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We’ve all had those “Awwww Shoot” moments where you wish you could have a do-over of the past few minutes. In July of last year I had taken the Outlaw Oliver back to the factory for an upgrade to the body where the rear jacks exit. This modification is now built into the mold and is standard on all current production models. While there I accidentally allowed the upper left rear corner of the trailer to come in contact with an “immovable” object. The first three pics show the results of that encounter. [attachment file=DSC_0918.JPG] [attachment file=DSC_0919.JPG] [attachment file=DSC_0921.JPG] The next day at the factory Phil Andrews started work on the hole. First, gel coat was ground away and the deformed piece was pushed back into position. Then the grinding, filling and polishing began. Now, you can't tell the hole was ever there. I cringe to think what a repair like this would cost if it had been an Airstream. I love fiberglass.

I may have misunderstood the systems in my observations, also. Between the folks here on the forum and at the factory, I'm confident someone will shed light on your question.

Even though I'm not interested in installing this type of toilet, y'all have me interested in learning more about black/grey water tanks. Looked at our Ollie and the bottom of the black water tank is level with the top of the grey water tank. Does not look like gravity flow from the grey tank to black tank will work between tanks. A drop suction tube with check valve could be placed in the top of the grey tank, 12V water pump placed in line to transfer water from grey water tank through a drop tube placed in the top of the black water tank. The closest valve is the black water tank, the black water tank is to the left of the valve with 2 to 3" of fall to valve. The other valve is the grey water back flow valve:

I thought the connection in the Wynn's video was the common drain and that they just put a third valve on the end. Or maybe I misunderstood what they did, or misunderstand how the Oliver's tanks are connected. Oliver needs to let me 'borrow' a trailer for a while so I can properly research these things. edit - looks like Bill beat me to it!

A connection would need to be made between the two tanks somewhere inside the coach area. That would allow gray water to fill one tank then overflow into the black tank.

Here's the combined black/grey water tanks outlet in the Ollie bumper connecting to the drain hose: Don't know if the drain valve has enough room be rotated/secured to the existing outlet fitting, like in Laps video, without removing the top top diamond plate aluminum cover. If the cover has to be removed, the rivets can be drilled out, cover lifted, valve installed, cover with rivets installed. Edit: The more I watch Wynns video, looks like the top diamond plate cover will not have to be removed. Hope this helps! :)

When the Wynns did theirs they connected the gray and black together for more gray water capacity. I like this idea and it should not be too difficult a mod.

Volts are a very poor (at best) indirect measure of power, and only valid IF the battery has been disconnected from all loads and chargers for 24 hours. Watts are the actual measure of power. Amps are the most reliable way of determining battery capacity remaining. If batteries are run down to 40-50% very often their lifespan will be measurably reduced. A quote from Battery University ( http://batteryuniversity.com/ ): "The battery is a feeble vessel that is slow to fill, holds limited energy, runs for a time like a wind-up toy, fades and eventually becomes a nuisance. It exhibits human qualities in that it needs recuperation from the daily travails by applying a long and restful charge. It then delivers for a time and quits on its own terms. Some batteries need as much charging time as they deliver, and there is a resemblance to growing teenagers." Battery University has a lot of useful info and you can get as deep into it as you can stand.

I have to agree. For its small size, Oliver has been very willing to incorporate new features into its production line. It wouldn't surprise me if their R&D folks are some of the same guys assembling these quality trailers.

Just received an email from Christine. The NH toilet installation is in place of the standard flush toilet, but everything else in the black system remains - black tank, fresh and waste plumbing, dump valve, and shut-off valve. She said it is not practical to install a fresh water tank or storage underneath and it would be too hard and costly to install a regular toilet if the other parts were not there. Cost of the Natures Head option is $800. Sorry, but IMHO this is utter BS. If I wanted TWO complete waste systems I would be happy as can be, but this approach is bogus. If Oliver is going to offer the composting toilet, then they should engineer and offer a creative solution for 2.5 cubic feet of unused space under the bathroom floor. I am bummed. How about you guys? John Davies Spokane WA