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Last year, I sort of hijacked John Davies thread on clothesline with questions on Hasko hooks, so I thought I'd start a new thread this time. Canoe12 and try2relax both reported great luck with this hook.Hasko hook I came across a chrome towel ring at Bealls outlet a few days ago, with a similar suction cup attachment. At $6, I figured it was worth a try, as the suction attachment looked very similar, minus the knurls on the (plastic) knob. I tried it out in the house-- upstairs guest bath. That's a tough test, as none of my trailer suction cup accessories work on the matte/ finely striated tile in that shower. But this one did. Two days so far, with a big bath towel on a ring meant for a hand towel. Looking forward to using it in the Oliver this summer. Still available at many places online... Everloc towel ring. They also have hooks, towel bars, and toothbrush holders, etc, in chrome. Sherry

GAIA is a wonderful resource for those who venture off pavement for any type of activity..... this article is a great review and at the bottom you will find a link to a free 90 day subscription. Note, they say it is a Premium version, but when I redeemed it I got the Standard one. Still a nice deal, a good software “test drive”. https://www.4xoverlandadventures.com/navigation-app-choice-gaia-gps/ John Davies Spokane WA

I just have to laugh. Sheesh, what a policy. Really? But it does seem to answer some of the questions that we never seems to get resolved. To, at once, talk about excellent customer support and the Oliver difference, and at the same time just be silent and wait for problems to go away, is very telling. Further proof we are dealing with a small company here and the individuals in that company that seem to be overloaded. When individual personalities have so much affect on company policies, or on the lack of policies, it makes me uncomfortable. Any time they are busy or don't want to deal with something, or are in a bad mood, or worse yet, don't know how to deal with something, the customer is in trouble. Each person will a give different answer, if they answer at all, while hoping we go away and quit asking. If telling people how they expect us to jack up our trailers is too much for them to handle, imagine how much trouble it would be for them if we had some kind of serious issue, like a cracked frame, for instance. The water tank issue has also proven to be one of those problems that they just want to go away. Meanwhile, they want us to show our trailers to possible buyers and talk about how great it is to be in the Oliver family. Again, I am just sitting here laughing. Really?

No smiles alowed on this page now... Lol, I always liked the little smiley faces better then the x's myself but it works. So when you see an :) know that there is a smile here... Lol.

Yup, Anita told me the same thing and I laughed then because I'm proactive myself and fix the problems while either filming the fix or taking pictures when needed. Oliver is waiting for us to film our exterior light fixture fix and that will come next month hopefully. It needs to be done in hot weather above 73° This jack thread has been hashed out over and over and some of you guys make to much of a big deal out of the simple things. They are called JACKS for a reason. And Oliver has used these "Screw Jacks" since the beginning. Karen and I are embarking on a new future here in Arizona now, and we will be here in Stanton for atleast a year. We thought about buying a larger trailer since we live full time in our Olli and started looking again, but there are no other trailers that even come close in comparrison to the quality that we love in our Oliver's. No other quality trailers provide electric jacks all around. Use some common sense, use either the jacks or jacks and blocks when needed. You have the best trailer that money can buy, so deal with it and quit sweating the small stuff. Jacking up a tire is simple highschool learning and if you can't figure it out, go back and take the beginning drivers education class again... :) Reed

That is some way to run a business.

For anyone that is still sitting on the fence regarding whether to attend this year's Owner's Rally, perhaps the opportunity to see one of these yellow cardinals will tip you in the attending direction. Who would have thought that Alabama would have such a thing? Bill http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/one_in_a_million_yellow_cardinal.html

Just lift the trailer with the jack and put a couple of jack stands under the frame near the wheels. Do your maintenance and then remove them.

I think it is unacceptable that OTT can not provide us with simple guidance for jack placement/use for 1) changing or rotating tires. 2) changing out flat tires. 3) doing routine wheel bearing maintenance. I am taking the trailer to a local shop next week to have the wheel bearings checked/repacked. I have owned my trailer #140 May 2016 and I am baffled that this issue has not been put to rest. I would hope that Jason would take 5 min and update the University regarding this issue. If I don't get some guidance from him, I am going to use some large rubber air bladders filled with helium. Putting them inside the trailer. Lastly. I love my Oliver trailer and consider it to be the best dang trailer I have owned. And I have owned a bunch and this is my last one.

