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It does, thanks. Never knew that switch was also used as a reset. Regardless. You are correct, see photos above for pic of the control panel which works nicely. There is a power switch on the new WH which can be seen from the exterior view photo. You are also correct in that running the new black wire straight to ground and only connecting the red wires allows for the unit to work. Oddly enough as previously mentioned the new WH works perfectly with both the blue & yellow/green wire connected to the black wire from the WH. It will not work if using those two wires individually connected. This aspect is a mystery but clearly the two combined wires (blue, YG) create the same connection as running the WH black wire to ground. Given the location of the Oliver WH switch and lack of access at least on our hull it's not worth the trouble to eliminate that switch from the system but in theory yes it should be possible. Its not that big of a deal though to use, no different than years past with the old WH. Also @jd1923 good points on eliminating the AC wires at the panel. As for fuses for 12 V DC there is a fuse located directly on the new WH and they provided an extra with the kit. I would assume this more or less suffices for a fuse inline at the panel but maybe not.

Note about phantom voltage drops. As mentioned it can be due to active/passive devices in the signal path, but it can also be resistance/impedance in the circuit. Case in point, the composting fan my two month old Oliver stopped working. The odd thing was my DVM measured around 3VDC at the terminal - not enough to run the computer case style fan - indicating a circuit issue. Jerry at support gave me a great troubleshooting list, the first of course was to check the fuse, which is fine. I didn’t suspect that as it was getting a low voltage, it’s an inline glass fuse and was unbroken. But I put the fuse back and voila - it works. There must have been a poor connection in the fuse housing which gave enough resistance for a voltage droop, so reseating it fixed the problem. So general advice is to check every leg of the power rail, a little corrosion or a loose connection can/will introduce resistance.

You are on the right track. However as mentioned before, the blue wire is part of the Fault/Reset and it is grounded through the switch light as seen in the schematic. That is causing the voltage drop you were asking about. Don’t use the blue wire because it creates a resistive current path through the reset switch light. The yellow/green was the intended ground wire. It was probably grounded through the old WH chassis that’s now gone. You are right in thinking to re-ground it. However, I'd cap it off unused because apparently it's not be properly grounded on the switch side. Just connect the new WH black wire directly to ground. Only use the red wire from the switch. The on/off switch will work for the new WH, but the reset will be disconnected and not used. The AC side is completely separate as you know, although the AC ground might have been the original ground path for the yellow/green wire on the old units chassis. Having said that, isn’t the new unit controlled by a separate panel? Is a power switch required? I’d probably splice the red wire to bypass the switch, and blank off the switch to avoid any future confusion. Hope that helps!

I’m sure you know about that but make sure to only use freshly boiled/disinfected water. It’s not uncommon that somebody picks up a nasty pathogen doing this, because the sinuses are right on the border between inside and outside. I’m talking nice things like that brain eating worm and other such friendlies. Also of course do a serious disinfection of the container after/before every use. Anyhow One of the justifications for doing this is for when we have to bugout. We got hit some years ago with back to back wildfires, made the national news. Lightning strike up a valley complex, the fire traveled down the valley gathering steam and then blew out near us and completely wiped out everything in its path. There’s so much heat capacity by that point you can’t fight it, all the first responders can do it get people evacuated. Literally turns the place into a moonscape. Anyhow our house avoided getting hit being right at the edge but the National Guard doesn’t let anybody in or out, so we car camped for a couple weeks. My wife’s got PTSD about it so every fire season (late summer) she’s on edge watching the weather - the Santa Ana wind complex is prone to cause these (it goes up to N Ca too). This year if its looking bad we’ll just take a trip and take the stress off. Also yes while we’re still setting up the goal is to always have it fully ready to go literally at a moments notice. The main consideration is access to the storage lot. It’s 10 minutes from the house - good - but if you wait too long you might not be able to get to it, or leave. The people running the lot said during the fires they came out after hours and it was a madhouse of people hitching up and leaving. But that only works if they haven’t closed the roads yet. So we plan that if the wind forcast look bad we’ll just pre-emptively go camping. I don’t mind 😅

Yeah Rob, my head is surely not thinking clearly this week! Yes, all you need is low-amperage wiring since power is provided by LP. Given the Suburban had a 120VAC circuit breaker, I’d still want a 12VDC fuse in the panel for your new HWH! Also pull the original 120VAC wiring from the breaker panel, at least pull the black/hot wire off the breaker, so the other end at the HWH is dead. You’ll have a 120VAC breaker available if you need to add a new circuit for another 120VAC appliance! 😎 Great looking installation! Update us later on your experiences with the Fogatti tankless HWH!

