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For those interested, a short interim travel summary: So, we departed NM mid-morning, last Friday for Moab, UT. High winds and rain from Farmington to Shiprock slowed us way down, but the TV/Casablanca performed wonderfully. Moab and Arches were fantastic and we'll be staying there a few days on our return leg next week. We initially planned to spend about 5 or 6 days in Rock Springs, WY for an annual "Escapade Rally" -- but changed our minds after 2 nights there. Decided that the time away from home would be better spent exploring around the Tetons and Yellowstone. Dumping holding tanks and topping off fresh while the Knuckleheads wait for D to return... So we "pulled-chocks" yesterday AM and headed north on the US 191 (one of our most fav US HWYs) - stopped for a great lunch at a Brewery in Pinedale, WY. Smoked brisket nachos - OMG! Made our way to Jackson winding our way northbound on the beautiful US-19 following the Windriver Range and eventually the Hoback River into Jackson. The snow-capped Windriver Range in the distance below... Hoback River alongside the 191 - no wind and temps in mid-60s all day long: Harvest Hosted at the Jackson Hole Still Works - met some phenomenal young men that owned the distillery and they provided an interesting/educational tour of their very modern facility here. Our "boondock" location at the HH venue in Jackson, can you find Magnus below?: It's off to Coulter Lake, Teton NP this morning then up to Yellowstone this afternoon... More later... Cheers, All! A & D

Thank you to all of you who have replied. This is all great information, especially the info about seeing the maintenance records and spec sheet. I have rv’d for over 50 years with my husband and bought the casita after he passed. I have used it extensively for the past two years, putting a ton of miles on it. So I think i have proved to myself that i am capable and able to maintain an rv and will use it. Onward and upward!

Follow-up from Kevin and SDG --

All good advice above! We bought our 2021 LE II off the FB Oliver Travel Trailer for Sale page. Drove from MN to TX to pick it up from a private buyer. It only had 900 miles of towing on it which I really liked and was stored inside. We were ready to sign a contract for a new one and had chosen all of the options we wanted when the pre-owned one with the exact same options we were looking for came up. I would say to really understand what you want to do with it so you can figure out what options are most important to you. Pre-owned ones come up on the FB page but they can go pretty quick and you may have to drive to get one. Of course, there's always the new options from a dealer that may be closer to you. Good luck on the hunt!

How did you test this? I ask because if the problem you have is a grounding issue, then you may still have power to the receptacle. If you tested by using the hot and neutral wires supplied at the plug, and the neutral is bad, then your meter will show no power. Most all of my electrical issues have been with bad (loose) grounds. Hook up your meter to your supply (hot) wire and use another neutral/ground to see if you get power. If you do, then you know it's a grounding issue and you can start tracing that back to the bad connection. If you still have no power using a different ground, then most likely it is a supply line issue, so work back from there. Also, since your receptacle is out and disconnected, I'd do a continuity check to be sure it is functional. Finally, I have the Dometic 3-way refrigerator and there is a 5amp fuse for the AC heater hidden away in a control box attached to the back of the refir, accessed by removing the lower vent outside. Check your manual to see about yours. Time to buy a multimeter if you don't already have one! These issues can be challenging to trace. Just be methodical and don't ignore the grounding side of the tests. Good luck. Dave I edited this for some better clarity...I hope.

Before plunking down between $60 and $80,000k depending on the YM you find: If I were looking for a used Oliver, the first thing I would want to see is a detailed spread sheet of what maintenance was performed by who and when? This would include receipts for the work completed. If you are not familiar with travel trailers maybe hire a reputable RV inspector to check everything. Kinda think of it as purchasing a second home. These trailers are not overly complicated machines, but they do require a fair amount maintenance and care. I would suggest you take a look at the owners manual for the year model you are considering in Oliver University. This will give you a great start on what owners should be inspecting and maintaining. If you find a used well kept Oliver, you may want to call the Oliver Service Center and see if they have a record of maintenance on the Hull#. Of course this forum is full of really valuable information and a great group of owners to help you with your decision on purchasing new or used. Ask away! When we purchased our Oliver new in 2020, our sales rep told us that the twin bed model is their most popular model/best seller. Four years later as of yesterday we took delivery of Hull #634. We are convinced Oliver is the best Travel Trailer made and are grateful to own one. All the best with your decision and happy hunting!

