Cielo Breez Max

[Ronbrink]

28 minutes ago, Geronimo John said:

What it does not say is that the functioning of the system "Will Do No Harm".  So the real question that it does not answer is:  Was the start/stop impact of the Cielo system cause any harm to the A/C in the process?

Valid concern, gonna research the issue for my own personal understanding. 

[Ronbrink]

On 11/22/2025 at 3:10 PM, Ronbrink said:

Valid concern, gonna research the issue for my own personal understanding. 

 

In an effort to address @Geronimo John’s concern, “So the real question that it does not answer is: Was the start/stop impact of the Cielo system cause any harm to the A/C in the process?”.

Based on findings thus far, the Cielo can be programmed the turn off the supply air fan soon after shutdown of a compressor’s normal operating cycle. In this process, AC power to the A/C unit is totally turned off. The Cielo will then cycle the compressor back on in typical fashion, at which time AC power is immediately restored and the supply air fan subsequently turns on in sync. It is my understanding that use of the Cielo in this manner does not significantly alter the normalcy in compressor cycling and thus, is of no detriment to the compressor; and turning the supply air fan on and off as described, only mimics an A/C operating in AUTO Mode, wherein the supply air fan runs in sync with the compressor in both cooling and heating settings. However, if an A/C unit is prone to short cycling (for varied reasons), continuance can lead to wear and tear, and premature failure of components. 

Edited December 10 by Ronbrink

[Geronimo John]

On 12/10/2025 at 4:43 AM, Ronbrink said:

However, if an A/C unit is prone to short cycling (for varied reasons), continuance can lead to wear and tear, and premature failure of components. 

In the case of the Cielo's, they are killing power with every cycle.  I would have concern for both the mother board and start capacitor at a minimum.  Both of which don't like to be prematerly knocked off power and the "Cold Started"....  especially with every cycle. 

Point is we don't know what is going to happen until it is tested in the real world by owners that don't cook the data. 

As usual I agree with your statement and I appreciate your doing so.  I too believe that any A/C that is short cycled will exoerience additional wear and will have a shorter life.  Now the real question is it 2%?  50%?   We don't know.  If it's 2% sweet.  If it's 50%  not so sweet. 

We'll see in about two years or less I suspect.  BTW the Soft Start Systems went thru the same learning curve.  That example worked out really well for all.

gj

Edited December 11 by Geronimo John
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[Ronbrink]

1 hour ago, Geronimo John said:

In the case of the Cielo's, they are killing power with every cycle.  I would have concern for both the mother board and start capacitor at a minimum.  Both of which don't like to be prematerly knocked off power and the "Cold Started"....  especially with every cycle. 

I remain optimistic! Prior to total shutdown (“killing power with every cycle”), the compressor first turns off when a temperature set point is reached, the air supply fan will continue to run thirty seconds or so before turning off, the condenser fan will continue to run an additional thirty seconds, then the unit is totally powered off by the Cielo. I think this staged shutdown is by design, perhaps to prevent perceived damage(s); by no means a sudden ‘hard stop’ of all said components at once. At a predetermined set point the compressor will turn back on as power is restored via the Cielo, followed by startup of the air supply fan; by no means simultaneously and thus, allowing time for the compressor’s soft start device and respective run capacitors to engage the individual start sequences and not overload the unit’s control system. Once again, all by design. This is why it is highly advised not to use a circuit breaker to cycle an A/C off and on to help regulate temperature and/or humidity issues, in which a “Cold Started” situation will occur and likely cause damage(s) to said components. 

1 hour ago, Geronimo John said:

We'll see in about two years or less I suspect. 

I’m a solid year in and counting! 

Edited December 11 by Ronbrink

[BigTexas]

My main concern regarding damaging the system would be if somehow the Ceilo inadvertently bypassed the compressor delay (not allowing high side pressures to normalize before restarting).  But it's only providing commands via IR signals. It doesn't have the ability to cut power to the system like opening a circuit breaker and then turning it back on,  which could defeat the compressor delay.  

