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Looking for a threaded waste tee handle, METRIC 6mm....!

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The supplied handle for my black tank fell off because it is held on with a 1/16 inch roll pin. I kid you not. The pin sheared and off it came. (BTW I have only operated the handle twice.) There are no threads in the large hole, which is actually a sloppy fitting slot. All the stress goes onto that teeny little pin. The others are the same way.

 

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The shaft is threaded with a jam nut, so I ordered a standard “metal” handle. It doesn’t fit, the threads are 1/4-20 and the cable end is 6mm....

 

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Here’s the handle with a 1/4-20 bolt, which fits, and a 6 mm bolt for comparison:

 

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Here’s the 6mm cable, with the busted off pin in the hole:

 

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Does anyone know where I can get a threaded handle for the metric cable? The alternative is to drill out the threads and install a 6mm helicoil insert into this SAE handle.

 

This is so stupid I could scream....  I already asked Oliver several times and all I received was a 3 inch waste valve assembly, without handle.

 

Does anyone else have pinned handles? Have the pins broken?

 

Thanks,

 

John Davies

 

Spokane WA

 

 


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Don't you have a Nature's Head? Watcha doin with the black tank, inquiring minds want to know...


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Don’t you have a Nature’s Head? Watcha doin with the black tank, inquiring minds want to know…

Randy, the black tank and all its associated plumbing is installed but nothing is going into it - there is no opening on top of the tank. I had to winterize the black tank flush line, and drain what little bit of water was in the tank after doing that. I used pliers on the nut....

 

I actually opened up the rear access panel a few months ago and found the handle busted and lying in the bottom, it did not happen while I was actually pulling on it.

 

Regardless of the black tank, the other two will also fail because it is a beyond stupid way to secure a highly stressed part.

 

John Davies

 

Spokane WA

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"Mouse":  2017 Legacy Elite II NARV (Not An RV) Two Beds, Hull Number 218, See my HOW TO threads: https://olivertraveltrailers.com/topic/john-e-davies-how-to-threads-and-tech-articles-links/

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John,

 

If you cut the round portion of the handle off where the 1/16" roll pin goes through, would that give enough room to place a metric nut on both sides of the handle securing the handle on the threaded cable end?

 

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Drive out the broken roll pin and replace it.  Ten years with six different valves, I've  never had one break.


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John, If you cut the round portion of the handle off where the 1/16″ roll pin goes through, would that give enough room to place a metric nut on both sides of the handle securing the handle on the threaded cable end? Bill

Bill, that is a great idea, if I don’t come up with a metric handle I think that will be an easy and permanent fix.

 

Since I now have a new silver handle, I can mod both the rear cables, with a black handle for the black tank and a silver one for the gray tank - color coded! - and then I will have a spare I can drill to use up front, if that one ever fails.

 

Thanks,

 

John Davies

 

Spokane WA

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"Mouse":  2017 Legacy Elite II NARV (Not An RV) Two Beds, Hull Number 218, See my HOW TO threads: https://olivertraveltrailers.com/topic/john-e-davies-how-to-threads-and-tech-articles-links/

Tow Vehicle: 2013 Land Cruiser 200, 33" LT tires, airbags.

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Here's the answer to my question on etrailer. The guy actually said he tried it with an m6 bolt. The product code was to the replacement for the old style valterra.

 

 

 

 

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Here’s the answer to my question on etrailer. The guy actually said he tried it with an m6 bolt. The product code was to the replacement for the old style valterra.

Ah, another good old etrailer,com expert....

 

I can screw a 6mm bolt into a 1/4 -20 hole all day long and it will never “fit”; it just cross-threads and seizes up. LOL ... Those Volterra handles are not metric.

 

Thanks for the humor.

 

John Davies

 

Spokane WA


"Mouse":  2017 Legacy Elite II NARV (Not An RV) Two Beds, Hull Number 218, See my HOW TO threads: https://olivertraveltrailers.com/topic/john-e-davies-how-to-threads-and-tech-articles-links/

Tow Vehicle: 2013 Land Cruiser 200, 33" LT tires, airbags.

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You're welcome. I was curious, too, as you showed a valterra handle..

 

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Here is a comprehensive yet easy to understand discussion of SAE vs metric threads and fasteners, and of “best practices”... Bottom line, if the fastener diameter and thread pitch do not match, the connection will either be really weak and possible fail, or the parts will seize together and be permanently damaged.

 

https://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help/basic-thread-concepts

 

Oliver as a company has a serious problem with this concept. I already encountered and fixed MANY places where the wrong diameter and thread size nut was run onto a smaller diameter screw (all the outside access and inside overhead cabinet latch hardware- 10/24 coarse nuts were run down onto 8/32 fine screws). In this case, the parts did not seize, the nuts fell off and then the screws fell off. Luckily the doors did not fly open and get damaged.

 

http://olivertraveltrailers.com/topic/how-to-fix-your-overhead-cabinet-latches-wrong-hardware/

 

I personally would be delighted if Oliver never installed an SAE part, everything should be metric. But the RV industry is stuck on American sizing. When you start adding “Euro” appliances like the instant hot water system, you run into hardware incompatibility!

 

I wonder where they sourced these metric sewer cables, and why....?!!

 

This was probably a lot more discussion than anyone cares about, but it is very important to inderstand about using the correct parts, especially when you are faced with a do-it-yourself repair in the field. The RV tech should know the difference. But I would not count on it.

 

John Davies

 

Spokane WA

 

 


"Mouse":  2017 Legacy Elite II NARV (Not An RV) Two Beds, Hull Number 218, See my HOW TO threads: https://olivertraveltrailers.com/topic/john-e-davies-how-to-threads-and-tech-articles-links/

Tow Vehicle: 2013 Land Cruiser 200, 33" LT tires, airbags.

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We had the same problem with the cabinet above the microwave, I haven't checked all of the others because they are holding fine but they really must have had an idiot working there to cross thread all of the bolts and then force them together and then run the screws in until they are completely stripped out and spinning freely at the bottom... I was looking at my gray tank valve last week and noticed that it's getting weak also and started pulling from the nut instead of the handle until I get home tomorrow and really look at it. Jason called me back, I guess Richie got hurt out on the floor, I really like them both and I've never had a problem go unsolved so far. He said that they might have to send me a new window because they stripped out the screws that hold the latch...


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