Against The Wind Posted Sunday at 01:44 PM Hello all! Just joined your wonderful forum a few days ago. We are a retired couple from Tennessee who are looking forward to owning a Legacy Elite II someday in the near future. So we’re newbie wannabes right now. We made the mistake, I guess, of first looking on line at the Legacy Elite II and now everything else just seems subpar. So, we’re pretty much sold out of the gate on Oliver’s quality and customer satisfaction. We continue to learn every day, mostly from this forum and other research what it’s like to own a travel trailer and why other brands of rv’s should be avoided. Once again, hello and we look forward to getting to know you all.

For someone that's not a DIY capable, then there is some reduced value for the wiring that is no longer provided on all newer trailers. Older ones have wiring between the solar entry (Hidden in front of the Max Fan) run between the hulls over the roof to the street side storage area. But I seriously doubt that OTT would have also eliminated the pathway to do so. Why? Service still needs it when an owner wants to add solar. Also, more than a few owners have run electrical wiring between the hulls for varius purposes in several places. I'll be posting on this topic after I do just such a run this summer for a Houghton mod GJ

Welcome to the forum! Now is a great time to dive into Oliver University and the videos. Read as much on the forum and ask questions. We are very happy with our Oliver - Everything we need and nothing we don’t.

You should be able to look at the backside of the breaker panel and see the color of the romex wiring feeding into it; yellow 12, white 14. At least that’s what I was able to do in my 2020, all 12/2 to be exact.

Sounds like a plan. Always welcome! Although, I can guarantee that both the fish and the mosquitos will most likely bite!

This is what I pieced together after some reading. According to Daikin, R-32 is the most balanced refrigerant in terms of Environmental Impact/Energy Efficiency/Safety/Cost-Effectiveness for Stationary Air Conditioners and Heat Pumps. Estimates 230 million units sold worldwide since 2022. Different from R22 and R410A, the R32 is slightly flammable. But combustion will not occur unless three critical conditions are met, refrigerant concentration, constant oxygen, and an ignition source. In real practice, it's hard to meet all the combustion conditions. R-32 is not self supporting of a flame hence the A2L classification. The A2L subgroup, as categorized by ASHRAE Standard 34, are a class of refrigerants that have lower toxicity and flammability (flame propagation speed is less than 10 cm/s) compared to other classifications — A = non-toxic, 2 = flammable, L = low burning velocity — making it the second-safest refrigerant category. As Oliver owners using units that are self-contained and sealed they should never need a recharge, which also lessens the likelihood of a leak. International Standard ISO 817 defines 2 toxicity classes for refrigerants: Class A – Lower Chronic Toxicity and Class B – Higher Chronic Toxicity. R32 is categorized as Class A. In general speak, Class A refrigerants are called non toxic and Class B are called toxic. All refrigerant are toxic in that they can displace oxygen so ALL refrigerants need extra care. Lastly, they won't be manufacturing any more 410a units after 12/24. Best, Mike Not a tree hugger but we do want to preserve the biosphere we live in. https://www.daikin.com/air/daikin_techknowledge/benefits/r-32 https://www.griffithenergyservices.com/articles/goodbye-r410-hello-a2l-understanding-the-r410-phaseout-new-2023-efficiency-standards

Thanks for all the helpful advice. At this point we are still researching and gaining knowledge of something new to us. We are experienced tent campers and backpackers but time has put that in the rear view mirror, now. We will continue monitoring this most knowledgeable database for your insights.

We have a 2019 27 foot Airstream and a 2019 Oliver Elite II. One has to go. Which? It all depends... The 2019 Airstream has ALL of the Off the Grid Appliances. Bought off the Airstream Dealer's Lot, new. The 2019 Oliver Elite II has ALL of the Off the Grid Appliances. Bought from original owner three years ago who had cancer and wife did not like the Travel Trailer Experience. A common problem as we become older and health may become a factor. Worked out for us as it was listed for sale on the Oliver Forum and we bought the trailer in less than 24 hours at full asking price. It is a wonderful trailer. You have good advice on this Forum. Each has their limitations: The Airstream need Upgrade Expenses TO: Six inch lifted Axles and Upgraded wheels to 16 inch and 16 inch Michelins. It is longer and wider than an Oliver. It has lots of open space in the Aisles. It has a lower Center of Gravity for stability. The Oliver Elite II has the SAME Clearance as the Lift Kit Airstream. The Oliver Elite II has as standard the 16 inch wheels and 16 inch Michelin Tires. The Oliver has a higher center of gravity. The Airstream and Oliver Elite II are similar in... WEIGHT. Tow perfectly 'on the ball' behind our 2016 F350 4x4 Diesel. Our Airstream and Oliver Elite II have ALL of the upgrades... Solar is important. Appliances are Propane and/or Electric plug in. The Storage in the Oliver Elite II and the longer Airstream are... about the SAME. The Oliver storage is FANTASTIC. The Airstream storage is about the same with 8 feet 6 inches wide and the Oliver is 7 feet even, if I check. Nothing wrong with being a Compact Oliver as it is a Go Anywhere Travel Trailer. Airstreams are limited, not from an experienced OTG Travel Owner... but length creates a dragging rear bumper, even with the 6 inch lift and 16 inch tires. Oliver Elite II is a Do All travel trailer. If you are a RV Park traveler, it does not matter. Oliver's and Airstream Trailers are great for Hookups and RV Parks. Oliver owners are eager to assist and give advice. The more options... Solar should be #1... and get everything that catches your attention. We have everything in our Airstream and Oliver Elite II. They cost about the same off the lot.

