Collier and Joan Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 While camping yesterday the a/c and 110 outlets stop working. The GFCI outlet under side bed table was not trip but would not work either (test and reset buttons wouldn't work). I was hook up to shore power and the EMS showed no error codes. No circuit breakers were trip, only items that run off shore power won't work, I do not have an inverter. Today after getting home last night (had to leave campground/ temp outside was 96) hook up to my 30amp power and still the same results. I have very limited electrical knowledge, I did plug in my Klein RT210 tester into all the outlets and they all were indicating hot/grd rev. Any help will be appreciated. 2019 Legacy 2 Hull 514 1 1 2019 Oliver Legacy Elite II - Delivery Date Aug 29, 2019 Ford F150 XL Supercab - 3.5 EcoBoost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator+ ScubaRx Posted August 7 Moderator+ Share Posted August 7 Just so I understand...You were plugged into a power post at a campground. Everything was working fine and all of a sudden everything just stopped working. When you used the Klein tester, were you at the campground, at home or both? At home your 30 amp power inlet on your house has always worked in the past? 2 Steve, Tali and our dog Rocky plus our beloved Storm, Lucy, Maggie and Reacher (all waiting at the Rainbow Bridge) 2008 Legacy Elite I - Outlaw Oliver, Hull #026 | 2014 Legacy Elite II - Outlaw Oliver, Hull #050 | 2022 Silverado High Country 3500HD SRW Diesel 4x4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collier and Joan Posted August 7 Author Share Posted August 7 That’s correct at campground everything was working and then at the same time the air stop working and the outlets would not work, use the Klein at home not the campground, the 30 amp at home is a hookup in my carport for the trailer and has always worked, the ems shows voltage coming in/ 125 1 2019 Oliver Legacy Elite II - Delivery Date Aug 29, 2019 Ford F150 XL Supercab - 3.5 EcoBoost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfnut Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 Try this.. unplug from shore prower , go insde and trip all the 120 v breakers back and forth, sometimes they trip internal. Plug back into shore pwr. Good luck.. 3 2022 Elite I # 1179 | 2024 Tundra SR5 4x4 Crewmax. 5.5 ft. Bed. 3.31gears 10 spd.trans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator+ ScubaRx Posted August 7 Moderator+ Share Posted August 7 29 minutes ago, Collier and Joan said: That’s correct at campground everything was working and then at the same time the air stop working and the outlets would not work, use the Klein at home not the campground, the 30 amp at home is a hookup in my carport for the trailer and has always worked, the ems shows voltage coming in/ 125 Your incoming voltage is fine. Earlier you stated the the Klein showed, "they all were indicating hot/grd rev" Does the readout on your onboard show any errors? Look under your dinette seat at the back side of the power inlet (where your external power cord plugs in) and make sure all the wires are tight and not burned. Also examine the inside of the inlet (from the outside) to make sure there is no scorching which would indicate an overheating due to a poor connection. Unless there's direct short in the plug or inlet port, I done understand how the hot and ground could be reversed. Keep posting until we can work this out. 4 Steve, Tali and our dog Rocky plus our beloved Storm, Lucy, Maggie and Reacher (all waiting at the Rainbow Bridge) 2008 Legacy Elite I - Outlaw Oliver, Hull #026 | 2014 Legacy Elite II - Outlaw Oliver, Hull #050 | 2022 Silverado High Country 3500HD SRW Diesel 4x4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collier and Joan Posted August 7 Author Share Posted August 7 Try flipping breakers no go, saw no scorching on connections, the end shows E0 2019 Oliver Legacy Elite II - Delivery Date Aug 29, 2019 Ford F150 XL Supercab - 3.5 EcoBoost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRM Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 5 hours ago, Collier and Joan said: While camping yesterday the a/c and 110 outlets stop working. The GFCI outlet under side bed table was not trip but would not work either (test and reset buttons wouldn't work). I was hook up to shore power and the EMS showed no error codes. No circuit breakers were trip, only items that run off shore power won't work, I do not have an inverter. Today after getting home last night (had to leave campground/ temp outside was 96) hook up to my 30amp power and still the same results. I have very limited electrical knowledge, I did plug in my Klein RT210 tester into all the outlets and they all were indicating hot/grd rev. Any help will be appreciated. 2019 Legacy 2 Hull 514 First thing I would try is replacing the GFCI outlet. 1 3 2010 Elite II, Hull #45. 2014 Toyota Sequoia Platinum 4WD 5.7 with tow package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators SeaDawg Posted August 7 Moderators Share Posted August 7 A gfci that won't reset is either bad, or is getting no power. If you're getting power, no tripped breaker, no loose connections at the gfci, replace the gfci. They usually go at a very inconvenient time. Part of their DNA, I guess 5 2008 Ram 1500 4 × 4 2008 Oliver Elite, Hull #12 Florida and Western North Carolina, or wherever the truck goes.... 400 watts solar. DC compressor fridge. No inverter. 