Moderators Mike and Carol Posted December 22, 2023 Author Moderators Share Posted December 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, MAX Burner said: Agree 100%, very tough stuff! With the $16k "range extender" best case scenario towing range of 230 miles - not bad if there's chargers available. But out west...? The question is can it charge while towing with RV solar packages...? The range extender does take up valuable bed space. Plus, it would get frustrating having to stop and charge, maybe even needing to disconnect the trailer to get into some chargers. Lots of RV’s in the western US and even if every gas station had chargers it would take a while waiting for the charging process to finish. I can fill my diesel tank in a lot less time. Mike 2 Texas Hill Country | 2016 Elite II #135 | 2020 Ram 2500 6.7L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAX Burner Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Thinking about future OTT having electric motors at the wheels for electro/mechanical assist while towing - extending the range even more. Nonetheless, we're eventually entering into a new realm of RV'ing... 1 Art, Diane, Magnus & Oscar (double-Aaarrf!) 2022 TUNDRA 2017 LE II; Hull #226 "Casablanca" HAM call-sign: W0ABX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jd1923 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 4 hours ago, Mike and Carol said: The reason I posted this is because a lot of us like to discuss new technology... Mike That's good enough reason and we all enjoy frequenting here for many reasons. Thanks Mike! ☺️ Some of my writing can be merely for exclamation, e.g. "Why are we talking about this here?" Didn't mean it literally, so please take no offense! This has been a fun post, even for us EV detractors! I've mainly seen stainless steel fab'd in the restaurant industry, where they curve the counter ends using a press and bend/shape SS panels to make exhaust hoods, etc. I didn't watch the video either and these fenders must be more than SS, as most stainless is relatively soft, and not at all "bullet-proof." You got me thinking of the DeLorean, after I posted that picture. I ended up watching some of Back to the Future which I had not seen in 30 years! 🤣 1 1 Chris & John in Prescott, AZ | 2016 EII #113 | '01 Ram 2500 Cummins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jd1923 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Mike and Carol said: ... I can fill my diesel tank in a lot less time. Mike This is the simple reason an EV truck is not a good TV, and likely will not be in our lifetimes (thinking those of us now at retirement age). But what if solar technology gets to the point that the TT can carry enough capacity to feed the TV? You would need a DC-to-DC charger is reverse! Then I'm in for an EV TV! Technology for technology's sake? I like to see application. But could I afford one? That's like political/government types thinking that everybody who drives an older car today can just buy an EV. They are not cheap. A $16 Range Extender means $16K in batteries and yes, they take space and GVW. "Can the charge cord reach you with TT attached?" Another good point. I only see charge stations at some hotels. Perhaps they're more prevalent along the Pacific coast. I wonder, who is paying for the electricity? RV parks would need dual hook-ups. Commuters will charge overnight without concern. Having a commuter EV that doesn't create emissions, need oil changes, and other maintenance of the internal combustion engine is where the EV will shine. 2 Chris & John in Prescott, AZ | 2016 EII #113 | '01 Ram 2500 Cummins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 More interesting news on the Teslas cyber truck problems. https://www.yahoo.com/news/austin-problem-tesla-descends-battery-111607306.html 2020 OLEII - Hull #634 aka- “XPLOR” TV 2021 F350 6.7 liter Diesel Lariat Ultimate Tremor Retro upgrades - Truma Aventa 13.5 AC, Alcan 5 leaf pack, Alcan HD shackles & HD wet bolts, 5200lb axles. XPEL 10 mil PPF front both front corners, 30 lb LP tanks, Sea Biscuit Front Cargo Storage box. North Carolina 🇺🇸 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators SeaDawg Posted December 23, 2023 Moderators Share Posted December 23, 2023 @Mike and Carol, wish I could see one in person. Thanks for the info. I have a reservation for one, as many here know, but I'm probably 250, 000 tp 300, 000 down the list. Rumor has it that Tesla will be asking for a stronger financial commitment