@KfSmit - FYI, Patriot is spot on with his description and how you might consider going forward with an acquision, IMO. If you're considering a used OTT, its service records are key. However, they could be meaningless to you unless you "know" the Oliver. Suggestion: Read these forums from old to new. Learn how they're laid out by topical areas. Focus on the "Mechanical and Technical Tips", "Oliver Modifications", and "Towing an Oliver". Take your time, mull over issues, problems, and fixes that others have solved. Go back to the oldest posts you can find. Read them. Study. Understand the common challenges and opportunities many of us have experienced with this rig. You'll be amazed. The knowledge you'll gain from this endeavor will be priceless. After scanning these diatribes, you'll be able to examine service records, owner upgrades, and modifications and be able to make sense of them and determine if they were done correctly or not after surveying that particular rig. Depending on your background and experience with RV's, a certified appraiser would be money well spent. The "bones" of an Oliver are strong, as mentioned earlier, they are not over-complicated -- but they do require an understanding of routine maintenance to remain functional and safe while towing and camping. We've probably put north of 7k miles on ours since the first of the year - Casablanca has behaved remarkably. This is a consistent underpinning of the brand. They're tough. But they need attention - not neglect. Take care of your kit - it will take care of you. Do not hesitate to reach out to the owners on these forums and ask questions, seek advice, and know that you'll receive sound feedback. Good luck in your search and enjoy every moment of it - the right unit will come along at the right time, I'm sure of it because we did the same thing you're doing now 3 years ago, brother! Cheers!

I think the Facebook page is perferred as you are then dealing with the owner themselves and not a sales firm. You can also check out the new Oliver Sales and Service companies that have been brought on board. You can find them listed on the OTT web page. Good luck.

Any that are in good condition! Bill

So, we've decided to do this one way or another. Don't need a microwave, as I can reheat my coffee on the stovetop and save the carcinogens of microwaves! Chris says they kill the nutrients in all foods, so she doesn't use one ever in all of her amazing cooking. Measured our small model Emeril Air Fryer and it is the exact same dimensions, all measurements of length, width and height. Yeah, there is a heat issue that I mean to overcome. Yanked the microwave out of our hull in about 20 minutes today. Connected the Emeril and ran the air fryer at 375 for 16 minutes today. It got hot in the end, but there is 4 1/2" above the oven and 2 1/2" left and right (thermostat wiring to the right). I will need to raise it about 3/4" to fit the surround, but otherwise fits like a glove. I will cut some plastic off each side for the heat. I plan to fit the opening top and side with ceramic insulation made for woodburning stoves which comes in many thicknesses. I am wondering re OTT installed convection ovens. Anybody have one? Is there any exterior venting? Hey @bugeyedriver, you wrote on Dec 19, 2023 "The Wonder Egg - Hull #14, has extra vents in the side walls behind the oven, so I have gone to the micro/conv. option." Can you show pics of this venting. This will be a fun mod for me, and Chris will love it when she gets back from her sisters visit! Check out this pic after an hour of work today!

Hello all! Just joined your wonderful forum today. We are a retired couple from Tennessee who are looking forward to owning a Legacy Elite II someday in the near future. So we’re newbie wannabes right now. We made the mistake, I guess, of first looking on line at the Legacy Elite II and now everything else just seems subpar. So, we’re pretty much sold out of the gate on Oliver’s quality and customer satisfaction. We continue to learn every day, mostly from this forum and other research what it’s like to own a travel trailer and why other brands of rv’s should be avoided. Once again, hello and we look forward to getting to know you all.

