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Geo, I think you just got the correct and final answer on this. So, we use the jacks at our own risk, which, of course, we were doing anyway. Sounds like you got a logical answer from Oliver. They designed the trailer to use the jacks for leveling and lifting, but the jack manufacturer recommends we don't lift with them, possibly for liability reasons. I'll stabilize with them, but not to the point of lifting the trailer off the ground, and I'll use them for emergency tire changes. In the shop, and for normal maintenance, the floor jack under the spring plates will be used. Another minor point about it: On the front jack, it's main function is lifting the trailer and holding it off the ground. And doing so for as long as the trailer is parked. It takes all the tongue weight, all the time, unless the trailer is hitched up. Same jack as the rear ones, but it's OK to lift with it and not the rears. Hmmm. Getting tired of whipping a dead horse here. I'm comfortable with going ahead with what I was already doing.

Last year, I sort of hijacked John Davies thread on clothesline with questions on Hasko hooks, so I thought I'd start a new thread this time. Canoe12 and try2relax both reported great luck with this hook.Hasko hook I came across a chrome towel ring at Bealls outlet a few days ago, with a similar suction cup attachment. At $6, I figured it was worth a try, as the suction attachment looked very similar, minus the knurls on the (plastic) knob. I tried it out in the house-- upstairs guest bath. That's a tough test, as none of my trailer suction cup accessories work on the matte/ finely striated tile in that shower. But this one did. Two days so far, with a big bath towel on a ring meant for a hand towel. Looking forward to using it in the Oliver this summer. Still available at many places online... Everloc towel ring. They also have hooks, towel bars, and toothbrush holders, etc, in chrome. Sherry

Sometime over the next three weeks I plan to travel over to the sea. Has anyone ever stayed at or near Edisto Beach? I understand that Huntington Beach State Park might still be closed. Any suggestions for a nice mid-week three or four days stay in this area? Bill

I wrote Jason and this is my question and response. "1. the 2017 legacy Elite 2 owners manual says that you can use the electric jacks to lift the trailer to change a tire. The 2018 manual says to use a jack. What changed? *I’m not sure what changed as we do not manufacture the jacks used on our trailers. Barker Manufacturing has stated that they should not be used for lifting the trailer off the ground even if only lifting one side to change a tire." My guess is since Barker does not recommend it, Oliver has made this change to reduce any liability if something goes wrong?

I have a good map system and a lot of the new maps eliminate roads that are still there and being used for whatever the usfw reasoning is... Just hit your search area on landmatters and then hit the "i" or info tab and click on the map to get a list of all of the maps available for .PDF download. I popped this one for you. Landmatters has a ton of books and info in the library also. https://geonames.usgs.gov/apex/f?p=262:18:0::NO:RP:P18_STATE%2CP18_SCALE%2CP18_MAP_NAME%2CP18_MAP_TYPE:WA,24000,42545,Historical Just click the "download topo maps" button like here. http://www.mylandmatters.org/Maps/Topo/GetMap Then zoom in, click the i, then the list opens. I have terabytes of maps also! Haha

I'd like to have them give a demonstration on that method. The subframe is very close to the tire and high off the ground for a normal jack. Tire changes must be done in less than optimal places and done as quickly as possible when alongside a highway. The area could be rocky, sloping or soft sand. I'm going with the original plan and what they used to say was OK. On the road, the built in jacks will get the job done quickly. In the shop, a floor jack under the spring plate is safe, stable and stress free for the trailer. Unless, of course, if Oliver changes their tune and begins to tell us the trailer jacks will break and drop the trailer. But that would mean they have a design issue, as it used to be OK. And that would mean they have to be quiet and ignore it until it goes away.

We use gaia for hiking more than driving, but it's proven worth the small cost. You just have to remember to download the maps ahead of time, which makes it less useful for us when driving since we tend to plan day to day. Or hour by hour. Boer maak 'n plan.

Reed, your comments are 100% valid - a pay for use app is not needed for many folks, but those free apps do usually depend on being able to stream the data, or you have to spend the time and hassle before the trip caching it, which is a serious pain in the butt. For example, the very latest Google Terrain maps are stunning compared to the previous version, but you cannot download them like their road maps. If you could, then they would be very useful for off grid travel. When I travel on major highways in the middle of WA, other than the Interstates, I usually have major cellular dead zones. I need downloaded data. GAIA free comes with only a crippled low detail topo base map with no road labels. In reality the only use for it is to provide additional side coverage where the higher level map coverage quits. The standard membership gives you many different map types, most of which are downloadable. Overnight I downloaded 26 gb of NFS 2016 maps, which are kept current, unlike my huge outdated stack of paper ones. For me, this is huge...., since I am always exploring new forests and don’t like the hassle of buying new maps or driving without. The premium version adds MUMs (NFS motor use info), POIs, hunting boundaries, extra detail topo lines, etc, etc, plus the ability to layer up to five different maps, for example, POIs and Private Land Ownership info layered over USGS topo maps. Creating a route is really easy online or on your device, it snaps to the road, track or trail, the labels are dynamic (change size and angle as you zoom and rotate) and all your waypoint, route and track data is automatically backed up to the Cloud. Plus it is syncced to any other devices. If you really like the app you can get a five year membership and it is only $25 annually for the highest level - I think that is very reasonable. I have been happily using Motion X GPS HD for many years. It has similar capabilities, but GAIA is way, WAY more complete, refined and elegant. I expect I will migrate all my old waypoints to this new app and stop using MotionX. Again, most casual campers don’t need the full capabilities of GAIA, but a free subscription can show them if it can be useful. Free is always good. John Davies Spokane WA