in the near future,and I'm not ready for that til I see one. If it's way bigger than an f150, it won't fit in my garage slot, and I'll stay with my smaller 2005 Silverado for some years more. (I'm not fond of driving huge trucks, anymore, anyway. Did that, and done.Drove big box trucks with my dad, when i was young,,and towed a lot of big trailers. ) My truck is mostly local driving, rarely leaves the four county area. We don't need it for towing, but we don't typically buy anything that can't at least tow our elite locally. We have two trucks, and an ev, so no worries, there. For a little bit more info on the unusual "planar" design, note that the cybertruck uses a special, proprietary alloy. Makes it "bulletproof," and probably impervious to door dings and shopping cart dingss in parking lots, as well. 😄 But,,what about repair costs if in an accident? IDK. Our tesla hasn't cost us anything but tires, and a replacement 12v accessory battery, in the time we've owned it. Great vehicle for commuting/around town_shorter trips. We charge on solar at home, and free charging at superchargers. Longest trip has probably been 700 miles each way. Long trips require more stops, which my knees and back (and our dog) like, but time is surely a factor. If we take the Teala on a trip, wr add 25 to 30 per cent more time. PS most new Tesla stations have added a station or two to accommodate towing a trailer. Older stations, not. https://www.worldautosteel.org/why-steel/steel-muscle-in-new-vehicles/tesla-cybertruck/ 4 2008 Ram 1500 4 × 4 2008 Oliver Elite, Hull #12 Florida and Western North Carolina, or wherever the truck goes.... 400 watts solar. DC compressor fridge. No inverter. 2 x 105 ah agm batteries . Life is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbertNTerri Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 When Elon Musk and his Space-X honchos started successfully landing rockets on boats in the ocean (to my knowledge, NASA has never remotely landed a rocket anywhere, let alone on a floating platform), I figured that his engineering groups are head and shoulders above anything that has every been seen before. When he proposed a class 8 semi EV, Bill Gates made headlines saying that it was physically impossible (IE, against the laws of physics) to make such a vehicle since the weight of the batteries would preclude it from having a functional hauling capacity. This too proved to not be the case. The Tesla semi continues to rack up miles and data which is looking more and more like the wave of the future. I expect the cybertruck is just the tip of the iceberg, and that in the next few months and years we will be seeing more and more improvements in the technology and capabilities to the point where in the next few years I expect that internal combustion vehicles will go the way of the buggy and steam locomotive. 1 Albert & Terri Sterns Paonia, Colorado Elite II Hull #1125 Standard Floorplan / 2017 Ford F250 gas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators bugeyedriver Posted December 23, 2023 Moderators Share Posted December 23, 2023 While EVs may be coming and ICE engines going, it cannot be accomplished on an arbitrary date. Population density and relatively shorter distances in the northeastern corridor of the nation are not the same conditions as west of the Mississippi. A reliable and well spaced charging station infrastructure must exist before mandating the end of ICE vehicles. And then, we will need a reliable 24hr energy infrastructure, capable of supplying the enormous amount of energy to replace all of the BTUs found in the gasoline and diesel in all the vehicles plying our nations's roads. We do not live in ' Fifteen Minute Cities'. We hit the roads and explore . . . 6 Pete & "Bosker". TV - '18 F150 Super-cab Fx4; RV - "The Wonder Egg"; '08 Elite, Hull Number 014. Travel blog of 1st 10 years' wanderings - http://www.peteandthewonderegg.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chukarhunter Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 1 hour ago, bugeyedriver said: While EVs may be coming and ICE engines going, ICE engines will fade from vehicles, but hopefully ground based ICE generators will expand in rural areas to support grid-independent DC fast charging facilities. Using technology available today, these hybrid renewable EV fueling complexes can be built with a combination of on-site solar and/or wind power, some flow battery storage, and ICE generators with on-site fuel storage. The ICE generators would burn locally produced renewable diesel (not biodiesel) made with agricultural or forest biomass. All at lower cost than today’s grid-connected fast chargers that rely on expensive, increasingly unreliable grid supplied energy. And unlike every charging station in place today, these chargers would continue to work when the grid goes down. Rural economies would be the big winners. 