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Given the recent price drop on the Garmin 890 I bought one.  Even though my old Garmin (nuvi 2797) has a 7 inch screen I thought that the 8 inch screen of the 890 plus the added RV related features available on it would really help me since most often I tow my Oliver solo.

Upon receiving the new unit I found that the advertised features are, indeed, what they say they are - really very nice.  The touch screen also is better than previous models I've tried and both the Bluetooth and WiFi functions performed without a hitch as does the trip planning and all other features I tried.

The nuvi 2797 is attached to whatever mounting system via a 7mm ball and socket.  However, probably due to the overall size and slightly increased weight, Garmin has gone to a 1 inch ball and socket (Garmin says 21.83mm but the one inch is close enough).  That meant that I could not use my "bean bag mount" unless I obtained a new mounting arm with the larger sized ball.  In looking at this more closely, I took the 890 out to the truck (and car) and found that even though the new unit is only 1 inch larger, it takes up too much of the viewing area when looking out the windshields of both the car and the truck (2017 F150).  I've never been a fan of those suction windshield mounts and found that with my old GPS supported by the bean bag mount it was at a good level without obscuring the windshield too much, but, the 890 is simply too big.  So, the issue was/is with the slanted (towards the interior) "storage tray" that is in the center of the dash on the Ford, how could I mount this 890 so that it "cleared" they top of the storage tray and still could be lowered so as to not obscure the windshield too much.

I believe that the answer is to install the  dash mount rack made by Builtright Industries.  There is an installation video on their website and it should be a fairly simple process to hardwire the GPS and maybe even a USB port at the same time of the install (think cell phone here).  With the addition of a simple RAM mount extension arm I will then be able to slightly lower the large screen while at the same time get the screen placed just a tad closer to my normal seating position. 

If anyone has a better idea - please let me know!

Bill

OffroadAlliance.com currently has the dash mount rack on sale at $38.25

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Bill, that is very cool, and I am a huge fan of RAM mounts, but my concern would be unwanted reflections in the windshield. Those bug the heck out of me, I much prefer stuff to be down, below the lip of the dash cover. It does look like a solid and versatile piece of kit. Can something similar be mounted lower down?

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Or you could install a flat black Dashmat carpet cover over the whole area, and make a small “hat” out of black felt to cover the mount parts. That would look a little odd but would completely kill all reflections. Every car I ever owned has had a black dash cover, they work really really well. The light colors, not at all, they reflect into the glass.

 https://www.covercraft.com/us/en/dash-covers

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JD - 

Yes, I also stumbled across another mount that fits in the "slot" between the air vents and nav/control screen.  However, it was basically designed for only one device at a time and the install was considerably more involved.  As the picture you posted shows, it will not be difficult to get the Garmin to sit about half way above and below the front of the dash.  This will still give access to the controls above the nav/control screen while also not blocking that much of the view out of the windshield - kind of picture the Garmin "ball which is centered on the back of the unit right where the RAM mount is in the picture.

Bill

p.s.  when I purchased the truck in 2017 I immediately had window tint (street legal of course) put on the two side windows and a strip added to the windshield to aid in blocking some of the light and reflection from that large glass.  It is much better than the 2011 model that I had and the front side windows now more closely match the very dark tint of those read windows.

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Now that I have the Garmin 890 installed along with the Builtright rack for the dash tray on the Ford (150 or 250), here are a couple of pics.  Hardwiring the 12 volt/2 slot USB that used 3M double sided tape to attach to the underside of the Builtright rack was a bit un-nerving but not really difficult - let me know if you want details.

With the adjustable RAM mount I can move the GPS to a more comfortable position as compared to my old GPS which actually had to sit up on the dash a bit too far away to make changes on the fly.  And, even given the weight of the 890, the RAM mounts hold the screen securely and without vibration.

The Garmin 890 is really very nice - it should be for its "sale" price of $400.  But, the inclusion of data for campgrounds, dump stations, propane outlets, truck stops, Walmarts, Cracker Barrels, etc., really make this unit much more useful as compared to my old Garmin.

The traffic and on the fly fuel price functions of the 890 are obtained via a Garmin app connected to the 890 via bluetooth.  I've not had a chance (yet) to test these features.

Questions?

Bill

 

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TG (Bill),

Have you gone out to the Garmin site to upgrade maps/sw since you received it?  No matter how new these products are, they seem to need updates by the time you purchase/install it.

