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15 hours ago, Patriot said:
Ask your bride to keep it under 100 while you’re in the Ollie. 😄
Don't know how many of y'all ever rode in the OTT under tow, but I've done it a few times just to check what needs attending to. I try to convince my bride to keep the speed down -- with little success...😜
FWIW, I rode in the back for the last several miles yesterday on our way back from the eclipse adventure.... From a qualitative perspective, the ride was interestingly noisy, solid/stiff - but not like a buckboard.... It was not appreciably different than the ride I took before changing out the springs. Don't think it would comfortable for more than a few miles, IMO.
I checked the torque settings for each of the U-bolt nuts after logging 1,895 miles on the new springs over the last 9 days - all good, no more stretch. Probably a good idea to keep doing so every 5k miles or at least annually.
Not to highjack this thread, but: Regarding frame cross member welds - visually inspected all yesterday and photographed each weld to set a baseline for our records. All good. I'm suspecting that the broken welds reported in a parallel thread could be caused by an inexperienced welder at the factory and not a design flaw. I also suspect that Oliver engineers designed the frame to withstand "normal" usage (that may be difficult to define, however). Like other owners, we routinely, yet carefully, travel over unpaved and unimproved roads with a full fresh (empty black/gray) tank without issue - I believe this practice is within the design limitations of the trailer. We'll definitely keep inspecting the cross members after such trips... Thoughts?
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1 hour ago, routlaw said:
Why did they not use a square tube, instead of stitch welding two L brackets?
Excellent question!
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3 hours ago, John Welte said:
How is the ride for the trailer? Any stiffer? Any down side? We have a 2022 LE2 and I checked under the trailer for welds and leaf spring condition. All looks good.
The trailer tows perfectly fine - perhaps even a bit better in high cross wind conditions when we traversed the TX pan-handle. 90-degrees off left to right at 30-35mph. Solid!
3 hours ago, Mountainman198 said:Did you notice any negatives from towing with the 2,000 vs. 1,750 rated spring packs?
Nothing noted…. I’m going to ride in the OTT while D drives thru the neighborhood as before we upgraded them to “feel” the before/after….
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Just by way of an "UPDATE": We pulled into a nice Harvest Host location yesterday afternoon at the "BAR-Z Winery" in Canyon, TX about 20 miles south of Amarillo near Palo Verde SP. We've logged just over 1,400 miles since R&R efforts of the AxleTek and ALCAN spring packs. A prior-to-departure torque inspection revealed no more "U-bolt stretch" as the nuts met target torque specs.
For us, at least, our higher level of confidence in the running gear and general peace of mind knowing we've got 2k#-rated 5-spring leaf packs under our 3.5k# axles was worth the $'s, time, and effort in this upgrade, FYI.
Cheers from a couple "Happier Campers"!
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10 minutes ago, routlaw said:
For the trouble one would go to creating tilting panels and for only a few degrees just don’t see it being worth the trouble.
Concur, 100%! Impressive that you've got that much usage from your wet cell's... Well done, amigo!
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On 4/4/2024 at 6:57 AM, Patriot said:
With over 20,000 miles on our Oliver I have never seen the need to tilt our panels.
Same here, Patriot -- D and I and the fur missiles have logged 11k+ miles since MAR23, have always got to 100% SOC by mid afternoon the following day. Even this past weekend, albeit we deployed our 200w portable modules during very gloomy overcast WX for an eclipse trip in TX, the battery bank was fully joy before 1300 in WOXOF conditions. We wouldn't recommend that you worry about tilting your modules... just say'n.
But like the "Man" sez, "MOD ON!"...
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We were near Gatesville, TX for the eclipse yesterday - a private ranch with 68 or so various fiberglass rigs, a couple AS's, and an Imagine - there were 11 LE2 Olivers in the mix.
Here's some PIX and a VID of the eclipse from our iPhones:
Incredible experiencing the darkness and the coolness setting in as totality was established (4 min + 16 sec from our location)...