2 x 105 ah agm batteries . Life is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRM Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 1 minute ago, SeaDawg said: A gfci that won't reset is either bad, or is getting no power. If you're getting power, no tripped breaker, no loose connections at the gfci, replace the gfci. They usually go at a very inconvenient time. Part of their DNA, I guess Yep, I always have two packed away. I've used them to help fellow campers but thankfully haven't needed to replace one of my own yet. 1 1 2010 Elite II, Hull #45. 2014 Toyota Sequoia Platinum 4WD 5.7 with tow package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collier and Joan Posted August 7 Author Share Posted August 7 what amp size of gfci do I need, any recommendations 2019 Oliver Legacy Elite II - Delivery Date Aug 29, 2019 Ford F150 XL Supercab - 3.5 EcoBoost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collier and Joan Posted August 7 Author Share Posted August 7 would the gfci going bad also cause the air conditioner not to work 2019 Oliver Legacy Elite II - Delivery Date Aug 29, 2019 Ford F150 XL Supercab - 3.5 EcoBoost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRM Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 27 minutes ago, Collier and Joan said: would the gfci going bad also cause the air conditioner not to work Ah, I missed that.. I don't think so. If it doesn't run off the GFCI then I would be looking for an open neutral or shorted wires somewhere. 2010 Elite II, Hull #45. 2014 Toyota Sequoia Platinum 4WD 5.7 with tow package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph and Dud B Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 Following. What's throwing me is the hot/ground reverse. What about the shore power cable? Do you, or a friend, have another 30 amp RV shore cable you could try? 1 Stephanie and Dudley from CT. 2022 LE2, Hull #1150: Eggcelsior. Tow vehicle: 2016 GMC Sierra 6.0 gas dually 4x4. Our Oliver journey: Steph and Dud B's RV Screed Where we've been RVing since 1999: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator+ ScubaRx Posted August 8 Moderator+ Share Posted August 8 4 hours ago, Steph and Dud B said: Following. What's throwing me is the hot/ground reverse. What about the shore power cable? Do you, or a friend, have another 30 amp RV shore cable you could try? If the hot and ground are shorted you'd be able to see that by testing for continuity at the pins on either end of the cord. It could actually happen if one were to crush (run over?) the cord on a hard surface like a concrete campsite pad. 2 Steve, Tali and our dog Rocky plus our beloved Storm, Lucy, Maggie and Reacher (all waiting at the Rainbow Bridge) 2008 Legacy Elite I - Outlaw Oliver, Hull #026 | 2014 Legacy Elite II - Outlaw Oliver, Hull #050 | 2022 Silverado High Country 3500HD SRW Diesel 4x4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRM Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 (edited) 4 hours ago, ScubaRx said: If the hot and ground are shorted you'd be able to see that by testing for continuity at the pins on either end of the cord. It could actually happen if one were to crush (run over?) the cord on a hard surface like a concrete campsite pad. But wouldn't the EMS be showing an error if that were the case? Sounds like he has a wiring or component issue beyond the EMS or a bad GFCI (but why no AC at the same time?). Really needs someone with electrical knowledge to take a look. Should be fairly easy problem to track down with a multimeter. Edit- One thing I wouldn't rely on is a plugin circuit tester when testing a GFCI circuit. When GFCI's go bad you can get inaccurate readings from them due to the internal circuitry of the outlet. Edited August 8 by CRM 1 2 1 2010 Elite II, Hull #45. 2014 Toyota Sequoia Platinum 4WD 5.7 with tow package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve and MA Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 Not an electrician here, but searching online suggests you could have a loose neutral wire. 2 Steve & Mary Allyn San Antonio, TX 2022 LE II Hull #969 "Un Œuf", 2021 MB Sprinter 3500 "Polly" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collier and Joan Posted August 8 Author Share Posted August 8 My EMS shows voltage 120 E0 Everything was working at campsite- ac was on, then all at once ac stop working/ frig came off ac/ outlets all when dead Look at gfci- had not trip but would not test, circuit breakers did not trip, outside shore breaker did not trip Got home hook up to designated 30amp Rv hookup and still no change, EMS still showed 120/E 0 All 12v appliances work 2019 Oliver Legacy Elite II - Delivery Date Aug 29, 2019 Ford F150 XL Supercab - 3.5 EcoBoost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRM Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 32 minutes ago, Collier and Joan said: My EMS shows voltage 120 E0 Everything was working at campsite- ac was on, then all at once ac stop working/ frig came off ac/ outlets all when dead Look at gfci- had not trip but would not test, circuit breakers did not trip, outside shore breaker did not trip Got home hook up to designated 30amp Rv hookup and still no change, EMS still showed 120/E 0 All 12v appliances work Since the EMS shows everything is fine, and all 120 outlets and appliances are down, the problem is more than likely between the EMS and the circuit panel or in the panel itself. Get someone over who is able to troubleshoot electrical and I'm sure they'll be able to find the problem fairly quick. 1 2010 Elite II, Hull #45. 