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It appears for the second time in as many weeks, we have taken what started off as a friendly post and turned it into pointing out the potential bad decision of others, regarding their, what appears to be, tow vehicle decision. Given I don't know any of the background regarding the owner, the vehicle or circumstances, I choose to keep the original post friendly and kept my options to myself. If the owner had been identified, and I felt the need, I would have messaged them with my concerns. These types of what I would call "piling on" threads, make this forum seem unfriendly and sometimes down right mean. It is my hope that the owner, is not part of the forum and does not read this thread. I wish I hadn't. One Man's Opinion, Andrew

Now that I have inadvertently 'outed' the owners of this LE2 with this post, in the hopes of learning whether they live in the Pacific Northwest, I suspect they might want to remain anonymous because of our discussion of their choice of tow vehicle. If they do see this post, let's hope they search the Forum for the many discussions about this subject and reconsider their choice of tow vehicle before they find themselves in a bad situation.

John: We had a roof leak in the area of the Truma AC unit the night after we took delivery of Hull #1291, the second Elite II to have a Truma AC installed. We found the leak after towing it to David Crockett State Park in Lawrenceburg, TN. We reported the leak to the Oliver Service staff the following Monday, when we returned to Hohenwald for repairs. They resealed all roof penetrations, which seemed to solve the leak issue. We drove through a couple of snow and rain storms on our way home to Idaho, and found no further leakage. It concerns me that there is no reported "foam seal" between the Truma AC unit and the fiberglass roof on your Hull #1290. Notably, I have learned that Truma is now providing longer installation screws for the AC units to Oliver than the ones that were supplied with the early units. I recommend you submit a ticket to Oliver Service requesting that the longer installation screws be sent to your RV service center so your Truma AC unit can be re-installed with those longer screws, and then resealed. I asked Oliver service to send to me a set of the longer installation screws, should I need them if later leaks appear. I was advised that Truma will allow Oliver to send repair parts only to authorized RV service centers. As a workaround, I asked Oliver Service to email to me a photo of the longer screws, with a description of dimensions and thread pitch, so I can source similar screws elsewhere (like Tacoma Screw). I like to be prepared. I look forward to your report on how the leak issue with Hull #1290 gets resolved, including whether a foam or butyl seal gets installed between the Truma AC unit and the roof!

I wanted to run my furnace to heat the trailer without using any of my onboard propane. I have this valve setup for quick connect for my propane generator so I simply borrowed it for my proof of concept. Worked like a charm as I thought it would.

Yes, the light has to be removed from the chrome bezel first. This is not easy because there’s nothing to grab hold of to pull it out. You just have to keep at it and tease it out. If someone knows an easy removal method, please share. Once out, clip something to the wires so they don’t disappear back down into the hole. The bezel can now be easily removed.

Hello Mossey, The Truma service center in Lakeland Florida installed my Aventa Eco last December. It did replace the Dometic ac which had a Dometic drain kit. The Truma drain kit connected to the existing Oliver drain hose so that Truma drains the same as the original Dometic design. Water draining on the roof was a concern for me also....along with the noise. On low fan speed the Truma much much quieter.....about 60 decibels on my inaccurate iphone app. I jumped on the Truma installation discount and then ended up selling the Dometic (with the easy start removed) for $400. So I tell myself I came out ok but time will tell....one thing is for sure....won't miss the Dometic. Steve

@SteveCr Thank you for answering my question! So now I have more questions. You may have already stated who did your installation or I may have forgotten who did it. I’m guessing it was Truma in Orlando or Elkhart. You have a 2021 LE2 which I assume came equipped with a Dometic A/C and the Dometic drain kit. Did the Truma kit tie into the Dometic kit Oliver installed? Thank you for your patience with my questions, but I will say that condensate draining onto the roof was/is more of a concern for me than the noise so many complain about. And I think that’s why Baskin Robbins has so many flavors of ice cream, there’s something for everyone! Mossey

2021 LE2 Below are excerpts from the Truma installation instruction booklet....screw length calculation addressed. Hope this helps....let me know if you want more. Steve

Probably would have been better to break the “KIA as a tow vehicle” suitability discussion off into a new separate topic thread. Right now this new revised thread title has no relationship to the subject of the original post.

Done…

I do agree that MANY truck and RV Salespeople are probably not the best examples of integrity, but let's not be unfair and just arbitrarily lump those that work at Oliver in with the general bunch. I spent the past three days at the factory and had the opportunity to speak with the sales team as well as several current owners and potential owners. I had towing discussions with all of them. The sales team DOES advise the potential owners against using undersized trucks or these tiny SUV's to try to tow an Elite II with. Obviously, they can't control or, in my opinion, be held responsible for the ultimate decisions made by those that are just getting by. Don't attempt to use the wrong tow vehicle to pull the right trailer.

