dewdev Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 I want to buy Timken US bearings for my Oliver Elite II and have not had any luck in find a supplier at a reasonable cost. I do not want to buy through Amazon because I am afraid they will be selling Timken Chinese knock offs bearings, not real US Timken bearings, as I have seen mentioned in other Oliver forum threads. I spoke to Timken direct and was able to confirm the bearing and cup part numbers along with a part number for a National Seal but they would not sell to individuals, It seems I have been getting the "run-around" from Timken on where I can buy their bearings. The told me to go to their web site locator and the site will tell where I can buy Timken bearings. Timken's web site directed me to VIP Discount Auto. VIP no longer sells parts and VIP sent me over to their parts cousin, O'Riely Auto, and they do not sell Timken bearings either. I contacted every automotive parts store in my state and they do not sell Timken Bearings. I then contacted Dexter Axle and they would sell me their bearings but could (or would not) tell me who made the bearings they sell. Dexter then referred me to Southwestwheel.com and they would sell me Timken bearings. To buy one set of timken inner bearing and its cup, the outer bearing and its cup and a National Seal they wanted $61.18 per wheel which is $245.92 for a set of 4. HELP! Has anyone found a place to buy legimitate Timken bearings? Thanks in advance for your help. 2018 Oliver Elite II, Twin Bed, Hull #354 2024 RAM 1500, 4 x 4; Gas. 5.7L V8 Hemi MDS VVT Torque; 3.21 rear axle ratio Maine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jairon Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) I'd suggest Summit Racing Equipment if you want legit parts for cheap. They ship all over the US. Summit Racing is 20 minutes from the Timken factory and is an authorized distributor. Odds are good they are legit. 😁 Edited February 26, 2021 by Jairon 1 2019 Toyota Land Cruiser 2021 Oliver Elite II, Hull #748 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackofBeyond Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) Motion Industries - locations across the USA. Or any decent local bearing supply place. I have learned to stay off the internet in this area. You want bearings and races. They will not be $20 each. RB Edited February 25, 2021 by BackofBeyond 1 Cindy, Russell and "Harley dog" . Home is our little farm near Winchester TN 2018 Oliver Legacy Elite II - 2018 GMC 2500 Duramax "Die young - As late as possible" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideandfly Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 3 hours ago, BackofBeyond said: Motion Industries - locations across the USA. Or any decent local bearing supply place. I have learned to stay off the internet in this area. You want bearings and races. They will not be $20 each. RB +1 on Motion Industries 1 Bill & Debbie / 2015 LE2 #75 / 2024 F-150/5.0L / North Carolina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewK Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 I really don't know if you can ever be sure you are purchasing authentic items but, I just purchased 5 Timken grease seals and one set of bearings from Amazon, sold by Amazon. They all verified as authentic using the WBA Check App. The bearing set was $20 and the seals were $8. Andrew Andrew 2019 Legacy Elite II 2018 BMW x5 35d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WandR Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) I have found Timken bearings hard to find and there appears to be some relationship between Timken and National. I am in the process (as needed) of replacing my bearings and have been replacing them with National Bearings. They are made in China but my sense and hope is they are built under more stringent perimeters. I have attached National Light Trailer Bearing and Seal Guide with the Dexter 3.5K axle highlighted. The hand written note at the bottom is another choice for the seal from E-Trailer that I like as it has a reinforcing spring within the seal. My sense and I believe others have stated that if you do the proper annual wheel bearing maintenance as prescribed by OTT that you will be ok as you will see problems before they become critical. I purchased my bearings at O'Reilly Auto Parts and have been satisfied thus far. I feel they are better than the original bearings but not as good as Timken if you can find them. As others have said use good wheel bearing grease. I use No. 2 Mystik JT6 which OTT uses. I know others have their favorites also. Good luck!National Light Trailer Bearing Guide.pdf Edited February 26, 2021 by WandR Walter & Rebecca| 2015 Oliver Legacy Elite II | Hull #104 | "SoGo" | Nissan Titan SL 5.6L w/ Tow Package Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connor77 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 South Shore Bearing in Quincy, MA. They are an authorized Timken dealer and have very knowledgeable people working there. They're almost local to you in Falmouth, ME. Good luck! https://southshorebearing.com/ 2021 Elite 2 Hull # 832 "Bucket List" 2021 F250 7.3L Gas / 4.30 AR / Central Maine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewdev Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) Thanks All - Very Helpful For those interested, here is the pricing I found from the below