Update.... this has been working really well and I appreciate the ease of getting the trailer close to level just by driving back and forth a few feet. An extra body outside is useful for levelling front to back, but even if you are alone it is helpful to get the best location to park. If a site is fairly level, you often can get the trailer aligned in both directions without ever using the jacks. If the terrain is sloping, look for a site that slopes downward from the entry. Then you can use the rear jacks only to level and raise the back, leaving the hitch connected to the truck. This saves time and fussing twice since you can just drive off the next morning. .... Remembering that your rear jacks are deployed, of course! A short piece of red surveyors tape draped around the top of the front jack, or from the top of your steering wheel, will remind you, if you are the forgetful sort like me... driving away with any of the jacks down would be bad and very embarassing. John Davies Spokane WA

It’s been a couple of years, but when we got our pick up orientation from Tommy (now retired) he told me to use the jacks if I needed to change a tire. Since then, I have used the jacks to raise the trailer a couple of times. Once in our local tire shop parking lot to get metal stems and a rebalance with TPMS sensors and once in the brake shop lot for a brake service. Both times the trailer was connected to the truck. I ran the front jack down for stability, then raised one side at a time. I also have 8” blocks that I always use so the jacks are never extended very far. If I was on the side of the road I would use the jacks to change a tire for speed if nothing else. When camping I always build a lego platform for each tire to level the trailer then use the jacks to stabilize. I don’t know why the guidance from Oliver has changed, could be liability. Mike

The question about the jacks has evolved over the past year or so. Originally, Oliver's message about the jacks, though unwritten, was that they could be used to lift the trailer off the ground - and the jacks are certainly strong enough to do so. That's what we were told on our factory visit, and it was touted as one of the advantages of the trailer. And so many owners have for years done just that and continue to do so. But then there were some discussions here about the frame flexing on some trailers when jacked up, and some new and prospective owners asked whether they should really be lifting the tires off the ground when camped, and at that point Oliver responded by changing/clarifying their recommendation to using them only for stabilization. Some took that change as gospel, and some took it as Oliver saying, "Well, since you're forcing us to give you a legally binding recommendation, we're going to have to give you one you don't want to hear." But until Jason's comment above, the recommendation to use them for maintenance has remained in the manual. So they've either just realized that discrepancy in their message, or have decided to get more strict with their recommendation for whatever reason. I suspect the owner's manual will be rewritten to reflect Jason's comments, and what you do with your own trailer will, as always, be up to you.

I use the onboard jacks exclusively, I believe olivers policy on the jack usage is just cya. If I lift the tires off the ground, I'll put blocks under the tires to distribute the weight, if I'm changing a tire a jackstand goes on the subframe or the spring base plate, just common safety practices. Steve

Sherry, I haven't "permanently" sealed them off, I haven't figured out which way I would like to go. My semi-permanent solution, so far, has been that the bubble wrap insulation I lined the back of the cabinet with the insulating bubble wrap it was first laid into all the contours so that it was built up to make an ultimate flat wall, each layer was taped in place with aluminum flashing tape. So overall, from the vent perspective it is completely tight up against the opening. From the outside, I had some left over 1/32 thick hard sheet vinyl from a crappy tub surround that I cut to fit the opening, with the top part slid in behind the opening and the bottom on the outside of the lip, so that any water that gets in runs out and the vent cover is enough to keep it place. While I don't consider it permanent, everything about it works if it is still there 10 years from now.

Just throwing it out there, but everybody knows that 20 + 30 lb. propane bottles fit snugly into a 'milk' crate? We use the milk crate when we transport tanks to be filled. Keeps them from rolling around in the truck. Also a couple of bungees keep the crate from sliding around. The crate gives the bungee something easy to hook to. I guess a bonus, we never thought about, it keeps the tank upright. Two other customers, also waiting to get tanks filled, said what a great idea to use the crate. I thought everyone knew about them...