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Hey, I have never shipped a trailer or a car. In thinking about absolute shipping cost, you also need to think about your saved time and aggravation, the impact of weather delays and the cost of missing your deadline (lost driving class fees), and unfortunately, the incredible hassle of fixing your equipment if you should slide off a slick highway or worse yet, jackknife. The latter will trash both your vehicles... How much are your insurance deductibles? Have you totaled up your planned trip costs? Diesel, fast food, lodging, campground fees, wear and tear on your expensive TV? I don’t have a clue what your towing mpgs will be, it varies enormously with your road speed and the environment. I think 20mpg towing would be a realistic figure for the return trip, to account for steep climbs, headwinds etc. Add up the costs, then subtract them off the cost to ship. I don’t think the difference will be that hard to accept, considering how much simpler and safer shipping would be. If I were in your shoes, delivering a trailer here to Spokane in late November, I would not hesitate to ship. An option for you to consider.... have it shipped to Los Angeles or San Francisco, and have a nice warm safe drive up the west coast to PDX, hitting all those glorious ocean parks.. That would give you some nice easy learning miles, so you can spend some time with your new toy in a much more benign environment. I shudder to think what an early season white-out snow storm with 50mph crosswinds in the high plains of WY or northeast UT would be like while towing. Please don’t think we are being harsh or unfriendly. I personally have close to 50 years of towing experience, and many others on the forum are very high mileage if not high time towers. I think Pete (and Bosker) “bugeyedriver” has almost 130,000 miles now pulling his 10 year old Elite after his latest loop through Alaska! If we don’t think your original plan is advisable, we are only looking out for your well being. Don’t we look at least a little trustworthy? ... Well, maybe Bosker does. John Davies Spokane WA

Yes, they fit under the toilet seat perfectly, we use them all the time when boondocking, we put a bag in at night, use it until it's full, then replace it. We just left the beach and have been using the bags again since the tank hit 80% a few days ago. We keep a bunch under the rear Dinette seat in a plastic garbage bag. Take them out of the boxes, bag them up and put them somewhere close. Sometimes when extended boondocking, we start out with the bags and go from there, we can usually last 2 weeks in the black tank before it's time to dump. Reed