vendors for the Timken Bearings for our Dexter 3500 pound axle: Bearing SouthShore Bearing Summit Racing Equipment Motion Industries Outer Bearing & Cup $11.50 each $10.99 each $26.19 Inner Bearing & Cup $12.00 each $9.99 each $28.41 Seal $8.50 each $6.99 each $6.43 Looks like I am going to buy from Summit Racing. Richard Edited February 26, 2021 by dewdev 3 2 2018 Oliver Elite II, Twin Bed, Hull #354 2024 RAM 1500, 4 x 4; Gas. 5.7L V8 Hemi MDS VVT Torque; 3.21 rear axle ratio Maine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway Girl Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 I'm planning on buying kits for our 3.5K axles as well to have spares on the road. Looking for part numbers I found this...but I'ld like confirmation from the forum members. This is a pix of the Axle lable for our Elite II - 2019 Found t Below in the table is the replacement chart from the Dexter User Materials. The last row I believe has the part numbers for the 3.5K Axles. Can anyone here confirm the part numbers for our 3.5K Elite II axles are Named as "set 4" - L44649/L44610 Named as "set 17" - are the L68111/L68149. I'm thinking of buying the kits. Craig 2019 Elite II (Hull 505 - Galway Girl - August 7, 2019 Delivery) Tow Vehicle: 2021 F350 King Ranch, FX4, MaxTow Package, 10 Speed, 3.55 Rear Axle Batteries Upgrade: Dual 315GTX Lithionics Lithiums - 630AH Total Inverter/Charger: Xantrex 2000Pro Travel BLOG: https://4-ever-hitched.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackofBeyond Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 1 hour ago, dewdev said: Thanks All - Very Helpful For those interested, here is the pricing I found from the below vendors for the Timken Bearings for our Dexter 3500 pound axle: Bearing SouthShore Bearing Summit Racing Equipment Motion Industries Outer Bearing & Cup $11.50 each $10.99 each $26.19 Inner Bearing & Cup $12.00 each $9.99 each $28.41 Seal $8.50 each $6.99 each $6.43 Looks like I am going to buy from Summit Racing. Richard $28 a wheel - not bad - get 4 sets - $100 order -free shipping. Might as well add 8 extra seals - then you are set for years. Summit racing!! Cindy, Russell and "Harley dog" . Home is our little farm near Winchester TN 2018 Oliver Legacy Elite II - 2018 GMC 2500 Duramax "Die young - As late as possible" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewdev Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) Backand Beyond- You second guessed what I did. Bought bearings for all 4 wheel and 8 seals. Galway Girl - Below is what I found in my research for part numbers. Universal Part# Timken Part # Outer Bearing Cone L44649 SET4 Outer Cup L44610 Included in SET4 Inner Bearing L68149 SET17 Cup L68111 included in SET17 Seal - 473336 Dexter Kit: K71-303-00 seal only Dexter Kit: inner bearing: K71-390-00 Dexter Kit: outer bearing: K71-306-00 The Universal part #'s are consitent with what WandR provided as an attachment in his post listed above. Looks like you found basically the same information. Richard Edited February 26, 2021 by dewdev 1 2018 Oliver Elite II, Twin Bed, Hull #354 2024 RAM 1500, 4 x 4; Gas. 5.7L V8 Hemi MDS VVT Torque; 3.21 rear axle ratio Maine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideandfly Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Galway Girl, In addition to dewdev's above post, you can get a specific build sheet from Dexter for your axles that show Dexter information for brakes, seals, bearings, and dimensional info. Here's where you find your axle serial number: https://www.dexteraxle.com/docs/default-source/default-document-library/light-duty-axle-identificationb27a839d2ba463c18d7aff64007a4014.pdf?sfvrsn=66dee048_0 Here's a sample axle build sheet for our Ollie. Most LE2 Ollies cannot use our axle information because Oliver ran out of 3500 pound axles while building our Ollie installing single axle Ollie 5200 pound axles. 1 Bill & Debbie / 2015 LE2 #75 / 2024 F-150/5.0L / North Carolina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewdev Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 Galway Girl, Your axle Serial # is also on the label attached to the axle that you included a picture of in your post. Richard 1 2018 Oliver Elite II, Twin Bed, Hull #354 2024 RAM 1500, 4 x 4; Gas. 5.7L V8 Hemi MDS VVT Torque; 3.21 rear axle ratio Maine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostriderc227 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Great information..... I would like confirmation on if the inner bearing and outer bearing on each hub are the same. My reason for asking is that in the past I have changed out bearings on axles that are a different size between inner/outer. I have not serviced the bearings on my LE 2 yet, but plan on it for this season. Thanks in advance. Steve 2015 Oliver Elite 2 Hull #106 2019 Ford F-250 Super Duty, 6.7 diesel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostriderc227 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Might as well add a 1 pound can of Timken wheel bearing grease to that order. Timken GR224TUB.....