I think an analogy may be similar to a computer.  Power off the computer and it starts a shut down process protecting your data and the system.  Pull the plug and you may loose everything.  The Ceilo is just giving commands via IR to the motherboard.  But the motherboard retains all the manufacturers protection protocols. 

But I'm no expert.  I just watch a lot of YouTube air conditioning videos.

 

[Ronbrink]

3 hours ago, BigTexas said:

But I'm no expert. 

Nor I and furthermore, I honestly believe the Cielo to be much smarter than me when it comes to air conditioners!

Edited December 11 by Ronbrink

[jd1923]

My first rule with technology is keep things simple and go with defaults in configuration! That being said, Ron and some others, I believe it was @Treasure Coast Vault who first installed the Pioneer Inverter A/C, and both have positive results with this thermostat/power on/off control product.

I'm working on a Turbro Inverter A/C install. My plan again is to go with installing this product by defaults without additional complication. I have already installed a simple Honeywell heat-only thermostat, it works well. I do not believe I would need this product since humidity is not generally a concern in the Southwest.

Love the input though! Thank you @Ronbrink!

Edited December 12 by jd1923

[CRM]

24 minutes ago, jd1923 said:

I'm working on a Turbro Inverter A/C install. My plan again is to go with installing this product by defaults without additional complication. I have already installed a simple Honeywell heat-only thermostat, it works well. I do not believe I would need this product since humidity is not generally a concern in the Southwest.

Might want to wait on that. Installed my Breez Max today and couldn't get it to work correctly using the auto detect for the remote, nor by trying to manually enter the Turbro info. It's shows the Turbro brand in the manual setup, but only one model remote and it isn't the one I have. Got it to to turn the Turbro on but it would turn the built in LED's on and off when it was trying to change the temp. Going to contact support in the am and I'll let you know how it goes. 

[Ronbrink]

11 hours ago, CRM said:

Might want to wait on that. Installed my Breez Max today and couldn't get it to work correctly using the auto detect for the remote, nor by trying to manually enter the Turbro info. It's shows the Turbro brand in the manual setup, but only one model remote and it isn't the one I have. Got it to to turn the Turbro on but it would turn the built in LED's on and off when it was trying to change the temp. Going to contact support in the am and I'll let you know how it goes. 

Bummer! I referenced the aforementioned Cielo link to check remote compatibility for Turbro branded units (the link actually shows ‘Turbo’, but certain that is in error) and saw only one remote model (being either Celsius or Fahrenheit specific) listed, wherein there are 32 remote models listed for Pioneer products. When contacting support you may want to ask, if by chance, there is a universal aftermarket remote available that is known to work in a Turbro/Cielo application. 

[CRM]

4 minutes ago, Ronbrink said:

Bummer! I referenced the aforementioned Cielo link to check remote compatibility for Turbro branded units (the link actually shows ‘Turbo’, but certain that is in error) and saw only one remote model (being either Celsius or Fahrenheit specific) listed, wherein there are 32 remote models listed for Pioneer products. When contacting support you may want to ask, if by chance, there is a universal aftermarket remote available that is known to work in a Turbro/Cielo application. 

Ah, maybe I read it wrong and Turbro isn't in the database at all? Waiting to hear back, but will bring up the fact that the Pioneer Inverter units look to be identical and see if they can recommend which remote model to use for my Turbro. There's a bunch of Pioneer models in there... 

[Ronbrink]

2 minutes ago, CRM said:

Ah, maybe I read it wrong and Turbro isn't in the database at all? Waiting to hear back, but will bring up the fact that the Pioneer Inverter units look to be identical and see if they can recommend which remote model to use for my Turbro. There's a bunch of Pioneer models in there... 

Another thought, try to find out if the Turbro remote listed by Cielo is compatible with your Turbro inverter a/c model. 