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On 4/7/2024 at 6:18 PM, routlaw said:
The big question now is, how many more of these broken welds are running around out there being unnoticed?
OK, owners... As a safety measure, let's get our "Mechanic's Crawlers" out there and get underneath our rigs and conduct frame member weld inspections - while you're at it, check your shocks, too...
A FREE beer from D and me for anyone that posts evidence of broken welds - really.
Cheers,
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2 hours ago, Mike and Carol said:
PJ does a good job on her videos, memorizing a lot of features and capacities. Mike
Very informative video of the '24 Ollie by PJ....
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Well, we pivoted last month and changed plans to see the eclipse from a private cattle ranch near Purmela, TX instead of Lady Bird Johnson Park...
Kathy and Ronnie, owners of BellaRose Cattle Ranch, opened up their property for a "fiberglass RV/white egg" Eclipse Rally. The rally is a "no-fee" event, but proceeds from sale of food, tips for musicians/bands, and various presentations help local not-for-profit organizations. Very cool. Expecting over 120 participants by Monday morning's eclipse, K & R have planned out a myriad of activities - country western artists perform, civil war presentations, yoga, various food offerings, guided tours of local area, etc.
So far, most of the rigs are Casitas - but we're close to at least 8 OTTs and more are showing up by the hour.
"Casablanca" arrived yesterday PM in a position adjacent to ScubaRX's "Outlaw" rig:
D showing off a baby blanket she made for our 3.5 month-old grandson, Cade Bailey Webb:
Very windy and overcast today - hopefully the winds subside and skies clear for Monday's viewing of the total eclipse...
Stay tuned, more later!
Cheers, ALL!
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15 hours ago, Ollie-Haus said:
Never had any doubts
We had no doubts, either! Thanks for the well written clarification, Rodney! The Oliver family and business always comes through with the best path going forward.
Cheers!
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I found very little about AXLETEK - the manufacturer of the 4-pack springs replaced last week. One likely company with the same name is located on the same block as 2 RV manufacturers and the Lippert Plant at:
Axletek
2700 Ada Drive
Elkhart, IN 46514Indiana (574) 326-3430
Interesting, no?
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12 minutes ago, Geronimo John said:
I may have gained a bit of clearance with the Houghton low profile install. Not sure how much though.
Hey, John:
If you're only talking a couple inches of height - air-down your 4 tires enough to get that clearance. Roll the rig into position in the barn. This shouldn't damage the tires. Air them back up once in position. Problem solved.
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30 minutes ago, Mountainman198 said:
Prepping to finally install my Alcan springs today now that the snow has melted. 😀
Awesome! Please keep us posted as to what you've learned about your project, specifically, the condition of the old spring packs....
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The Dunes are about a 90-minute drive northeast of our cabin near Mogote, CO; we go there often... Never get tired of that location - very cool. Thanks for posting @Doug S!
Cheers!
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UPDATE: The 500-mile torque inspection was actually a 527-mile torque inspection at a QT in Wichita Falls. The process is now taking only a couple minutes longer than it takes to fill up our 30+gallon tank in the Tundra.
Still amazed how the new U-bolts stretch - each nut took several quarter turns to reach the target torque value! We'll be check them every 1k miles for a while.
Interesting Side Note: Speaking with Mike/Alcan yesterday on a particular boring stretch of HWY 287 somewhere near Electra, TX, we learned how springs are "weight rated." Evidently, there are several algorithms used by spring manufacturers that rate springs once several parameters are uploaded. Keep in mind that ll algorithms are not exactly the same - some are more accurate than others. Values for steel type, width, thickness, alignment pin size, eye-to-eye length, etc., all determine the weight rating. Alcan uses a highly rated program with a reputation in the industry as being very accurate. Turns out that virtually all RV manufacturers, industry-wide, use spring packs that either just barely meet RVIA standards or don't meet them at all (depending on the algorithm program used to rate the springs). When Alcan ran the dimensions of the Chinese-made AXLE TEK spring used on my Oliver, it was "quite a bit less than the rated 1,750# target", according to Mike.
