- April 14, 2017 at 4:48 am #50611
I noticed a new member, Micro-Air, joined on April 11, 2017. A review of his/her profile indicates a YouTube link to a variety of videos which can be helpful to our community.
In the past, our Forum has benefited from vendor representatives, such as Sage at Andersen Hitches. Perhaps the Micro-Air representative will step forward?
Have any Ollie owners utilized the equipment manufactured by Micro-Air?
2016 Oliver Elite II - June 9, 2016
2016 F150 Lariat 3.5L EB, Max TowingApril 14, 2017 at 7:43 am #50616
A few people have the Easy Start installed, and have said great things about it. I’m considering it, but if I go with the Atwood AC I should be able to run it off a Honda 2000 without one. However, if I’m not mistaken it was Trumpetguy who said that he could run his Atwood off of battery by using the Easy Start. Not for long, of course.
After reading about it here, I’m also considering installing an easy start on my home AC. We’ve got an old house with iffy patchwork electrical that’s been changed and added to somewhat, uh, creatively over the last 100 years, and the AC is a definite strain on the system when it cranks up.
Snowball • LE2 256 • 2018 Ford RaptorApril 14, 2017 at 7:59 am #50619
Yes, some owners have installed the Easy Start. Not sure if we have Forum members who are also using the Penguin II AC. Since many of the Ollies in circulation use the Penguin II, I am hoping the Micro-Air rep will post his experience working with Penguin II owners.
I should think if your dry camping in southern states, you absolutely need an Easy Start. Never made sense to me that I can dry camp and run my furnace, but not my AC. I guess I view this technology as essential if it works on my configuration.
Although an Easy Start may allow me to fire up the AC, not sure how long I could run it on my battery supply. I do not plan to utilize a generator. Would enjoy hearing from an experienced owner for a reality check!
PS – Sent off a PM to our Micro-Air member with the hope he/she will post on this thread. Fingers crossed!
2016 Oliver Elite II - June 9, 2016
2016 F150 Lariat 3.5L EB, Max TowingApril 14, 2017 at 8:06 am #50620
David Kemp (trumpetguy) was using this equipment in his Oliver. He is now using the same in his Airstream. In full Florida sun, he was running his AC off the Trojans for as much as 8 hours at a time! Hopefully, he will chime in here with his experiences.
The company has a complete Dometic Penguin II installation instructional on their website. It fits neatly inside the unit on the outside.
The necessary unit costs a little over $300.00.
Steve, Tali and the dogs: Reacher, Lucy and Rocky plus our beloved Storm and Maggie (both waiting at the Rainbow Bridge) 2008 Legacy Elite I - Outlaw Oliver, HULL NUMBER: 0026 2014 Legacy Elite II - Outlaw Oliver, HULL NUMBER: 0050 2017 Silverado High Country 2500HD Diesel 4x4April 14, 2017 at 8:12 am #50622April 14, 2017 at 8:21 am #50623
In the Oliver, he was running it with the standard 4 Trojan T-105’s and the 320 watt solar. He later added two more batteries so he had even more reserve power.
Steve, Tali and the dogs: Reacher, Lucy and Rocky plus our beloved Storm and Maggie (both waiting at the Rainbow Bridge) 2008 Legacy Elite I - Outlaw Oliver, HULL NUMBER: 0026 2014 Legacy Elite II - Outlaw Oliver, HULL NUMBER: 0050 2017 Silverado High Country 2500HD Diesel 4x4April 14, 2017 at 8:50 am #50626
Heard back from the Micro-Air rep via a PM. He is planning to post comments here later today. Making progress!
2016 Oliver Elite II - June 9, 2016
2016 F150 Lariat 3.5L EB, Max TowingApril 14, 2017 at 9:56 am #50628
Hello to all my Oliver buddies. I am glad to see renewed interest in the Easy Start because it is a terrific product. I introduced the company to my AS buds and a number have purchased the unit. One thing first…if you do buy the product get the one in the enclosure as opposed to just the board. If enough interest is expressed they will allow a discount.
I did install the Easy Start in my Atwood Air Command 13500 AC I had on the Ollie. Yes I did run the AC on a hot Florida Saturday for eight hours on battery only. Bear in mind that I was using six Trojan T105s, and that the Atwood has probably the lowest AMP draw of any RV air conditioner. Not sure how a Dometic will do. During the eight hour test the Ollie was in full sun so there was some benefit from PV that reduced the draw on the batteries. FYI. The extra two batteries were in a marine battery case attached to the generator basket. I ran 1/0 welding cable under the dinette seats into the battery compartment. The Atwood pulls 60 AMPS when the compressor is running but remember that the AC cycles on and off according to the thermostat setting so an eight hour test might only entail six or so hours of running.
The Easy Start is not a capacitor so don’t think you can do this with a $10.00 part. All modern RV AC units already have a Hard Start capacitor anyway. Easy Start is a computer. It “learns” the characteristics of your AC unit within five starts and adjusts the amount of assistance at start up accordingly. Start up is what gives inverters and generators a problem. The “Locked Rotar AMPS” (LRA) at start up will approximate 5X the running amps of the unit. Even the Surge watts of a 2000 WATT inverter cannot overcome this. Easy Start reduces the LRA by as much as eighty percent to enable start up. It only operates on start up. An additional benefit is to reduce the cathartic bump felt when most RV AC units start up.
