Bath Door Failure

[Galway Girl]

Our 2019 EII bathroom door is no longer functioning.  When trying to open it has dropped down and sticks on the bottom frame.  We have to now vertically lift the door to open and close . 
 

Anyone know how the door hinge is supposed to be adjusted?

I’m considering placing a nylon pivot block in the bottom left (hinge corner) to hold the door up. 

 

Craig

[topgun2]

3 minutes ago, Galway Girl said:

Anyone know how the door hinge is supposed to be adjusted?

I'm virtually positive that this would not be the first time Oliver Service has worked on the bath door.

I'm sure that Jason and/or Mike could point you in the right direction.  If you decide to contact them, I'd highly recommend that you attach a couple of pics along with your questions.

Good luck!

Bill

[Corvus]

I've had the same problem with mine. Initially when I inspected it I found the door and frame to be surprisingly square and the mitered joints to be firm enough to resist torquing easily by tugging on them. The only points of visible wear were a little at the latch and the plastic seal thing at the bottom. The odd thing to me was that the door would lift a little when closing and drop when opening. Thought that was a feature.

Recently I looked closer at the hinge and think I found the issue. The hinge is a solid aluminum pin flange running top to bottom though the barrel. It is  held in place  At each end by a there is a small steel bar that is tapped for a screw that holds the pin in place. It looks like the top hard steel bar grinds on the soft aluminum pin shaving it away letting the door drop slowly over time.

My thoughts to remedy this is to place something like washers on the pin to raise and protect it, but I have not had the time to remove the door to see what could be done.

Hopefully this will make a lot more sense with these photos.

This is the bottom of the hinge with me  lifting the door up. Couldn't get the image to orient properly.

 

This is the top hinge, notice how the top of the pin is getting deformed. I think the angle on the top of the pin explains why the door lifts when closing.

 

This is the top hinge with me lifting the door up, so there's a considerable amount of play.

 

 

Edited September 17 by Corvus
Clarity and correct my explanation after looking closer at the door hinge.

[Corvus]

21 hours ago, Galway Girl said:

21 hours ago, Galway Girl said:

I’m considering placing a nylon pivot block in the bottom left (hinge corner) to hold the door up. 

I couldn't find a way to adjust the door without removing it so I looked for something to place at the top of the hinge to raise the door and reduce the grinding on the hinge. There were some BBs on my bench and so I inserted one between the top of the hinge and the stop bar. Now the door swings and closes very easily.

Maybe not the a permanent fix but it was easy and hopefully it will last until a better solution comes along.

Photo of BB placed above hinge.

 

Edited September 17 by Corvus

[Galway Girl]

I placed a plastic cap under the bottom off the hinge.  This temp fix holds the door up to cleat the threshold.

i wonder what the bottom of that hinge is supposed to have under it?  Is there a pin/bushing missing on mine?   Anyone that can show a pix of a functioning bottom door hinge area would be a help

I have a ticket open for this.. 

Edited September 17 by Galway Girl
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[Corvus]

Bottom of hinge.

Edited September 17 by Corvus

[Patriot]

1 hour ago, Galway Girl said:

I placed a plastic cap under the bottom off the hinge.  This temp fix holds the door up to cleat the threshold.

i wonder what the bottom of that hinge is supposed to have under it?  Is there a pin/bushing missing on mine?   Anyone that can show a pix of a functioning bottom door hinge area would be a help

I have a ticket open for this.. 

I just took a look at my door and it doe not have a bushing under the hinge. It appears that the screw at the top and the screw at the bottom of the door are adjustment screws. My initial thought is if you loosen both top and bottom screws then retighten both screws while lifting the door up slightly in the process to achieve the clearance you need at the bottom lip of the door to get it to clear and close properly. 

Please let us know what you learn from service. 

 

 

Bottom-

Edited September 17 by Patriot

[Galway Girl]

Thanks @Patriot

 

In my door those pieces above and below the screw (in yellow area on your pix) are missing. 

tried loosening, lifting  and tightening to no avail. 

I think something fell off or wore away 

 

[SNY SD UP]

2 hours ago, Galway Girl said:

I placed a plastic cap under the bottom off the hinge.  This temp fix holds the door up to cleat the threshold.

i wonder what the bottom of that hinge is supposed to have under it?  Is there a pin/bushing missing on mine?   Anyone that can show a pix of a functioning bottom door hinge area would be a help

I have a ticket open for this.. 

 

 

Yes, it appears so.

 

Just added.  It also appears in the pic's as though the Phillip's Head driver 'spun' in the screw head during the install...

Edited September 17 by SNY SD UP

[Galway Girl]

From the company that makes the door:

KstlKD_HingePin_982.pdf

Excerpt below of bottom.  It appears my hinge pins have worn away the silencers sleeve so it now drops the door down. 
 

once I get confirmation of what’s happening I’ll update. 
 

craig

[Corvus]

15 hours ago, Galway Girl said:

From the company that makes the door:

Thank you for posting the assembly instructions.