IMO, this issue goes back to DEXTER and not necessarily Oliver - because, as I understand - but could be wrong, the axle kit (including the spring packs) are supplied by DEXTER. But even if the AXLE TEK spring packs were tested to and achieved the 1,750# target at manufacturing, after some time (not necessarily road miles, but age) - those springs will flatten (all 4 of our's did) and they will not be able to meet the target rating going forward. This is due largely to the low quality metallurgy of Chinese steel. Labor costs, environmental regulations, and manufacturing standards in China are much less, if exist at all, as compared to the US steel industry.
With a suspension travel of barely 2" (just measured it) before the top of the U-bolts smack into the my Oliver's aluminum frame, I want to be sure the springs are doing what they are there to do. So owners that find themselves crawling around underneath their rigs, this is another inspection point - if your suspension ever "bottomed-out" it will leave an imprint on the frame from the top of the U-bolt. That's a good indicator your spring-packs have flattened and need attention.
Also IMO, the choice between Chinese-made and US-made leaf springs for travel trailers depends on the specific needs and priorities of the manufacturer or end-user, including considerations of cost, quality, and supply chain reliability. For businesses emphasizing cost control, the Chinese-made springs may be appealing, whereas for those prioritizing quality, safety, and supporting domestic industries, US-made spring packs might be the preferred option.
So, mindful owners should think about: (1) having their running gear/suspension inspected, and/or (2) upgrading their suspensions if needed, or (3) never approaching their 7k# OTT max GVWR, or (4) towing slowly only on pristine roads, or (5) not worrying about it and see what happens down the road.
Sorry in advance for my rant, it's just my $0.02...
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@jd1923 - Great story, brother! Thanks for sharing - you made family memories in the LeSabre just like we are doing today in Casablanca. Get your hands a little greasy, finish the job, test and inspect your work, wash your hands off - then start enjoying your efforts! Right?
We'll get the 500-mile inspection completed today somewhere around Denton, TX - FYI. We'll be enjoying the trip just that much more after that torque inspection...
Thanks to all...
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We really enjoy Catalina SP, @DaveAndBecky_NorthernMI - beautiful area!
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We departed the ABQ area mid-morning and are now boon docking near Amarillo, FYI. Even saw another Oliver enroute, "Buck and Ollie"!
This thread has been very informative for us regarding spring packs. Perhaps owners will become more attentive to the "dirty side" of their Olivers - as the undercarriage and specifically, the running gear, might be overlooked for some. It's definitely not as sexy as other areas of the OTT, for sure. But, it's where the rubber meets the road that concerns us. It would be good for everyone reading this thread to crawl underneath an learn what type of axles they may have. We learned that 3500# axles can be either 2-3/8" or 3" diameter at the same weight rating. Each takes a different size of U-bolt. As noted in an earlier post, each has a different torque specification as well. As responsible owners, we should know what U-bolts we're riding on and what the respective torque specs are.
Here's a good one: During our spring-pack R&R, we noticed that on the last set of U-bolts, there weren't any washers! At some point in our Oliver's life, the U-bolt nuts were installed and torqued without them. You can't get an accurate torque value without washers. We never noticed this condition until just last weekend as we were finishing up. Just another thing to look for when you're crawling around under there...
@Patriot's well thought out approach to have a spare spring pack/U-bolt kit on board is rock solid. Especially, considering the Dexter 5-year warranty implications. Good on you, brother.
Please note: If U-bolts are replaced, either by emergency durning on the road conditions, or by modification/upgrade in controlled conditions - please mind the torque procedure. Specifically, re-torque after first 50 miles, then at 100 miles, finally at 500 miles. Check torque settings annually - easy enough to do at the same time you're servicing your EZ-Flex suspension, wheel bearings, and doing your shock absorber inspection.
