not ideal in the Airstream. But for the sake of conversation, I'll flip the tables on you and say that I would have liked to see a front window on the Olivers, because we've had several instances in past years where someone was dinking around with our truck or its bed contents in the middle of the night, and you'd have no way to see that kind of activity from the front of the Oliver. So it cuts both ways.

"The only thing I miss about the dry-bath is the stand alone shower makes a great closet" Yeah but, that's the thing . . . If you're over 6-feet tall, it ain't really a "stand" alone, its a "crouch" alone. 😉

"When I started looking at fiberglass trailers I noticed that wet baths are the norm. I assumed it had to do with smaller footprint as fiberglass models tend to be narrower compared to stick built." Muchas gracias, Tejas ! Yup. I think you're right on that point, and I think the smaller footprint applies to more than just the difference in width (7-ft. Ollie vs. 8-ft. AS). I think it may apply to overall length by a greater margin than I had originally anticipated as well. For example, I'll often see someone who says that the tailgate of the average towing truck can be fully lowered with the Oilver's (which is awesome!), and I'm not sure whether or not that's true with Airstream, but if it ISN'T true of the Airstream, then I suspect the functional (interior) length of the AS, may also be sizably larger than the LS-II by more than just a few inches.

" . . . it screamed trouble to me" . . . . "my dog's better than your dog" . . . etc., etc. Nope. No screaming trouble here! No bigger or better dog, neither! Don't own either one of these fine trailers, and I'm not sure that I ever will, but I do know one thing for-sure - I DO know how its all gonna work out. 😏

Thanks Bill! A couple of great points. Especially the point about the closet. That was my wife's first observation too. She wondered, why didn't they just ditch the closet in favor of a dry bath? But I guess it was for the same reason they didn't accommodate people 6-foot tall and larger? Most folks are under 6-foot, and most people want a closet, so they just went with the odds.

While it's true that sitting on the toilet when showering eliminates tall folks from banging their head on the ceiling, it's also true that many (if not most) travel trailers ≥23-foot, have dry baths with higher ceilings. This is true of Airstream, and it's true for even most of it's budget competitors. As for the "lipstick on a pig" remark, if I'm not mistaken, that's a quote from the late Arizona senator and presidential candidate John McCain, when he was first asked about his perception of Sarah Palin, whom he later chose as his running mate. 👊👊

Thanks Overland, and yes, I think I'd be a good candidate to answer your question regarding the wet bath concern. First off, let me say that before I stumbled into the Oliver product line, I didn't even know that wet baths existed in travel trailers! That's how ignorant or uninformed I was. I've owned several offshore boats in the 28-35 foot range over the years, that had 'wet' baths, but I had never previously seen one in a travel trailer. To be perfectly frank, although I fully understand the spatial constraints inherent to a relatively short 23-foot platform, I was nevertheless 'stunned' to find it in a travel trailer, that when fully loaded with features, is priced at nearly $90,000. THAT, is simply colossal money in my world, and depending on the particular parameters one might use to compare the two, it's arguably MORE expensive than a comparable Airstream. Then, add to that, the fact that I'm 6-foot 2-inches tall and the shower stall in the LE-II is only 6-foot, and you begin to feel cold feet creeping in. And lastly, I have to add one more personal observation about curtain-less wet baths . . . I'll frequently see where others say that they're "no trouble at all" or how they're actually "less work" than dry baths, because all you have to do is dry everything in the bathroom off when done showering, but this is absurd! If you use soap when showering (like most people on Earth), then you're gonna have dirt, body oils, soap scum and shampoo residue, coating the floor, the toilet and everything else in that enclosed area, and that's not "less" work in my view. So basically, my overall point is this . . . for $85-$90,000 fully loaded, I would have liked to stand fully 'upright' in my shower, not have to dry anything and everything off each time, and not have to scrub the floors and fixtures every single time the shower is used. But in fairness, that's just me. Your mileage may vary. 😉 Anyway, I hope this added information helps answer your question(s).

I've gotta be honest, the overall 'spatial' issues with the Oliver are a real concern to me. I agree that the wet bath thing can be tolerated, if need be, but if it's designed 'wet' solely to allow for more space elsewhere, then why is the shower barely 6-foot tall, and why is the fridge a paltry 3.8 cubic feet? Where is all of this purported extra space? In other words, if it's all for added space, then why does the same length (23-foot) Airstream have a larger dry bath and twice the fridge space than the LE-II? Something just doesn't seem to jive?

Thanks SeaDawg, and yes, as far as durability goes, I'm with ya there! I'd liked to have had a bigger shower, with better separation from the commode, but then, I'd sooner have an everyday 'beater', that can handle the trails, than a foo-foo luxury liner, that's gonna rattle and come apart. So it's all good!

Thanks also to Ray and Susan, and to everyone else here for their contributions. My wife and I are retired, and we live in remote northwest Montana, wherein hail storms occur, the roads are rough, ground clearance matters, and boondocking is the rule, so the truth is, we've been leaning heavily towards the Oliver LE-II Twin side of things for some weeks now. Do I particularly like the bathroom and shower on the Oliver? Nope. Is the overall comfort factor higher on the Airstream? Yup. But there is little doubt that the Ollie is the best and 'right' decision for us. Now, it's just a matter of identifying the most critical options to be included in the order, and waiting patiently for ten-months until delivery. Thanks again to all. 👍

Thanks Overland! Some great readings there, and they've helped to answer several of my key questions.

Greetings, All! Let me start by saying that I'm absolutely new to Ollie's, and I'll admit that I'm duly impressed at some of the features, but I remain a bit puzzled about overall value, relative to (say), a comparable Airstream. I won't belabor the discussion here with a bunch of tedious, line-item comparisons of features, but, I'm hoping that one or more current or former Ollie owners can tell me just what benefits there are in choosing a 'new', fully-featured 23-ft. Legacy Elite II (for about $70,000), over a comparably (or even superiorly) equipped, 1-2 year old, 23-ft. Airstream Globetrotter at that same price? Other than potential damage to the aluminum shell from hail storms with an Airstream, what am I missing here? Anybody? Thank you!