2014 Toyota Sequoia Platinum 4WD 5.7 with tow package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator+ ScubaRx Posted August 8 Moderator+ Share Posted August 8 54 minutes ago, Collier and Joan said: Got home hook up to designated 30amp Rv hookup and still no change, EMS still showed 120/E 0 All 12v appliances work Have you looked inside the EMS box under the dinette? Pull the top off and check the wiring inside for a short. It will be obvious if there is one. 2 Steve, Tali and our dog Rocky plus our beloved Storm, Lucy, Maggie and Reacher (all waiting at the Rainbow Bridge) 2008 Legacy Elite I - Outlaw Oliver, Hull #026 | 2014 Legacy Elite II - Outlaw Oliver, Hull #050 | 2022 Silverado High Country 3500HD SRW Diesel 4x4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivernerd Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 (edited) 3 hours ago, Collier and Joan said: My EMS shows voltage 120 E0 Everything was working at campsite- ac was on, then all at once ac stop working/ frig came off ac/ outlets all when dead Look at gfci- had not trip but would not test, circuit breakers did not trip, outside shore breaker did not trip Got home hook up to designated 30amp Rv hookup and still no change, EMS still showed 120/E 0 All 12v appliances work Although you report you do not have an inverter, do you have a main 120V breaker? The symptoms you describe make me wonder. Also, do you have a multimeter and know how to use it? I carry a multimeter in our Hull # 1291. If you don't already own one, now is a great time to invest. The Klein MM325 is one good option: https://www.amazon.com/Klein-Tools-MM325-Multimeter-Manual-Ranging/dp/B0B57L9FNL/ref=sr_1_9?crid=3KFKT3QBJFTS4&keywords=klein%2Bmultimeter%2Btester%2Bmm450&qid=1707755646&sprefix=Klein%2Bmultimeter%2Btester%2Caps%2C232&sr=8-9&th=1 Study the owners manual and learn how to set the multimeter to test voltage on 120V circuits when connected to shore power. I would start with the power connections on the EMS (in the attic) to determine if you have any loose connections there and are getting voltage in the 110V to 125V range. If that checks out, I would next check the input connections on the back side of the 120V panel (ours is under the dinette seat). Finally, have you submitted a service ticket to Oliver? Oliver 's topnotch Service Department may know something we don't about the way Olivers without inverters are wired. Edited August 8 by Rivernerd 2 Hull #1291 Central Idaho 2022 Elite II Tow Vehicle: 2019 Tundra Double Cab 4x4, 5.7L with tow package Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collier and Joan Posted August 8 Author Share Posted August 8 I will check, I did not get the inverter option I only have the converter and progressive surge protector 2019 Oliver Legacy Elite II - Delivery Date Aug 29, 2019 Ford F150 XL Supercab - 3.5 EcoBoost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph and Dud B Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 1 hour ago, Rivernerd said: Although you report you do not have an inverter, do you have a main 120V breaker? The symptoms you describe make me wonder. Yep, that would do it. Didn't the OP say they cycled all the breakers, though? Could be a failed breaker... But, how is he getting any reading at all from the circuit tester if the circuit is dead? If the outlet's actually dead, the circuit tester wouldn't light at all. Could be a cascading failure, more than one failure point. Hot/neutral reversed caused some other damage to the GFCI or the AC unit. Or maybe the EMS is on Bypass?? @Collier and Joan: please verify the small black switch on your EMS display is not on Bypass. 5 Stephanie and Dudley from CT. 2022 LE2, Hull #1150: Eggcelsior. Tow vehicle: 2016 GMC Sierra 6.0 gas dually 4x4. Our Oliver journey: Steph and Dud B's RV Screed Where we've been RVing since 1999: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collier and Joan Posted August 8 Author Share Posted August 8 Ems is on normal, I did try bypass and nothing change other than ems screen going blank 2019 Oliver Legacy Elite II - Delivery Date Aug 29, 2019 Ford F150 XL Supercab - 3.5 EcoBoost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph and Dud B Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 1 hour ago, Collier and Joan said: Ems is on normal, I did try bypass and nothing change other than ems screen going blank Ok. What about a transfer switch? @Collier and Joan, do you have the optional front shoreline connection by the propane tanks? I think I remember someone saying their EMS only protected power coming through the street side connection. If the EMS was wired between the street side connector and the transfer switch, and the transfer switch was stuck in the front connector position, you would have good power at the EMS but nowhere else. (I don't know why anyone would wire a trailer that way, but you never know... That also doesn't explain the circuit tester readings, but hey...) @Collier and Joan, if you do have the front shoreline connector, have you tried connecting to power there? 1 Stephanie and Dudley from CT. 2022 LE2, Hull #1150: Eggcelsior. Tow vehicle: 2016 GMC Sierra 6.0 gas dually 4x4. Our Oliver journey: Steph and Dud B's RV Screed Where we've been RVing since 1999: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collier and Joan Posted Friday at 01:43 AM Author Share Posted Friday at 01:43 AM I don’t have the front shoreline connector 2019 Oliver Legacy Elite II - Delivery Date Aug 29, 2019 Ford F150 XL Supercab - 3.5 EcoBoost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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