$6.99 Steve 1 1 2015 Oliver Elite 2 Hull #106 2019 Ford F-250 Super Duty, 6.7 diesel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewK Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 14 minutes ago, Ghostriderc227 said: Great information..... I would like confirmation on if the inner bearing and outer bearing on each hub are the same. My reason for asking is that in the past I have changed out bearings on axles that are a different size between inner/outer. I have not serviced the bearings on my LE 2 yet, but plan on it for this season. Thanks in advance. Steve Steve, Ours are different and I suspect all are. Andrew Andrew 2019 Legacy Elite II 2018 BMW x5 35d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainiac Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 21 hours ago, dewdev said: HELP! Has anyone found a place to buy legimitate Timken bearings? I went to the Advance Auto Parts web and put the Timken part numbers into the search window. Boom. It came up and listed as Timken. Now to go to my local store and talk to the guy I trust. He is into old cars and high end hot rods. I know he will steer me straight. Timken bearings and National seals. Time will tell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo John Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 On 2/25/2021 at 12:38 PM, Jairon said: I'd suggest Summit Racing Equipment if you want legit parts for cheap. They ship all over the US. Summit Racing is 20 minutes from the Timken factory and is an authorized distributor. Odds are good they are legit. 😁 Jairon: I have been using Summit Racing for years, and also using Motion Ind. for bearings. I had not thought of Summit for the Timken Bearings. THANK YOU! GJ 2 TV: 2019 F-150 SuperCrew Lariat, 3.5L EcoBoost, Max Tow, FX-4, Rear Locker OLLIE: 2018 OE2 Hull 342, Twin Bed. OLLIE DIY’s: Timken Bearings, BB LiFePO4's, Victron 712 Smart, 350 Amp Master Switch, Houghton 3400, Victron Orion DC - DC, 3000-Watt Renogy Inverter, P.D. 60-amp Converter, Frig Dual Exhaust Fans, Kitchen Drawer Straps. TV DIY’s: 2 5/16" Anderson System, Nitto recon’s, Firestone Rear Air Bags, Bilstein 5100’s, Mud Flaps & Weather Tech all, installed Ham Radio (WH6JPR). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo John Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 On 2/26/2021 at 5:51 AM, dewdev said: Universal Part# Timken Part # Outer Bearing Cone L44649 SET4 Outer Cup L44610 Included in SET4 Inner Bearing L68149 SET17 Cup L68111 included in SET17 Seal - 473336 For the less bearing experienced, the "Cup" is the running surface of the bearing housing. Some refer to this replacement surface as the "Bearing Race". They are the same part, and should always be replaced when replacing the bearings. The reason for buying eight seals is that you need to replace the seals at each surface. The Timken bearings will last many many years with good grease and service. The seals generally get damaged in their removal process. They are cheap and saving a few $$ is nothing compared to a seal failure allowing grease into the brakes! I disassemble, clean with brake cleaner, dry and re-grease at the start of each season. But then I am also covering at least 8,000 miles a season. The cheap Dexter bearings IMHO should be trashed at your first or second service depending on your use. For the bearings and seal face, this is the synthetic grease that John Davies recommended, and many of us are using. I also highly recommend it: Red Line 80401 CV-2 Synthetic Grease with Moly (14 Oz Jars) . It is available via Amazon. Some owners use a "bearing grease press" to fill the bearings with grease before installation. I have tried some, and found that I waste a lot of grease with them. So, like many older salts, we just use the palm of our hand and a dollop of grease, kneading the bearing into the grease from both sides. This works very well, saves grease, and gives you the satisfaction of KNOWING that your new bearings are well lubricated. From Dexter, here is the Bearing Adjustment and Hub Replacement process: Finally, having a pile of rags and a trash bag handy is really helpful. Good luck and safe travels, Geronimo John 2 TV: 2019 F-150 SuperCrew Lariat, 3.5L EcoBoost, Max Tow, FX-4, Rear Locker OLLIE: 2018 OE2 Hull 342, Twin Bed. OLLIE DIY’s: Timken Bearings, BB LiFePO4's, Victron 712 Smart, 350 Amp Master Switch, Houghton 3400, Victron Orion DC - DC, 3000-Watt Renogy Inverter, P.D. 60-amp Converter, Frig Dual Exhaust Fans, Kitchen Drawer Straps. TV DIY’s: 2 5/16" Anderson System, Nitto recon’s, Firestone Rear Air Bags, Bilstein 5100’s, Mud Flaps & Weather Tech all, installed Ham Radio (WH6JPR). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo John Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 (edited) Attached is a summary that I keep in my trailer. It has much of what is discussed above and may be a handy reference for the future. Timken Bearings and National Seals.docx As is apparent, much of my Oliver bearings and seal info is from John Davies. A great source of information and advice. Thank you John D! Geronimo John Edited March 6, 2021 by Geronimo John Credit to the Great JD! 3 TV: 2019 F-150 SuperCrew Lariat, 3.5L EcoBoost, Max Tow, FX-4, Rear Locker OLLIE: 2018 OE2 Hull 342, Twin Bed. OLLIE DIY’s: Timken Bearings, BB LiFePO4's, Victron 712 Smart, 350 Amp Master Switch, Houghton 3400, Victron Orion DC - DC, 3000-Watt Renogy Inverter, P.D. 60-amp Converter, Frig Dual Exhaust Fans, Kitchen Drawer Straps. TV DIY’s: 2 5/16" Anderson System, Nitto recon’s, Firestone Rear Air Bags, Bilstein 5100’s, Mud Flaps & Weather Tech all, installed Ham Radio (WH6JPR). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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