What stands out to me is the instructions say to insert the deep end of the hinge pin toward the center of the door. Both of mine have the shallow end toward the center of the door. Maybe the deep end acts as a buffer (bushing?) to prevent it from wearing away the hinge door stop. The weight of the door is mostly supported by the top end of the hinge door stop where the hinge pin rest and that is where mine is damaged.

Judging from the photos it looks like Patriot's hinge pins were put in correctly or they are different. Your hull and mine are closer in production than Patriots.

Do you know if Oliver buys these doors as a kit and assembles them or buys them already assembled? If the former it might explain some inconsistencies in assembly.

 

Edited September 18 by Corvus

[Jps190]

6 minutes ago, Corvus said:

Thank you for posting the assembly instructions.

What stands out to me is the instructions say to insert the deep end of the hinge pin toward the center of the door. Both of mine have the shallow end toward the center of the door. Maybe the deep end act as a buffer (bushing?) to prevent it from wearing away the hinge door stop. The weight of the door is mostly supported by the top end of the hinge door stop where the hinge pin rest and that is where mine is damaged.

Judging from the photos it looks like Patriot's hinge pins were put in correctly or they are different. Your hull and mine are closer in production than Patriots.

Do you know if Oliver buys these doors as a kit and assembles them or buys them already assembled? If the former it might explain some inconsistencies in assembly.

 

I just looked at my hinge pins and they appear to be installed opposite of those directions also.

 

john

[SNY SD UP]

Now I have to physically re-inspect ours... Maybe some maint is needed.

I will report back, as I have a special circumstance associated with ours.

[SNY SD UP]

@DonnaDuane

Are you following this?

If you removed your door, were you aware of the orientation of the pins?

[SNY SD UP]

My Pins are correct.

Whilst on one of our many 'Shake-Down Runs', for lack of a real explanation as to how we shattered our bathroom door mirror.
Gorilla Tape was our friend for the remainder of the trip.
 

Later when it came time to remove the door, I opted to remove it by unscrewing the channel where it attaches to the rear facing dinette wall, so I did not remove at the 'pins'.
Removal & installation was quite easy.
This might be a way that would be easy for you to make repairs. IDK.

 

B~OUT

[Galway Girl]

Here’s the failure:

 

top hinge lins have worn away on the lower side of the pin.  This causes  door to drop and stick.

Another owner put 2 BBs in that space, but new hinge pins are the fix.

 

 

 

below pix is with door lifted and you see the space that has ground away. 

[ThomB87]

We had the same issue with our 2019 over time. The dealer in Denver replaced the pins while our trailer was in for another issue. That did fix the door. 

[Corvus]

2 hours ago, Galway Girl said:

Another owner put 2 BBs in that space

Just for clarification I used one BB.

Edited September 18 by Corvus

[mossemi]

@Galway Girl
Thanks for posting the door assembly instructions!
 @Corvus

@Jps190

@SNY SD UP

When I read the door installation instructions, there does not seem to be a wrong way to insert the hinge pins.  They suggest putting the long portion of the pin toward the middle of the door, but then state that the hinge pins may be installed with the short end toward the middle of the door if the hinge channel is too tight between the hinge pins.

It does seem that the hinge pins would last longer with the long portion placed toward the center of the door.

Mossey

[Patriot]

This could be the reason for the new redesign of the bath door. All good info! 

[Galway Girl]

The contact at the door manufacturer is mailing a couple of new pins.  I’ll install them when I return home in December.  In the meantime I’ll use some shims to meet the door from jamming. 
 

Craig

[Patriot]

6 hours ago, Galway Girl said:

The contact at the door manufacturer is mailing a couple of new pins.  I’ll install them when I return home in December.  In the meantime I’ll use some shims to meet the door from jamming. 
 

Craig

@Galway Girl would you mind posting the contact info for new pins. I would like to order a few spares and surely others may as well.

Many Thanks!

Edited September 19 by Patriot
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[Galway Girl]

The contact that picked up my service request about new door pins is listed below:

she was very helpful but needed a picture of the door to find their internal part numbers ( which I never found) . 

Deanne Cummings

DCummings@coralind.com

(205) 345 - 1013 ext. 52235

Coral Industries www.coralind.com
3010 Rice Mine Rd NE | Tuscaloosa, AL 35406

[Galway Girl]

In my case the ball bearing on the top hinge didn’t work, so my temporary solution are some nylon toilet shims screwed down to the threshold.   They hold the door up and are slick enough to bear the load.  
 

When I get home I’ll do the full repair (assuming the parts arrive.)

Craig - hull 505
 

[Jason Foster]

I haven't had much of a chance to use mine since Christmas, but I leave the bathroom door open.  I just noticed it was difficult to close on the bottom.  I haven't checked the hinge, but I can't imagine it is due to overuse wear and tear.