We completed the first 2 torque drills today while headed eastbound on I-40 towards Amarillo. New U-bolts actually stretch until finally torqued after the 500 mile check. We'll be doing the 500 mile check tomorrow. It's amazing how much additional tightening was needed to meet the torque specs on the first 2 inspections. Bottom line, loose U-bolts can cause spring failures.
Very strong left to right wind conditions while towing today, the Casablanca was rock solid back there - like always. The peace of mind is well worth the effort we went through over the past several days performing this mod. Happy Campers all!
Cheers...
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Here's an attempt to post a smug mug link to some random pix and the GoPro vid from last Wednesday...
The GoPro vid is 11 min - don't know if it will load... we'll see. I've reviewed both he pre- and post- installation vids. There is definitely more axle travel with the lighter spring packs - no surprise there. Subjectively, the "feel" under tow seems more solid.
FYI: The above pic shows a couple of the original 4-packs made by "AXLE TEK"...It's interesting that these are not labeled as "DEXTER" springs packs. AXLE TEK also makes axles much like DEXTER. Somehow, we got a mixed bag - however, the 4 brake drum assemblies and spindles are DEXTER...
Loading up now for the 1st leg to Dallas, enroute to the total eclipse in Purmela, TX. More later, stay safe, ALL!
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Awesome report on your trip to the Great Southwest USA, @routlaw... Thanks for posting those wonderful pix!!!
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FYI: We're leaving on Tuesday and plan on visiting our newly minted grandson in Dallas - then arriving mid-day Friday at BellaRose from Dallas.... Looking forward to meeting y'all!
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FYI: Finished up today - tried to upload some random shots of the spring pack R&R, but the system must still be down.
Anyhow, we'll service the final wheel bearing in the morning, mount the wheels and take it for a test drive with the GoPro capturing vid of the curb-side forward assy.
Stay tuned...
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Hey @Geronimo John;
Just wrapped up installing the Alcan spring packs.... Here's some clarification for you and those interested in this mod:
4 hours ago, Geronimo John said:Step 10: "Dexter Center Shackle": Are these the EZ Flex spring shackle connections?
YES. Dexter calls these "EZ-Flex Equalizers" for double-eye leaf springs.
4 hours ago, Geronimo John said:Step 16: "We oriented them so th grease ole on the wet-bolt faced "UP". In the forum "Remove Wet Bolt", GAP replied " After talking to Dexter, my conclusion is that the nut had been installed incorrectly. The little hole that the grease comes out is supposed to be at 3:00 or 9:00 and, turned facing say 6:00 or 12:00, will not dispense grease.
Good Catch, John! - I will need to re-orient my wet-bolts to the 3 or 9 position - no biggie. My thought process was that the 12 position would have the least pressure from the suspension on it. They're all flowing now, but the OTT is still "up in the air", I'll get them changed out tomorrow. This is a great example of how cool these forums are for OTT owners!
4 hours ago, Geronimo John said:Step 19: "Torque all nuts to Specs". What are the spec's?
I got this from Dexter:
"Install the plain shackle links onto the bolt ends that protrude through the springs and equalizers. Install the flanged lock nuts onto the bolts and tighten to 30-50 Ft. Lbs."
The torque values for the U-bolts will be either 45 or 65 pound-feet depending on the size of your axles/U-bolts.
Easy peasy!
Cheers, All...
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Broken frame crossbeam?
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(Copied and pasted from the leaf spring thread):
Regarding frame cross member welds - visually inspected all yesterday and photographed each weld to set a baseline for our records. All good. I'm suspecting that the broken welds reported could be caused by an inexperienced welder at the factory - an anomaly and not a design flaw. I also suspect that Oliver engineers designed the frame to withstand "normal" usage (that may be difficult to define, however). Like other owners, we routinely, yet carefully, travel over unpaved and unimproved roads with a full fresh (empty black/gray) tank without issue - I believe this practice is within the design limitations of the trailer. We'll definitely keep inspecting the cross members after such trips, however... Thoughts?