I'm sure glad things went well, JD. Blessings from us :)

Glad to hear all went well! Our Olivers are definitely a home away from home. We’ve used ours as temporary lodging for various non-camping/traveling reasons over the years. Hope you are back to 100% soon! Mike

A Harvest Host member can check their map for MO wineries that take campers. We let our HH lapse for now so I can’t check. Mike

@jd1923 Wow, what an ordeal! I'm glad that you're feeling better and have that all behind you now! It's great that you had all the comforts of home while getting the procedure. Best wishes for a speedy recovery!

Thanks @Geronimo John and @jd1923 for the additional comments. Clearly I have not provided adequate information regarding the install. No the Fogatti WH only uses 12 VDC to run the internal circuits, sensors etc and which also then feeds back to its remote control which is a nifty device itself. The power to heat water is only through propane and not AC and certainly not DC voltage. The wires themselves coming from the Fogatti are probably 16 AWG or 18 AWG at best and they are intended to connect to the same wires that fed the Suburban sensors circuit board, nothing more. Attaching a few photos below to illustrate (hopefully) the layout and wiring situation. I will be crimping those connections later on today rather than the wire nuts but used those just to make sure everything is working ok before proceeding to final installation. In the first photo the black and red wires represent those coming from the WH and as you can see I have red to red (+) and black to blue & green/yellow (- & GND). The new WH works fine this way oddly enough. The next photo is the same just pulled back further to illustrate the entire enchilada a bit better Remote below with two blue wires (non polarity) from the same wiring harness of the new WH inside the basement where the new WH is installed using 1/4 - 20 SS screws, lock nuts and fender washers rather than the pitiful pop rivets initially used for the Suburban WH. Note this IS a two person job. 1/4-20 stainless steel screws viewed from the outside though the bottom row I used self tapping Big Timber screws into a block behind the FG wall. There simply is not access to tighten nuts and screws on the bottom row. Everybody knows what a locking nut looks like but just in case someone else tries this method thought might be helpful.

Missouri is home to more than 130 commercial wineries and vineyards, ranging from historic estates in the "Missouri Rhineland" to urban wineries in Kansas City and St. Louis. Below is a list of commercial vineyards and wineries in Missouri, categorized by region. Missouri River Valley & Central (Hermann, Augusta, Rocheport) This region contains the Augusta AVA, the first federally designated American Viticultural Area in the U.S. · Adam Puchta Winery (Hermann) – Award winning and the oldest continuously family-owned farm winery in the U.S. · Augusta Winery (Augusta) – Award winning. · Balducci Vineyards (Augusta) · Blumenhof Vineyards & Winery (Dutzow) · Hermannhof Winery (Hermann) – Award winning. · Montelle Winery (Augusta) – Award winning. · Mount Pleasant Estates (Augusta) · Noboleis Vineyards (Augusta) – Award winning · OakGlenn Vineyards and Winery (Hermann) · Röbller Vineyard and Winery (New Haven) · Stone Hill Winery (Hermann) – Award winning and one of the largest and most historic wineries in the state. · The Blufftop at Rocheport (formerly Les Bourgeois Vineyards) (Rocheport) - Award winning. Southeast (Ste. Genevieve, St. James, Farmington) Known for its deep French colonial history and the Ozark Highlands AVA. · Cave Vineyard (Ste. Genevieve) · Charleville Vineyard Winery & Brewery (Ste. Genevieve) · Chaumette Vineyards & Winery (Ste. Genevieve) · Crown Valley Winery (Ste. Genevieve) · St. James Winery (St. James) – Award winning and Missouri’s largest winery by volume. · Sainte Genevieve Winery (Ste. Genevieve) · Sand Creek Vineyard (Farmington) · Watertower Winery (Ste. Genevieve) · Edg-Clif Vineyard, Winery & Brewery (Potosi) Northwest & Kansas City Metro A mix of rural vineyards and modern urban tasting rooms. · Amigoni Urban Winery (Kansas City) · Arcadian Moon Vineyards and Winery (Higginsville) · Belvoir Winery (Liberty) · Fence Stile Vineyards & Winery (Excelsior Springs) · Jowler Creek Vineyard & Winery (Platte City) – Award winning · Pirtle Winery (Weston) · Riverwood Winery (Rushville) · Stonehaus Farms Vineyard and Winery (Lee's Summit) · TerraVox Vineyards (Weston) – Specializes in rare native North American grapes. Southwest & Ozark Mountains Features scenic views and several wineries near the popular recreation areas of Branson and Springfield. · 7C's Winery (Walnut Grove) · Bear Creek Wine Company (Walnut Shade) · Keltoi Vineyard & Winery (Oronogo) · Lindwedel Winery (Branson) · Ozark Hills Winery (Branson) · St. Francois Vineyards (Park Hills) Additional Commercial Wineries · Apple Creek Vineyard & Winery (Friedheim) · Baltimore Bend Vineyard (Waverly) · Black Silo Winery (Trenton) · Canterbury Hill Winery (Holts Summit) · Dale Hollow Winery (Stover) · Serenity Valley Winery (Fulton) · Seven Springs Winery (Linn Creek) · Wildlife Ridge Winery (Smithton)