We had originally ordered the smaller Lithium package. They called us during construction and told us that package was unavailable then. Would we mind if they "bumped us up" to the larger package for an extra 1,000.00 ? Duh...no brainer ! It's a lot of power, but you can never have too much ! We feel more confident the farther we get from the "insanity"...

With the type of pipe insulation I pointed you to, you can simply apply it to a pipe that you can access and then push/slide it along that pipe until it will not slide anymore. This allows you to "reach" into areas without tearing things apart. To do your heat tape you will need very close access to each pipe - that will be very difficult given the time constraints you originally mentioned.

The large 7 wire cable enters the hull under the bathroom sink so there isn’t anywhere outside to test. Oliver’s wiring schematic’s are pretty accurate color wise, so I believe you should start looking under the sink or the front dinette seat for the green wire leaving the large bundle of wires in wire loom. Mossey

Spot on. Had the same issue with some interior lights. Just took my small needle nosed vice grips and gave the connections a bit of tightening and all fixed.

Thanks for the input guys!! I like referring to them as marker lights too…. and since both upper and lower lights went out together I assumed something other than a bulb was likely. I was hoping to pull the bulb and check for power there. Do they just pop out from the chrome frame? Thanks for the schematic Mossemi - I think your red circles are correct. Does anyone know if the first joint in that line is accessible in/under the tounge of the trailer’s exterior ….. or if there is any chance the wire is actually green?

I'm wondering why the original title of my post, "Who Might You Be?", was changed? I certainly didn't do it. The can has been opened, and the worms are not coming back.

2021 LE2. Yes, it is similar to the Dometic....$21.65 was my cost for this kit. Below are the instructions.... Steve

I believe I have circled the marker lights in red in the attachment. If someone has a different thought, please share it. Mossey

2021 LE2 Below is another thought from the Aventa operation manual. Not sure if iced up condensation drains would allow interior water leakage under certain circumstances. When Truma installed my Aventa at Lakeland Fl, I asked if they would perform a water leak test. The answer was "NO". They relied on their installation practice to insure water tightness and had no reported problems. Since December installation I have not suffered any leak issues. It has not be subject to snow/ice.....just the liquid stuff. I believe a Truma installation manual came with my unit. I'll look for a diagram/parts list and post if found. Steve

My representation of salespeople was the usual SOB brands, not Oliver. OTT is indeed more reputable than many others. One of the first questions I was asked when I contacted OTT for information was, "What is your tow vehicle?" OTOH, I have listened to many SOB salesmen saying, "Of course you can tow this (42' fifth wheel) with your F150!"

rich.dev: FYI, you should not need the longer screws. Your 2023 Elite II scheduled for delivery in mid-May will have the longer screws already installed. The short screws were only used for the first few Truma AC units installed back in 2022.

Oliver was made aware of the leak on Friday, so hopefully they're working on a solution. The service center sent 10 pictures to OTT after they removed the inner A/C cover. I also created a service ticket, which may be redundant as it's still in the shop after they fixed the gas leak to the Truma heater and OTT was made aware of it when someone was checking the gas leak and saw the water. John

I doubt there's any liability for OTT. The driver is responsible for the safe operation of their vehicle. As long as OTT correctly identifies the "as manufactured" weight, I think they're good. It's like every RV salesperson says: "Sure, you can tow this with your [insert vehicle here]!"

After all the discussions I've read on the Forum about appropriate tow vehicles, that was my first thought once I noticed that the Ollie is an LE2. There are quite a few long and steep grades on Interstate 5 between Redding, CA and the Eugene, OR area, with the highest point being at Siskiyou Summit (4310 feet) just south of Ashland. While some of the larger SUVs might have the horsepower to pull the trailer up the grades at a decent speed, I wouldn't feel comfortable on the downhills with a lighter tow vehicle.

There are a few owners that have name their Oliver - Olive. I believe that one of them had the "third brake light" decal changed to that. And, of course, there is at least one Oliver named Olivia. Bill p.s. Almost any print shop/sign shop worth its weight can easily make a hull number decal for you and they are fairly easy to apply too.

If you’re asking about my installation, the screws just came from Lowe’s as “stainless”, no mention of what grade or type of stainless. And I don’t recall the length, probably 1/2” or 5/8”. The Husky mud flaps are pretty thick, plus the thickness of large diameter stainless flat washers and lock washers (and I used LocTite as well on the threads. I didn’t want the mud flaps coming loose! 🙂). But you are correct, the right length is important to prevent the screw from bottoming out in the aluminum T slot extrusion before it actually clamps down on the mud flap or the frame cross rail.

“Lottie” is what I named my E2, as in, “la di frickin da!” “Down by the river” seemed too long for a name. 🤪

When we were given our Hull #461, the name “Ocean Boulevard” immediately came to mind. Haven’t gotten around to putting a palm tree decal on the trailer yet though. And I don’t want to call the trailer “Eric” 😂.