Mine should arrive this week.  It will be going into our 2010 GMC 1500.   I will look into the mount you have, and maybe swing it to the “CO-PILOT/NAVIGATOR side of the Cab”.  Its either that or being reminded to “KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE !@#$%^&* ROAD”.  I choose the more calming option.

We both work on setting up routes using the PC/SW at home when planning, but travelling… not my job.  If we want to modify a route ahead of time, we try to do that “out of the Cab”.  However that does not stop us from spontaneously going on a “Mr. Toads Wild Ride”, but isn’t that is part of the adventure.

 

 

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Yes, since I already have the Garmin Express program on my computer due to the nuvi2797, it was easy to bring that program up, plug in the new 890 to the computer and add the new device (the 890) to the list of Garmins I have.  From there the "Express" program automatically checks for both GPS software and maps updates.  In my case, both were needed.  However, instead of this process taking a couple of hours to update, as was the case with my 2797, the 890 only took about 1/2 hour.

These RAM mounts are really nice.  I have used them in the past on various motorcycles but never before in the truck.  Note that Garmin says that the ball mount on the 890 is 21.83 mm which is a bit smaller than the one inch ball of the RAM mounts.  But, after comparing the two side by side, I really could not see any difference and can happily tell you that the one sent with the 890 works very well with the RAM extension arm.  Frankly, I was pleasantly surprised by how stable the 890 is hanging off that 5 1/2 inch arm.  I'd strongly suggest to wait until you have the 890 in hand before you decide where or how you want to mount it in your 1500.  I found that simply having it attached to the windshield or sitting on the dash blocked way too much of the view out the front.  Certainly the screen is big enough to mount in the center of the cockpit so both people can see it and the navigator can easily take the 890 off the "head" unit in order to more comfortably look for rest areas, gas stations, campgrounds, shopping, restaurants, etc..  As I tried to show in the pics above, my mounting area gets the screen out of my direct line of sight but still gives me access to all of the controls on the dash and even a view of the navigation screen in the center console.

Perhaps Builtright Industries makes a mounting system similar to what they make for the Ford that gives you several different options.  As you can see, I have plenty of room to mount my TPMS and/or a cell phone to the Builtright rack.

I really think that you will enjoy the 890 when you get it.

Bill

p.s.  My 890 was manufactured in November but still needed the updates mentioned above.

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We have an older F-350 (2013) with no in-dash navigation, just a regular satellite/am fm radio/CD player.  We found a CD slot mount works well since the CD player is just below the dash.  Had to purchase a 1"ball.  I'll share a picture when I get the chance to take one.

@topgun2 I knew, as soon as we paid full price for the 890, there would be a price drop!  Couldn't wait, though as we needed it to get us to Hohenwald to pick up our Elite II.  The Garmin worked great; did a great job of keeping us going the right direction.  I do still need to practice some with the features as I know we aren't taking advantage of them all.  

One thing I can't seem to get is how to select an alternate route.  Garmin seems to want to pick one with no options to redirect.  Perhaps someone can clue me in as to how to do this.  The only way I've had success is to break the trip up into small segments with destinations along the route we prefer.

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Bill, what a nice installation, it looks slick! 

FYI about map updates, do them often. They come out about every three months. When installing, look at Options and choose to install a copy on your computer. Their BaseCamp PC or Mac mapping application works pretty well for a free app, but any updated maps have to go onto your computer as well as your device.

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Map files are huge, try to delete older ones off your computer rather than just letting them accumulate. The new one that goes onto your device over-writes the old one; NOT so with the ones that go onto your home machine.

Also you can add a few “custom” map types to your device and to BaseCamp, like 24K state topographic maps. These have to be downloaded from another site like .... https://www.gpsfiledepot.com/maps/ .... and then loaded using the Garmin Map Install app.

https://www.gpsfiledepot.com/tutorials/

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BlueHighways - 

If you plan on hardwiring your Garmin after you receive it, please drop me a PM and we can talk about getting that job done without cracking, denting or otherwise destroying any of that nice plastic that is your dash.

Ray & Susan - 

I've not used the "alternative route" function on the 890 yet.  But, I'll take a look at it soon and send along any "wisdom" that I can.

Bill

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Ray & Susan - 

I've just looked into the "alternate route" issue and from what that quick look gave me it appears fairly easy.  Take the route that is calculated and then save it.  Bring up that saved route and a list of the start, end and all stops in between will come up.  Touch the wrench in the upper left hand corner of the screen and then chose shape route or route preference.  You can then touch the map to draw around sections you don't want to see or chose dirt roads or shortest route (mileage wise).  I've not found a way (yet) of getting it to show several alternative routes on the same screen in the manner that Google maps does.