I have a new project, and I am happy if you want to help. Below is a list of Missouri wineries. I am going to find the ones that would accommodate RV visitors or ones with state and national park RV camping close by. Please provide any updates to help the list. Some research projects can be a lot of fun. Thanks

Get well soon, and hopefully a quick recovery

New twist on this thread.. Over the last two weeks, I’ve undergone major sinus surgery after a year+ of severe sinusitis. Went down to Phoenix to see a top ENT in AZ and he worked his magic for 4 hours, OMG! We trailered the Oliver last week to Cave Creek park where the camping is very comfortable, 40 minutes from the outpatient center. Three nights here, two overnights post-surgery, relaxing in the Oliver to recoup! The Oliver truly is a survival vehicle, in fact it’s a portable intensive care unit. I felt as comfortable as being home with everything I needed at arms reach! 😎 The first night post-op was a bear! Then 6 days of agony… We towed down to Cave Creek again, two consecutive weeks. We could have just been here 10 days, but Chris and I had things to do at home. Post-op appoint yesterday, I couldn’t wait (will spare you the details). Everything went well! After a saline rinse, I feel GREAT today! We have another 2 hours here, coffee in the Sun, ‘til checkout time, then we tow 4000 ft up the mountain to return home! We will always have our Oliver for so many life experiences. Our home away from home is a wonderful retreat. I’m sure yours is too! 😎

I was thinking “new DC run” and GJ laid out the circuit logic perfectly! See what fuse and wire gauge Fogatti specs in their documentation. I would locate a spare or empty position in the 12VDC fuse panel to do this right. The last thing you want is more inline fuses under beds! This is a major appliance. Source wiring should start at the main +/- buses with the positive running through the fuse panel. 😎

I always thought it was not a great sign when a vendor would spend an entire week at a rally having to fix their product.

I read somewhere recently that they're not using *any* Truma products in the new models.

Forgive me if I am not understanding your problem. But here is what I am thinking: Your Hull #70 is most likely set up like my 2018. A hot water requires a bunch of energy. It can get that energy from propane or 120 volt. The switch on the unit activates the 120V AC power to heat the water. The switch inside just activates the circuit board. Our hulls are not set up to power up hot water from the DC source. It is not like the refergerator that is. The Suburban hot water heater needs energy from three systems. The 120 V lines provide alot of power to the unit if your outside switch is on to use 120V power to do the heavy lifting (heating water) The DC power to to the gas solenoid valve to provide propane to heat the water if you want it to do the heavy lifting. But regardless of how you want to provide the energy to heat the water, you also must have DC to the circuit board. Those wires are not sized to provide power to heat the water. The DC wires are there only to provide power to the circuit board. Put a massive load on them and one would think you would blow it's fuse. Likely the reason your not blowing the fuse is that your new demand hot water has a sensor that will not energize it's heating coils unless the voltage is high enough to work properly. IF THIS IS YOUR PROBLEM Then you have a larger project than you anticipated as you'll need to run a new DC + and - to your demand hot water heater. I sure hope I am missing the boat on this one. GJ