On the level Mod!! My good friend @JBurton suggested this leveling assist mod and we both placed an order today. The company is based right here in North Carolina 🇺🇸 and they also provide product support. It’s a fairly basic install of a 3-axis digital accelerometer. Based on the strong reviews it appears to be a worthwhile product that will hopefully serve us well. We really like supporting USA small businesses when we can.🇺🇸 Link - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C28VJLG5/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1d6l5u5zpQ0eqfAMrGD0R2K1lie99yvbOA2ZyyNV6Ar8CxyVNqkHZUoeg_aem_ZmFrZWR1bW15MTZieXRlcw A quick tutorial -

Looks like you are back to what TopGun2 suggested. You would want to let the test run for several days, starting with a full SOC at the beginning. True your SOC indicator reading would no longer be valid, but at least you could get a voltage delta from the terminals. It should be VERY close to .1V or so. If it is higher, then using a Litho chart will let you wag the SOC change. Not real accurate, but if the voltages effectively do not change, then you know for sure it is not battery internal energy consumption to heat. GJ

An easy mistake, Jeff - I know, because I've done it myself... No worries, all good. HA!

This is one of the first mods I made after bringing my new Ollie home. Drilled the knobs and installed zip-ties. Easy visual inspection to see of panels are still secured before hitting the road. They have not moved a mm since day 1. thanks John Davies

Oh, you ain't a fellow.

You may be asking for company! Love northern Minnesota, just as long as you can get the fish biting and NOT the mosquitos! We are very likely going to visit Chris' sister in Farmington MN sooner or later. They snowbird down here some winters. We would role that into a Badlands visit, Mt. Rushmore and more. Hugo, you got a hook-up here too (not garaged). For us, perhaps 2025, or 2026 the latest! 🤣

This is unexpected, and a little concerning. On my 2015 LE1, the water heater and refrigerator have separate fuses, as they should. So to Ron and Phyllis, check your panel! Dave

Here's the link to our thread about this failure: https://olivertraveltrailers.com/forums/topic/7188-120v-wiring-failure-good-news-on-fridge-outlet/

This happened to us. In our 2022, a single 20 amp breaker runs both the fridge and the Suburban water heater. There was a junction box on the side of the water heater (under the bed) and I found one of the wire connectors inside melted, leaving the circuit to the fridge dead. It looked like the connector wiggled loose and overheated. After replacing the connector, I added some zip ties to minimize movement of the wiring during travel.

Welcome to the forum! Ask lots of questions as there is a lot of collective knowledge and know how here. Make sure you take a deep dive into Oliver University for lots of helpful info and videos. Our Oliver Travel Trailer is everything we need and nothing we don’t! Patriot🇺🇸

You went 2.4" lower with your Houghton. The Atmos is only 0.9" tall than the OEM Dometic Penguin II. I guess if you have a 10 FT garage door another 1" would matter, otherwise not. Ours is parked outdoors. I'll trade the inch for a more battery efficient AC system.

We have Tent Camped, Airstream OTG Camped and Oliver Elite II OTG Camped. As we aged... so has the camping comforts. Tent camping required that the Tow Vehicle is loaded with 'Travel Trailer' optional appliances. Ice chest, propane cook top, top tent cover for insulation and temperature control. Open and close flap door, vents with screens, pad for 'comfort' on lumpy ground. Ahhhhfully... awful when raining. Travel Trailers. No furniture needed to become a Home on Wheels with a new view anytime, anywhere and sometimes any season. Better than a Mobile Home as it has a home decor screwed to the floor, walls and ceiling. If used for Camping you would need... to secure the home decor to the floor, walls and ceiling. Move... repeat. Move again, sell and step up to a Travel Trailer. For any travel, anywhere, all weather conditions and even Seasons... an Oliver is #1. Airstream is up there, but size of being smaller has big benefits. Both have suspensions. Oliver's are superior with Leaf Springs. Airstreams are a bit more complicated to describe. Do not ride in an Airstream while moving. My wife did... she compared it to pulling a Tent across a field. I did not ask to find out myself. I am a Neanderthal. Neither of us have opted to ride a mile or so in a moving Oliver. Some say there are Laws against such foolish attempts of thrill seekers. I have been tempted, but use to get motion sickness as a youth. To the displeasure of parents and siblings... Pass the bag, please. I never evolved from a Neanderthal to a modern Human Bean, yet. A University education did not help, either. But... my wife is 100% Human Bean and a positive influence over my flint knapped tools. Oliver Elite II is better than Tent Camping, a bit better than an Airstream, when not moving, and insulated to adapt to Sea Level Florida to 12,000 feet in Cedar Breaks, Utah. Both the Airstream and Olivers beat tent camping. Although it takes just as much time to pack up the tent and 'stuff needed' into the back of a pickup with cab. Those who are having a hard time deciding to move from Tent Camping to a Travel Trailer... should stay home. Even better if it is a Cave with live bats. I evolved. Bats hang from the cave ceiling and drop guano upon you. The tent is a bit better, but insects move in, when you are outside on your folding chairs before the wind blows them into the woods. An Oliver Elite... with a view without Human Beans... is wonderful. Folding chairs for outside... not a bad idea either. OK. I had my two cups of coffee, at home, and day dreaming about getting back into the Oliver to live in comfort with no distractions. I add some photographs of what HAPPY OTG CAMPERS look like. Ahhhhh. See you soon? I hope. Tossed in a photograph of a motorcycle camper that spend a day with us. Now... this guy can camp. Two Human Beans that find the outdoors... refreshing. Try it some day. Get that Oliver while you are still moving, few aches and pains... and optimistic. After a week... you may never go back home. Nobody will miss you. They are too busy mowing the lawn and pulling weeds.