Bill

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On 12/15/2020 at 2:02 PM, topgun2 said:

Ray & Susan - 

I've just looked into the "alternate route" issue and from what that quick look gave me it appears fairly easy.  Take the route that is calculated and then save it.  Bring up that saved route and a list of the start, end and all stops in between will come up.  Touch the wrench in the upper left hand corner of the screen and then chose shape route or route preference.  You can then touch the map to draw around sections you don't want to see or chose dirt roads or shortest route (mileage wise).  I've not found a way (yet) of getting it to show several alternative routes on the same screen in the manner that Google maps does.

Bill

Thanks for investigating for me.  Being accustomed to Google Maps, both on the computer and in my car's GPS - 2015 BMW X5 navigation is based on Google Maps.  What is really nice about this is that I can create trips at home, on the computer, and send them to the car or phone.

 

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Bill,

Thanks for the great write up on the Garmin 890 and install.
We placed our order for the 890 and look forward to possibly a similar install.

- David 

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On 12/14/2020 at 11:31 AM, topgun2 said:

Hardwiring the 12 volt/2 slot USB that used 3M double sided tape to attach to the underside of the Builtright rack was a bit un-nerving but not really difficult - let me know if you want details.

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Bill,

Fantastic install ...thanks for posting.

I would like some more info on the 12V adapter.  Did you wire in a USB/12V outlet plug into that upper tray? 
I'd be interested in knowing the part for that plug.

Craig

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Craig - 

Thanks to both you and Patriot for the kind words.

The 12 volt outlet that I used is THIS.  I mounted this to the underside of the Builtright rack with double sided 3M VBR tape.  Then I drilled a small hole in the bottom of the Ford's dash tray to feed the outlet's wires through and attached the negative to a bolt (to ground to the frame of the truck) that is located directly below the tray.  Then I ran the power wire down to the 12 volt outlet that is in the Ford's dash and spliced into the power wire coming out of the back of that socket.  All of this is fairly easy as long as you are "gentle" making sure that you do not break any of the plastic clips holding your dash together.  There are a number of YouTube videos showing how this is done.

Bill

p.s.  The actual outlet I purchased at WalMart has one 12 volt socket and two USB ports in it versus the two 12 volt sockets shown in the socket on Amazon.  I did this because I plan on using the 12 volt outlet for the Garmin and at least one of the USB ports for a cell phone.  Also, as far as I'm aware, most of the dash cams and my TPMS can/are powered by USB and if I want to mount either or both on the rack I will have the power right there.

Further, I should note that when all is put together, I can not see the outlet from either the driver's or passenger's seat.  I take the Garmin's power cord, plug it into the outlet and then stuff the excess wire under the rack - you can't see any of it and yet the Garmin can easily be dismounted from the rack and transferred into another vehicle.

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Perfect thanks for the info.

 

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You're welcome.

The 12 volt socket that I used is very similar to THIS ONE versus the one I link to above but (for what its worth) I think the one at WalMart was a touch cheaper.

In conversations with Patriot, he has told me that his new Ford Tremor has powered switches at the top of the windshield - bottom of the headliner.  If an easy way of feeding the power wire exists to allow going through the firewall where the fuse box is located for these switches, wiring into these would provide a slick result with the ability to switch on/off the power to the rack.  I did consider "fishing" the power wire over to the fuse panel that is located on the outside of the passenger footwell.  Once there I would have found a circuit like the one for the sun roof that is switched via the ignition.  But, obviously, I was simply too lazy and since the Garmin doesn't consume very much power (particularly when the screen is off) I'm not worried about draining my battery if I forget to unplug the Garmin when I stop for the night.

Bill

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My 890 arrived yesterday and I am still thinking through this install. As TG mentioned I do have the optional upfitter switches (pic) one of which will likely be my 890 power source. The builtright mounting bracket is on its way from the supplier. And I already had a new ram mount in my shop that I had never opened from my previous 2 wheeled moto years. My only concern with the ram mount arm length from the mounting ram ball mounting point on the Builtright.
Which begs the question? Is there any noticeable screen bounce or screen vibration when driving down secondary roads using the longer ram arm mount?
In a recent conversation with TG, I believe he mentioned he saw no noticeable screen bounce or vibs on the smoother super slab on a recent trip.  Over thinking, Yes.. guilty.😎

Over head upfitter switches- 

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