I'm interested in weather or not they kept the John Deer Truma water heater. Would be nice not to require a certified tech work work on the dang thing. Tankless uses more water anyways... so I've heard via comparisons.

Here's the direct link Bulldog HD Shock Absorber Replaces 555001 For Trailer Leaf Spring Retro Kit Oh my goodness $39.38, something cheap for a change (yeah need four - or eight? Four I think)

From another thread about the X23 2027 model, the offroad version includes (drumroll) 😊 Four or five leaf? Five I'll guess. Good for Alcan this is a regular business for them. Well that's good enough for me, I'll order my set before too long. I went through most of the thread but don't recall a link or specs for the bulldogs, can anybody provide a link?

Ah just noticed the spec sheet link above Why in the heck is this CHEAPER than the Platinum Pro I got? Probably because the base battery is 400Ah and it doesn't include extra goodies. Fully specced it'll be up there Power is now the EcoFlow. I like the control box. Not super fond of fancy displays They listened to the peanut gallery "Bulldog HD Shocks & Alcan Leaf Springs" 😊 Four or five leaf springs? 48V Houghton AC Flex solar is cool. Problem is getting to use it, I'm usually either in shade or there's too much wind How in the heck does the Pro have a 1,360W solar? It must come standard with the solar Girard On the 2027 they made a bunch of changes I like the stainless sink - kind of wish mine had that instead of molded in. I might do that mod Why is the bluetooth speaker back by the stove? On my recommendation they moved to the TV - you don't want a speaker in the heat. This was probably in proto before that mod, or maybe they did that just for me? This goes back to the framed in window shades. I love my roller shades fwiw, the trim color valances add a lot of nice design. Looks like a 2026 model only, too bad I think its an improvement I think @jd1923 made this mod? Unfortunately the dinette isn't really that comfortable any way you cut it Well anyhow glad to see them adding models. Fortunately I don't have buyers remorse, I'm upgrading to Alcan/Bulldog myself, and in theory I could upgrade to Girard solar too. But with 220 kWh on the truck with 10kW available to the trailer I don't need any extra solar. Before somebody asks - no a 1.3 kW panel won't charge the truck worth beans.

They dropped a video this morning, mainly just advertising splash FWIW my opinion so far Color scheme: Not my taste. The black trim will take more sun damage and takes away from the elegance of the design language. It's a hard black and white which is way to constrasty, if they could have gone with a softer black it would work but I think the windows set it to a hard black. Also black shows up scratches and dirt like nobody's business. That black AC will absorb heat and age faster Fully opening window: From a 2026 owner; a step backwards. I can't tell you how easy and convenient it is to crack the bedside window at night. The sliders would be more challenging I think, and this one, you'd have to get your hand around the window shade and push it somehow, assuming the levers are open. I really don't understand why people want a fully opening window, it doesn't offer anything new 48V system Been in a lot of discussions of this because the Cybertruck went 48V. My engineering opinion; it doesn't offer you anything. The only technical improvements are thinner battery cables and better power/torque delivery for motors. But they will still have to supply 12V as not every device will support 24V, and for the 12V cig ports. So it'll be a stacked/split system, mostly likely they'll just also have a series 24v connection to the battery, and split 12V rails for those. I could see the power jacks benefiting, assuming a 48V system. Oh maybe the inverter too - that would be more efficient. Who knows, maybe 48V lets them get to a 4k inverter which honestly would be nice (Xantrex doesn't have one AFAIK though) Offgrid tires Look cool, but probably lower efficiency, harder to replace (?), and since they don't provide motor traction of limited use. Cost: Probably $$$, I kind of doubt they'll have all those parts in black from the supplier