If you like to dry camp and boondock, I highly recommend the larger lithium package if you can find one with that option. Many have chosen to upgrade to lithium after the purchase and it's much more functional and seamless to get one with that system already installed from the factory. Not having one isn't a deal breaker, but it will save you a lot of work adding lithium later. Good luck. Do check the Facebook Group "Oliver Travel Trailer for sale". There are some good listings there. https://www.facebook.com/groups/OliverforSale

God Bless America and the fact with our meager means we can have so much in life! Vote 2024. 😂

Lot less value without a solar package, or at least pre-wired. I read at some point they stopped pre-wiring when solar was not purchased. On the other hand, if you are only going to hook-up then no solar could save you money. Batteries less important since LiFePO has gotten much cheaper. I would not have purchased ours last year without this upgrade and we got a very good used price from a prior owner who lives in our hometown and delivered it to our driveway with cash-in-hand!

My friendss barn where I park my OE2 is of the same construction design. Even with lean-to wings on both long sides, the barn was showning high wind instability due to not having cross bracing. Summer 2023 we corrected that with a significant amount of them at every corner, and also with horizontal under cross bracing of the trusses above. Easy to do now with the scaffolding! Great barn design otherwise. Your Ollie and you will love it! GJ

Welcome: I agree with Mike and topgun2 suggestions. If you have never owned a RV, it is a good idea to rent (even a different brand) RV to make sure camping is for you. Definately go to the factory to see the Ollies and to tour the factory to see how they are built. Make sure your tow vehicle is appropiate to haul the Elite II.

@Half Fast Hugo - Looks great, Hugo! Awesome progress! You'll love all that space... Cheers!

@Half Fast Hugo don't post coordinates or directions! You could show up after the rain ends to find dozens of "undocumented noncitizens!"

Well, we’ve had many great week or weekend trips since getting our Ollie in Sep 2021 but we just returned home from our first two month traveling and fell in love with our Ollie all over again! What a wonderful way to go on adventures! Our first day was Wed April 10th and we arrived back this past Fri June 7th. Way too many photos to upload but will try to insert a few. Our stops included: 1) Keystone State Park, Sand Springs, OK - visiting family and grandkids. 2) Palo Duro Canyon State Park, Texas 3) Chupadero RV Park, San Antonio, NM. 4) Fool Hollow State Park, Show Low, AZ. 5) Lost Dutchman State Park, AZ. 6) White Tank Mountain Regional Park, AZ. 7) Dead Horse Ranch State Park, AZ. 8) Desert View Campground, South rim of Grand Canyon. 9) Mesa Verde RV Resort, CO. 10) Love’s RV Stop, Walsenburg, CO. 11) Historic Lake Scott State Park, KS. 12) Wilson State Park, KS. 13) Milford Lake State Park, KS. 14) Eisenhower State Park, KS. 15) Cracker Barrel, Independence, MO. 16) Dr Edmund A Babler Memorial State Park, Chesterfield, MO We set up camp, relaxed, looked at historical sites, biked, visited friends and relatives, and were wondering why we were ending it so soon. Our Ollie was a trooper through the mountains, we took Rte 60 through New Mexico and Arizona, and put some 3,800 miles on it during the two months. We stopped in Pie Town and of course bought an apple pie. We toured Sedona, Jerome, and rode the Verde Canyon Train. We camped on the edge of the Grand Canyon, toured through Mesa Verde, and even weathered tornado warnings in Kansas. Great trip! Wonderful memories made.