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I still think that there's too little to go on to think that this is more than a few isolated cases. Only time will tell, of course, but like Mike says, if it's a real issue then I'm sure that Oliver will step up and correct it.

First gear, it's alright Second gear, I lean right Third gear, hang on tight Faster, it's alright ...with apologies to Brian Wilson and Mike Love

I think your research should show that Oliver bends over backwards to ensure happy owners. As far a discoloration goes, we’re going on 5 years and have none. I’ll be interested in the resolution of this, too. Also, welcome to the forum! Mike

Well, it is solar ready...

Right before my junior year at Ole Miss a group of friends and myself borrowed a neighbors pop-up camper and I pulled it to the Great Smoky Mountains to camp for a week. I wonder if my old Vette would pull the Outlaw Oliver? Doubt it. But, I did see this at the Winnipeg Boler Rally in 2018.

Hello All, We are honored to be a supplier of Li-ion batteries for Oliver Travel Trailers. My purpose on the forum is to offer you the best customer service and support. If you have any questions let me know how I can help. Larry Crutcher, GM LiFeBlue Battery sales@lifebluebattery.com (920) LiFePO4 (920) 543-3764

Correct. Unless you rewire your tow vehicle and trailer, you'll get minimal charging even with AGMs. Think of it as a maintenance charge. With LFP, think of it as irrelevant. That's nothing specific to Oliver - same with any trailer. It's easier with RVs and vans since the house batteries are in close proximity to the alternator, connected with heavy gauge wiring. Trying to charge a 400Ah battery bank with 30' of 12 awg wire is futile. This comes up all the time. No one would connect their solar panels with 12 gauge wire, yet everyone expects their truck to be able to do it with that - and at four times the distance!

Will do. I have an open service request with Jason and he's sent the question to the R&D team that worked on the Lithium battery option.

This was included in Larry’s first posting and not the second. I am including it as another contact method. Larry Crutcher, GM LiFeBlue Battery sales@lifebluebattery.com (920) LiFePO4 (920) 543-3764 Mossey

I'll just pull the fuse and disable that circuit. In my case, the fuse is under the hood in the main electrical distribution center and it's a dedicated circuit, so it doesn't impact anything else to pull it out. I have a "dummy" fuse to put in there to keep dirt out of the contacts in case I ever want to use it again.

All TVs will "try" to charge batteries if the batteries are asking for energy (through the harness wire). The upgrades mentioned would be required to increase the efficiency of charging (more amps to the battery to put more charge into it). I may worry too much, but Lithiums are not the same as Lead Acid and I don't want to be the guinea pig with a $4K set of batteries. Stock alternators and wires provide a trickle charge (unless upgraded), so they maintain or slowly charge house batteries. Sending a constant un-managed low amp/low voltage trickle charge to Lead-Acid batteries is not dangerous and in fact good for them, but this is not the case for Lithiums - Lithiums cannot accept overcharge. Maybe the LifeBlues manage this internally? Maybe charging with a stock setup can cause repetitive BMS protection cycling and void the warranty? Even if LifeBlue sends my phone a message that says "turn off that trickle charge now!" - I wouldn't be able to without stopping my truck, opening the hood and pulling the fuse. 🙂 I'm hoping LifeBlueBattery can help us understand if there are any risks and if so how to mitigate, etc. No way I'm enabling this TV charging on my new Lithium's without more info.

Yes, it was my thought that Goal Zero/Yeti/Boulder/Nomad might have included a more complete answer. If they sell a reasonable solution (controller and adapters), nrvaleo could quickly solve his issue, and use the panels he already owns .

Hello Larry, thanks for joining the forum. I've just purchased an Oliver Elite II with the LifeBlue Lithium Ion batteries. I was just researching what it would take to charge the LifeBlues from my TV alternator while driving - or even while idling as I'd like to leave my "emergency" generator at home. I see from the LifeBlue spec sheet that it takes between 14.1 and 14.6 volts for the LifeBlue's to absorb charge (recommend 120 amps for 15 minutes). I sent an email about this to your sales team alias and got back a reply and a recommended configuration (see attached diagram). As it stands now, in addition to a solenoid, fuse and a high amp connector, I'd have to upgrade the charge wires in my TV to 0 or 00 gauge to maintain sufficient voltage and the high amps for charging. It's 20' to the end of my truck and probably another 10 to the house LifeBlue's. I asked Jason (service) how they were wiring the hot lead from the TV to the LifeBlue's but haven't heard back yet. I'm pretty sure there will need to be some upgrades to the Oliver to make this happen as well. Any experience, recommendation or thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated. Maybe it's just easier to carry the generator for charging the batteries when there's no other sources available?Alternator Charge Circuit copy.pdf

But how fast with an Oliver in tow, now that is the question. National RV Drag championships may be in order. The off-road RV cross country race, or not. I find it very interesting - much faster, quicker, and costly than the old hot rods of my youth. We probably weren't as fast as we remember.....there is a song n there somewhere. I'll stick with my Diesel, steady and strong. RB

Oh, I know a certain moderator who’s got you beat.

I'm really glad you asked...

Looks like something I would buy as a play toy, but not to pull the Oliver. Your either going camping, or to a Hot Rod Show, there is a difference you know. trainman