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FWIW, Jason responded to my service ticket and said they use VHB to remount.

An Ollie can leak like any other trailer that has holes cut into the roof. The difference is, you see clean, clear water dripping onto the bed, or making a pool on the ground under a weep hole, and you say “Darn, look - a leak”. You reseal the offending spot, or repair the plumbing failure, and contine on your way, maybe get in a game of golf. No sodden fiberglass insulation or brown water running onto, and literally destroying, crappy plywood parts, and generating mold and mildew. We complain about leaks here, but I think that is just so we can hear ourselves talk. They really are a VERY minor concern with these trailers…. There are a few “factory tour” videos, you should watch this one if you haven’t already. …. Oliver Trailers - From the Ground Up ⬆️Factory Tour (181) Dori and Mena John Davies Spokane WA

I am 6’6” tall and have a LEII (Twin) set for delivery in September. The bath is not an issue as it will be used while seated (mostly) anyway. Plenty of height to walk around in socks inside. initially was going for the standard for the bed length but after looking at a few Twins decided to go the twin route and try it. If it does not work there are plenty of options to gain bed length and breadth, including converting to the Standard layout. I have a feeling I will make the Twin work as I am a side and stomach sleeper. Will report back this coming Spring Most other trailers out there (save for Airstream) would not allow me to stand upright inside so a no-go, regardless of price. Airstream was out due to hail and, well, Thor. If you can make it to the sales office do it and spend a lot of time in both twin and standard models. Stretch out, sit on the throne in the bath, walk around back and forth inside, sit at the dinette. I think you will find you can make it work. good luck!

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Thank you ALL for responding, and so quickly! I’m very grateful. Our latest trailer, a 2020 K-Z we just bought last fall, is in the shop waiting for a prognosis after I found the ceiling insulation saturated and brown water running along the ceiling panel joints. It’s so discouraging. This is the third trailer we’ve had with major issues. I just want quality. A company that takes pride in what they build. If it does or doesn’t go back to the factory for the repairs, which will include replacement of delaminating roof decking, I think it’s gone. I almost am ready to quit camping all together. We have two kids in college. Both still want to camp. I’m thankful, but no Oliver really accommodate four adults, and while I’m 6’-5”, my son is 6’-4”. I am so fed up with garbage quality I’m considering the Oliver for the DW and I, and finding a good used pop-up for my son to drag along if he wants to camp. I know the Oliver will last me another 30 years of camping, and my kids will fight over it. I’m so impressed with the details. My son and I are engineers. We agree that the Oliver is close to what we’d design if we were building a trailer… a dream we have, but not a reality. The fit and finish, the details, the lack of points for water and rodent entry, the ease of maintenance, the materials, etc. all add to the list. My wife is not taking part in the $65k plus cost, but I told her in the next 30 years, we’ll go through three stick and tin trailers just because of the poor build quality, harsh Midwest weather, and it sitting outside… but only one Oliver. I’m not winning, but then again, I am the one who deals with the problems. No one else sees the problems. They just camp.

I installed the EZ gutters and we’re into our 3rd year now with our Oliver and so far so good. They don’t keep the windows completely dry but they do drastically reduce the rain runoff from the roof going over the windows. Some people do install the gutter spaced above/away from the window by a few inches to allow easier recaulking of the window frames when needed. I installed mine right against the window frame. I’ll figure out how to deal with the recaulking issue if there’s ever a leak problem. I also ran the gutter all the way down each side to hold it more securely in place around the corners to prevent the gutter from lifting. I had seen photos from some owners that had only run the gutter just a bit around the upper corners, and over time the gutter lifted away. If you do decide to go with the gutter, unroll it and let it sit out in the sun on a good hot day for a few hours to let the material soften up and relax to make it easier to form around the windows

Normally recovery of some equity from sale of a trailer in the future isn't a good plan, but the resale value of an Oliver does mean you should take it into consideration. Much depends on your age, expected usage and RV experience, but even selling in five years should get a minimum of 40-50% back. I'd watch for a used one and have the cash to move quickly, but wouldn't be shy about extending yourself on the purchase, as long as it doesn't put your other financial needs at risk.

Well, have a good trip. We’re in Iowa tonight on our way to Maine. Weird weather, 60 degrees this morning and only got up to low 70s. Sunny. Mike

I would wait a while and see how the new Northern Lite Boreal 27 turns out. They make stellar 4 season truck campers. This may be a winner, and it is a lot larger, the headroom especially. Most likely it will have a steel frame. Guessing…. https://northern-lite.com/boreal-27fb-travel-trailer/ John Davies Spokane WA

The cost may be significant, however, when you consider the years of pleasure you will experience, it doesn't seem that significant at all . . . Here's how my Elite I looks after 13 years.

I posted this back in 2018 but was reminded of this again this morning. While disconnecting my hose I noticed my city water female hose connection fitting was loose. The picture below shows the fitting after I removed the strainer/ washer. You need to carry a 1/2 inch hex key (Allen wrench) or you’ll have to use a bolt with a head that fits a 1/2 inch wrench. Just snug this fitting up after removing the strainer/washer. Be sure to replace the strainer/washer after tightening the fitting. Here is the post that I made about this back in 2018. Just disregard the threadjacking in the middle of the original thread.