[CRM]

3 hours ago, Ronbrink said:

Bummer! I referenced the aforementioned Cielo link to check remote compatibility for Turbro branded units (the link actually shows ‘Turbo’, but certain that is in error) and saw only one remote model (being either Celsius or Fahrenheit specific) listed, wherein there are 32 remote models listed for Pioneer products. When contacting support you may want to ask, if by chance, there is a universal aftermarket remote available that is known to work in a Turbro/Cielo application. 

I did find the "Turbro" brand on the website, but as you can see in the pic the only remote they show is much different than the one I have (mine on the right).  Sent them all the info they requested and just waiting for them to get back to me. 

[CRM]

Well, spent about an hour on the phone with tech support and they weren't able to get any of their remote settings to work with my Turbro. They ended up having me send them each remote command through the WIFI connected Breez Max and now will use that info to try and program a new template for the Turbro. They said they should have it done by Tues. 

Pretty strange since @Treasure Coast Vaultdidn't seem to have any trouble setting his Breez Max up with the seemingly identical Pioneer unit. Told tech support this info and it didn't seem to help any... Maybe not so identical after all? Why didn't I let @jd1923try setting his up first? 

[Ronbrink]

6 hours ago, Ronbrink said:

I referenced the aforementioned Cielo link to check remote compatibility for Turbro branded units (the link actually shows ‘Turbo’, but certain that is in error)

@CRM - I have since learned there is a QUIETSIDE Turbo air conditioner to which Cielo is referencing in their compatibility link and thus, I stand corrected. You were correct in your questioning, Turbro is not in the Cielo database. Hopefully the tech support you contacted can provide a viable alternative in programming a new template for the Turbro. Good luck with that endeavor!

[CRM]

1 minute ago, Ronbrink said:

@CRM - I have since learned there is a QUIETSIDE Turbo air conditioner to which Cielo is referencing in their compatibility link and thus, I stand corrected. You were correct in your questioning, Turbro is not in the Cielo database. Hopefully the tech support you contacted can provide a viable alternative in programming a new template for the Turbro. Good luck with that endeavor!

Turbro actually is in the Cielo database on their website. Only one remote though and it's the wrong one. You can see the difference in my post a few posts back. 

[jd1923]

40 minutes ago, CRM said:

Why didn't I let @jd1923 try setting his up first? 

Going to finish my Turbro install soon. I have next week off.

I hadn't planned on adding the Cielo thermostat, unless after a season of use it is deemed necessary in our use case. Humidity is rarely an issue in our travels.

Also, @BigTexas nicely wrote-up a concern that was in the back of my mind...

[CRM]

3 minutes ago, jd1923 said:

Going to finish my Turbro install soon. I have next week off.

I hadn't planned on adding the Cielo thermostat, unless after a season of use it is deemed necessary in our use case. Humidity is rarely an issue in our travels.

Also, @BigTexas nicely wrote-up a concern that was in the back of my mind...

It will be interesting to see if your temp sensor is as far off as mine was. I've had the unit shut off at 70-71 cabin temp because the internal thermistor was reading 64 which is as low as the unit allows you to set it. Usually don't need to go much lower than that anyway, but sometimes I do just to remove excess humidity. To fix this I added a resistor in parallel to the thermistor to trick it into reading a hair lower than actual cabin temp and seems to be working great now. Need it to warm up some and get the Breez Max working to finish testing and adjusting before giving a final opinion on this unit. 

[Ronbrink]

54 minutes ago, CRM said:

Turbro actually is in the Cielo database on their website. Only one remote though and it's the wrong one. You can see the difference in my post a few posts back. 

Oops, I stand corrected again! I assumed the listings were in alphabetical order, but there it is….Turbro! I’m even more hopeful now that things can be worked out. 

[CRM]

On 12/12/2025 at 5:43 PM, Ronbrink said:

Oops, I stand corrected again! I assumed the listings were in alphabetical order, but there it is….Turbro! I’m even more hopeful now that things can be worked out. 

Yeah, I was too in the beginning, but now support isn't returning my calls or emails. I'll give them a few more days to respond and then I'm going to send it back.  Can't blame them if they can't get it to work with my AC unit, but at least respond and let me know...