Tom is not a fan of naming anything either, but I am calling her "Olive." Partly due to the Oliver connection of course, and partly because I am a big fan of the author Elizabeth Strout and she has two "Olive" books - "Olive Kitteridge" and "Olive, Again." As an avid reader, that sealed the deal for "Olive," for me anyway. I'm quite sure Tom has performed an eye roll or two when I use it, but so far he's been very discreet about it. 😀 Unfortunately, OTT doesn't allow customization of the back sign any longer or we would have put our hull number there. Instead, we ordered a special license plate - "EGG - 1321" and are looking forward to receiving it soon. Happy trails everyone!

Thank you sharing. Love your motivation, very inspiring! You go girl!💪🏼

As most have figured out we're calling ours Ollie-Haus. A little conjunction playing on our last name. We do this a lot. Our home is referred to as Arrowhead-Haus. We live at Arrowhead golf course north of Greenfield Indiana. Our garden shed is labeled The Green-Haus. We grow bedding plants in there in the early spring, and it has green siding. The garage is The Carriage-Haus, cause what else would we call it. 😜

I'm with TopGun on this. We just got back from a trip in Quebec. Not to get into gory details but we've opened the entire basement up to heated airflow and done other mods to assure all the pex lines are kept above 50 degrees even when it's below 0. Our water system still froze in specific spots most notably where they are in contact with the existing reflectix insulation which seems to do OK with radiational heat loss but not so good in conductive situations. I suspect the tanks sitting directly on a single layer of reflectix against the bottom of the trailer, would be super susceptible to freezing. Water froze inside our exterior ports (city, winterization and fresh water) even though we had them insulated nicely with sealed foam tubes. As to the Truma, the unit works perfectly as long as the lines feeding it water don't freeze and ours did. You can't drive with the Truma on as the wind can blow out it's pilot light. You can either buy the anti-freeze kit or can opt to just winterize that unit. Super easy to do and you use little water but, we found, water dripping off the unit can fill in the slots that the little access door sits in and we then had to use a hair drier (don't ask) to melt it free. As suggested above, travel with water and big body wipes till temps are reliably no lower than the mid 20s. Can survive a night of a bit lower if it gets above freezing in the day but otherwise the risk is not worth the consequence. We use a 7 gallon container w/spigot (Walmart) plus two one gallon, soft sided "canteens" from amazon (all BPA free), body wipes and "waterless shampoo" which works for a week. Any longer, we find a spa, gym or rec center where we can access a shower. We opted for the composting toilet so no water wasted on flushing. Clean dishes in a small pop open sink (Amazon) which fits in the sink and spray clean with a tiny half gallon garden sprayer with a light bleach mix. Works great. Not ideal for a "4 season" camper should be but absolutely doable. Have a great trip.

Hoorah. Ollie lives! Stolen rig returned! Police found it behind a stolen tow vehicle behind a locked gate (locks cut) in a rancher's field less than a mile from the police station. It was stuck in the mud and two people who had been living in it had gone out to get a friend to help them get out of the mud when the rancher arrived, and the thieves raced away. Police didn't catch them, but they did find identifying evidence (jail release papers) and opioid detox meds from the jail pharmacy for one of them. Of course, most of my gear was stolen, and a lot of their stuff was in it. Thank goodness for the fiberglass inner hull which will make it much easier to clean/sanitize. There's work to do: negotiating with insurance, broken off stabilizer jack to replace, spray paint on the hull, stolen spare tire and fiberglass cover, destroyed door lock, wrecked entry stair and scratches on the hull, plus cleaning, fumigating and replacing contents, but we will be on the road again this spring and summer. So here's my question: fourteen years in my driveway in a big city, and never messed with before. Reasonable quality hitch lock and motion detector lights. What all do you folks recommend as security systems. You can bet I am paranoid, and short of trying to build an enclosure, what do you folks do to keep your beloved rigs safe? Thanks, Angler, Hull #27 470257C6-C213-48CD-8B61-9549EEBF0A7F.heic 502D75D4-929A-499C-A8A7-E01237E6022A.heic

Hi all, we have #1290 and as far as I know, our hull was the first to get the Truma A/C. We picked up on November 7. No leaking until last week. We live in Oregon so we have had rain since pick up. We had about 6-7 inches of snow last week. It's at the RV service center as I had a propane leak on the Truma heater. After the snow melted, the service center went inside to check the propane leak and discovered about a pint to a quart of water that had leaked onto the floor. None on the mattresses. OTT is working on it. The service center said there wasn't a foam seal between the roof and the A/C unit. If you have a Truma A/C, you might want to check your trailer. Hopefully an easy fix. Our camping trip this week won't happen. John

You are not alone - we were attacked in October in western NC. Fought hard to prevent and/or evict them. Jan/Feb 2023 we too went to Florida for our annual fair weather trek and, like you, we were seeing one or two daily for two months. I think they are now gone but wouldn’t bet much on that.