After camping for a lifetime, and owning a couple pop-up, a hybrid, and three travel trailers (of which the last may be the last straw) we are looking for something with the best build quality, manufacturers good customer service, and will last a long time. There is nothing in the standard stick and tin or vacuum sealed fiberglass wall market that gives me ANY confidence in buying a new travel trailer after our latest debacle. The Oliver just looks like once in the driveway, it’s here to stay. Sitting within 15 years of retirement, I don’t want another rattle trap, falling apart, leaky travel trailer. I want something to last. I was so impressed with what I saw on Oliver’s website, I’m just about in. The way I see it, I could buy one long term trailer easy care low maintenance trailer now, or buy two at as date trailers for the same cost and a lot more headaches in the same term. The DW doesn’t see it that way. Of course I’m the guy dealing with the maintenance, repairs, warranty fights, etc. Why have you Oliver owners gone this route rather than the industry standard? What do you tell interested parties when they ask questions about your Ollie? Yes, I know they are twice the price of a standard-build unit with less room and sleeping areas, but what pushed you over the edge? We have two adult kids that refuse to give up camping. The Oliver really doesn’t work for them, but I can figure that out. I also wonder if me, at 6’-5” will handle an Ollie. Your thoughts are appreciated! Glad to have joined the forum. Now, should I REALLY join with an Oliver?

So I wanted to upgrade my cell booster to a https://www.weboost.com/products/connect-rv-65. But after I received it; I was surprised by how big the pole was and the connectors that came with it were really not designed for the side of an Ollie. Here is the life hack I came up with...suction cup handles and zip ties. It worked perfectly.

Thanks for all of the comments. The simplicity of the gutters is appealing not to mention the price of admission difference compared to the window awnings. Additionally Carefree of CO recommends mounting them a minimum of 3 inches above the window frame which puts the awning literally right under the porch lights and even that does not provide a full 3 inches of clearance over the window frame. The full view fabric which Carefree now offers also has appeal. Might just go with the Eze RV gutters though. Thanks again.

What was the final outcome of this incident? John

My window gutters have been on for several years and are doing well. My first installation attempt failed because the weather went from 80s to 30s before they had a chance to set and the cold weather reduced the gutter flexibility so they wanted to return to their curled up state. The second installation is doing fine. You can see the rain being diverted around the window. Mike

We’re at Prairie Flower COE north of Des Moines. 59 degrees as I sit here. There’s been plenty of rain. This is a very nice campground. We leave this morning for Indiana Dunes National Park. Staying at Indiana Dunes State Park next door to the NP.

No there’s no latching mechanism on our Ventline. Other than the wooden dowel that we are using now. And regarding microfiber towels, I really like the turquoise colored towels from the Mart of Wal. We use them for wiping down the bath and the exterior and interior of the Oliver. They work real well with Duragloss. In fact I’m using one as a window shade now since I’ve installed the tinted clear glass in the entry door.

Our 2008 Oliver doesn't owe us,a dime, after 14 seasons and many miles of use, and I'm sure we could sell it for original purchase price, if we were so inclined. (We're not.) A big factor is how much you can realistically use your trailer, if you purchase before retirement. My sister bought a lightly used rpod a few years ago, but found she and her husband didn't have time to use it. They only lost a bit on the purchase, but that included covid craze price increases, and a really good deal when she bought it. The adventures of two years were "priceless. "

Time will tell how these trailers work out, there is a lot of junk trailers on the road.

Kampfirekid, We searched for six years, hoping to find a quality trailer that was worth the purchase price. We finally found it, when we saw our first Oliver EliteII in person. I knew it was the trailer for me with just the tour of the exterior. Superior build quality! What a concept in the RV industry. I am 6'5" and honestly, I just fit. I would not want anything smaller and made a few modifications to make it work for me. I replaced the standard interior AC ceiling vent cover with a slim cover, used when the AC is ducted. I can now walk under the AC without hitting my head. I also modified the sleeping area to allow me to sleep on my back at a diagonal. (Picture attached) Andrew

John, All tow vehicles have their compromises. As long as you are okay with keeping your weight down, your Touareg will do great towing an Elite II. We tow with a 2018 BMW X5 35d. It has 255 hp at 4,000 rpm and 413 ft lbs of torque at 1,500 rpm. Very similar to yours. Our limiting factor is the carrying capacity at 1,109 lbs. If I recall correctly, yours should be in the low 1,200 lbs. The 1,109 lbs. has been more than enough for us but, we purposely travel light and equipped our trailer to keep the tongue weight low. If you would like to discuss our experience further, please message me your contact information. Andrew P.S. @DavidS from Salt Lake tows with an 2017 gas Audi Q7

Two points on my installation. First, I wanted the magnet as high on the door as I could get it to minimize door bend when closing it. Second, my first installation had the other half of the magnet on the outside of the dinette seat, then I moved it to the inside under the dinette seat, an idea from @Spike (Jeff) in Arizona. It works great, lessens the magnetic pull but is still strong enough to hold the door. Plus you only see one magnet. Mike

Looks like poor installation on Oliver's part.

Has anyone made a pre-delivery checklist of all these low probability, but occurring failures, scattered about the forums from new owner pickups?