One of my first mods to our AS 28′ was to install the Easy Start. I have one Dometic Briskair 15000 BTU. My off grid set up is 500 WATTS of roof mounted PV (5) Renogy Mono Crystaline panels, (4) Crown AGM 6V Batteries, 3000 WATT Magnum Hybrid Inverter, 40 AMP Blue Sky Charge Controller with IPN remote. One day I hope to replace the AGMs with 400 AMPS of LIFePO4 batteries, but right now the price is too high.
One thing has surprised me about my Airstream…it is not as energy inneficient as rumoured. There is about two inches of “pink stuff” insulation between the inner and outer skin. We have camped in 90 degree heat and 20 degree cold and were comfortable at all times. The furnace is so good we don’t use it. Just carry a Little Buddy and keep it on low.
I hope to see some of you on the road as we tour this wonderful land. If you are coming to9 the upper Gulf Coast of Florida be sure to send me a message and we will have a meet up.
When will Oliver make a 28′ 8 foot wide unit? Maybe soon?
Current 2007 Airstream Classic Limited 31
2015 Oliver Legacy Elite II (Sold)
2016 Ram 2500 HD 6.7i Cummins turbo diesel
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Hats off to the development of your Easy Start, solar, and battery system!!!!!!! Very impressed when you first posted your system here. If we install the roof solar charging system on our Ollie, will borrow yours and everyone involved in development ideas, if you don’t mind.
On the 28′ Ollie, there are rumors floating around.
LE2 TundraApril 14, 2017 at 10:50 am #50638
Hello everyone from Micro-Air! Many thanks to Buzzy for his noticing my sign up to your forum and many thanks to Trumpetguy for his long-standing support as one of our exclusive “repeat customers”! We’re thrilled to be here and very happy to see the interest brewing in our EasyStart products. I’m going to do my best to abide by your forum’s rules and not post any links, prices, and such since I don’t want to upset your moderators. Most of you have already found our website anyway, and all of the important stuff is there. Speaking of which, we’re in the middle of a complete website and webstore redesign that should be launching within the next few weeks.
Trumpetguy gave a great summary. To address some of Buzzy’s questions, I looked at some photos of Olivers from past and present. I see that they at one time perhaps used Coleman Mach and Polar Cub rooftops, later changing to the Dometic Penguin. I just saw on your Facebook page a trailer with a Dometic Penguin II. The good news is we have now had hundreds of end customers and dealers install EasyStart with success on all of these models, and pretty much the rest of the model families from Dometic and Coleman (Airxcel). I have a vast library of wiring diagrams that I have drawn and accumulated since last summer. I can post any or all of those here once we know which models anyone might need help with. The generic installation instructions that come with EasyStart are straightforward. I’ve attached those here.
As far as power sources go, the big thing that EasyStart enables is operation of the largest rooftops, 15kBTUs, from a single 2000W generator or inverter. We have confirmation of this with Honda EU2000i, the Yamaha EF2000iSv2, the Westinghouse WH2000iXLT, the Xantrex Freedom 1800 Modified-sine Inverter, the Magnum Energy Magnasine MS2012, and a few other inverter models as well. The only 2000W generator that doesn’t seem to work with EasyStart is the Champion 73536i, which I wanted to mention up front since it is half the cost a few have customers have had trouble with it. The other nice benefit for EasyStart that I don’t believe applies to Oliver trailers (yet) is that it allows you to run two rooftop A/Cs on a single 30A utility hook-up.
I’m here to answer questions, so feel free to ask away! Thank you again for the warm welcome and for everyone’s interest in our EasyStart products.
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trumpetguyParticipant@trumpetguyApril 14, 2017 at 10:57 am #50649
And I wanted to post this separately:
To show our appreciation for everyone’s interest and Buzzy’s kind invitation, like we did for Trumpetguy’s AS friends and family, I’ve just added another coupon code to our webstore for all of you Oliver owners. Just enter “OLIVER” at checkout to receive $50 off our EasyStart 364 model.
Please know that I’m not here to force the “hard sell” on anyone. I’m just a part of the product development & manufacturing team that wants to make sure you have all the right information. That way, each and everyone can make their own decisions and choices on how best to resolve their particular situations when it comes to A/C operation on generator or on inverter/solar power.
Many thanks again for everyone’s interest and consideration!
Micro-Air, Inc.April 14, 2017 at 11:52 am #50656
GrayGhostParticipant@grayghostApril 14, 2017 at 12:35 pm #50658
Even the AQtwood needs 60 amps on start up. A honda 2000 won’t do it alone.
Do you mean the 15k btu unit? Atwood claims that their 13.5k btu unit can be started with a Honda 2000, and you had mentioned not having any problem running the Atwood off your 2000i, though not off the inverter.
Snowball • LE2 256 • 2018 Ford RaptorApril 14, 2017 at 12:39 pm #50661
David and Matteo,
Thank you both for helping our community understand the EasyStart product. Back when David first highlighted his installation, my focus was on other aspects of my Ollie. With the arrival of the 2017 camping season, the purchase and installation of an EasyStart is on my list of modifications to enhance my dry camping. Here in northern New England we do not have many hot and humid days, but we do have enough that this product would be helpful!
Matteo, thank you for coordinating the coupon for Ollie owners. Your efforts to help our community is very much appreciated.
PS – Just ordered mine!
2016 Oliver Elite II - June 9, 2016
2016 F150 Lariat 3.5L EB, Max Towing
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