Oliver - again?

[BackofBeyond]

It has been a long time since I have been on the forum. We had 359, 2018, and went a lot of places, really enjoyed the experience but other life choices got in the way, and we let it go to some good folks that were sure to enjoy it. One of the key reasons for selling was the crowds that seemed to be everywhere we went. A few questions for the forum - has the crowding subsided at all, and Wow, the prices now - seems $100k is the entry price for a II, - do the newer owners feel the value is still there from a quality and feature standpoint. I'm really liking most of the changes - and am actually looking at the smaller Elite - but not sure the price differential is worth the downsizing Thanks for any feedback.. 

[taylor.coyote]

We got our trailer in 2019 and feel like the crush of people in the outdoors was and is still significant. Our solution has been to spend most of our time off the grid, off paved roads and away from the national parks except for the off season. We have had fantastic trips Nov through Jan in the southwest the last couple of years. 

Count us out for mainstream campgrounds, state and national parks May through August.  We must work to avoid crowds but have always found wide open space in the west side of the USA.  Lots of BLM and other remote space to explore. 

If you are opposed to gravel roads and off-season travels, you will likely be crushed by the crowds.

Yep, 100k for new trailer is a big bite. We found ours used in great shape. We did have to upgrade solar / batteries and few other things but got great value buying used. Water is the gating item for extended of the grid  travel. We equipped our truck with an additional 30 gallon water tank enabling extend time off the grid.

 Best of luck. Hope to cross paths in the open spaces out west.

 

[FloraFauna]

We find it reasonably easy to escape crowds but it depends on your style and setup. A few of our rules that have led to success.  We almost never camp on friday and saturday nights.  We rarely hook up to anything ( water, electricity, etc).  With these two alone we find crowds are easy to avoid. 

We purchased in 2023 and it was pricey then but its all a matter of perspective.  Alot less than a class a, b or c and we already had our tow vehicle.   So all in all the quality and manufacturer support structure make it worthwhile for us.

[BackofBeyond]

Thanks - we did a lot of boondocking, and don't have a problem getting there, gravel, dirt, or whatever. Good point on the class b, 100 grand for a lot less capability. We usually carried extra 10 gal of h2o and had the composting toilet - still undecide on this going forward. The shoulder seasons will be targeted this time around, now that "work" is behind us. 

[topgun2]

$100,000 has a BUNCH of sticker shock value.

However, - roughly speaking - the value of a dollar declines around 50% every seven to ten years or so.  So, I bought my Oliver is 2016 for about $55,000 and to the degree that inflation statistics are true then my Oliver would "normally" be priced at around $110,000 in today's dollars.  And, today's Oliver has a number of what used to be options already included in the price plus a few things that have been improved over the past ten plus years.  Finally, I look at the value of my net worth compared to ten + years ago and realize that I'm in better financial shape today then I was in 2016.

Come on back to the Family!  We're waiting for you.

Bill

[DanielBoondock]

I took 5-6 years to make a choice. Started Oliver, went through the Airstreams, Escapes to Bigfoot, and almost last minute fortunately went back to Oliver which was the absolute right choice. I’ve only become happier with it as times gone on. But unfortunately during that period the price got seriously jacked up. Originally I think it was running in the 60’s which was fine but now is over 100k. On the good side it was worth the wait, the only two features I wanted in the trailer was an induction stove and frameless windows - both which happened to drop in 2026 when we were buying. More luck, the ‘27’s dropped the valances, roller shades and single control windows which I prefer. So it was the right time for us regardless of the price. 

As for value the nearest competitor is Airstreams which are roughly the same price. But there you get (crummy IMO) manual awnings, no battery with little upgrade options, 2kW inverter IIRC, no compost option (LOVE THE COMPOST TOILET lol …) and a trailer which leaks. As many Airstreamers have said “it WILL leak”. As for pizzaz the Airstreams are awfully cool to look at, but so is the Oliver. Not a lot in the West and I constantly get compliments “that’s the prettiest little trailer I’ve seen”. Under the hood the Oliver is just superior in every way too. Not looking down my nose on Airstream - I wanted to buy at one point, but being an engineer I looked deep into them and they’re consumer grade honestly. 

[Steph and Dud B]

We have a 2022 Elite 2. I don't think the quality of our particular unit is as good as ones from earlier years. Maybe it was the rapid expansion of production due to COVID, or maybe ours was just built on a Monday, can't say, but we've had quite a few issues. OTOH, there are things missing on the current models that we enjoy on ours. We like the rear window that can open, the built-in sound system, the larger freezer in our fridge, the reading lights on both ends of the beds, and a few other details not present on the new units. I don't think we would buy another new Oliver at the current price points. (If we were buying today, we'd be looking at a Wingamm mini-motorhome.)

[CRM]

3 hours ago, topgun2 said:

$100,000 has a BUNCH of sticker shock value.

However, - roughly speaking - the value of a dollar declines around 50% every seven to ten years or so.  So, I bought my Oliver is 2016 for about $55,000 and to the degree that inflation statistics are true then my Oliver would "normally" be priced at around $110,000 in today's dollars. 

55k in 2016 is around 76-77k in today's dollars. Though as you say- there more standard options these days. 

[Mike and Carol]

Life events have put our travel on hold this past year, but on our last long trip to the PNW last fall we did see lots of crowds at most of the 7 national parks we visited.  Less crowding durning the week, but weekends were busy.  We stayed at some really nice state parks in WA, OR, ID and UT that were not crowded at all.

$100K is a lot for an Oliver, we’d be stretched if we needed to buy one now.  Like Bill, ours seemed like a lot of money in 2016 ($51K) but not as scary as 100K.  There have been some significant changes and upgrades, windows, shades, bathroom door, convection, and more.  Not to mention batteries/power options.  We thought 4 AGMs was a big deal 10 years ago!

Welcome back!  Mike

[Snackchaser]

One area of quality that I've never seen discussed, is the level and plumb of interior cabinets.  Our kitchen counters are way off level from the floor, and from any other area where you might normally check for level when parking.  Consequently, we have to set level from the kitchen countertop, to keep the stove level, and then everything else is off level.  That might be a good delivery checklist item, because I would have never accepted that condition, but I didn't discover it until we got back to California. 

It looks like the countertop could be removed and leveled out easy enough, but then the drawers would still roll out on their own with the floor level.