3 Steve and Lornie LE II Standard Hull #657 2004 4Runner 4.7 L V8 Oregon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators mossemi Posted April 26 Moderators Share Posted April 26 My first Cybertruck sighting! I stopped at my favorite donut shop this morning on my way to the vet's office and this dark green Cybertruck was parked at the strip center. I have mixed thoughts on it’s looks, how about you? Mossey Mike and Krunch Lutz, FL 2017 LEII #193 “the dog house” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators topgun2 Posted April 26 Moderators Share Posted April 26 2 minutes ago, mossemi said: I have mixed thoughts on it’s looks, how about you? Nothing mixed here - I simply don't care for it! ☹️ 3 1 1 2023 Ford F150 Lariat 3.5EB FX4 Max Towing, Max Payload, 2016 Oliver Elite II - Hull #117 "Twist" Near Asheville, NC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) My thoughts when I see a cyber truck - the design was hijacked, looted, swiped, plundered or made off with from the inventor of the dumpster. 😄 Just not a fan. Edited April 26 by Patriot 7 1 2020 OLEII - Hull #634 aka- “XPLOR” TV 2021 F350 6.7 liter Diesel Lariat Ultimate Tremor Retro upgrades - Truma Aventa 13.5 AC, Alcan 5 leaf pack, Alcan HD shackles & HD wet bolts, 5200lb axles. XPEL 10 mil PPF front both front corners, 30 lb LP tanks, Sea Biscuit Front Cargo Storage box. North Carolina 🇺🇸 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dorrer Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Wonder how long to tow an Oliver LE-2 coast to coast,maybe 3-4 weeks🤣 1 John & Susan Dorrer, 2013 F250, 6.2 gasser, 4x4, 2022 Legacy Elite 2, twin beds, Hull #1045, Jolli Olli - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Mike and Carol Posted April 27 Author Moderators Share Posted April 27 My neighbor has a Cybertruck so I see it about everyday. Not a fan, but it doesn’t seem as weird as it first did. Texas Hill Country | 2016 Elite II #135 | 2020 Ram 2500 6.7L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators bugeyedriver Posted April 27 Moderators Share Posted April 27 That's because your subconscious is trying its best to shield you from its absurdity. 2 4 Pete & "Bosker". TV - '18 F150 Super-cab Fx4; RV - "The Wonder Egg"; '08 Elite, Hull Number 014. Travel blog of 1st 10 years' wanderings - http://www.peteandthewonderegg.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAX Burner Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 One would almost need a Star Wars stormtrooper outfit to be seen driving that truck around town. 3 Art, Diane, Magnus & Oscar (double-Aaarrf!) 2022 TUNDRA 2017 LE II; Hull #226 "Casablanca" HAM call-sign: W0ABX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator+ ScubaRx Posted April 27 Moderator+ Share Posted April 27 8 hours ago, mossemi said: My first Cybertruck sighting! I stopped at my favorite donut shop this morning on my way to the vet's office and this dark green Cybertruck was parked at the strip center. I have mixed thoughts on it’s looks, how about you? Mossey It looks a bit like a dumpster. 1 2 Steve, Tali and our dog Rocky plus our beloved dogs Storm, Lucy, Maggie and Reacher (all waiting at the Rainbow Bridge) 2008 Legacy Elite I - Outlaw Oliver, Hull #026 | 2014 Legacy Elite II - Outlaw Oliver, Hull #050 | 2022 Silverado High Country 3500HD SRW Diesel 4x4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator+ ScubaRx Posted April 27 Moderator+ Share Posted April 27 On 12/23/2023 at 10:23 AM, bugeyedriver said: We do not live in ' Fifteen Minute Cities'. We hit the roads and explore . . . Well, most of us do. We've already racked up over 6K miles since the middle of January with our yearly trip to Quartzsite and then back to Texas for the Eclipse. Next are two Oliver rally's back to back and then out to Colorado and back. Probably another 12-15K miles over the next 3-4 months. We've seen two car haulers full of those cyber trucks in the last few months. I still think they are butt ugly. 1 2 Steve, Tali and our dog Rocky plus our beloved dogs Storm, Lucy, Maggie and Reacher (all waiting at the Rainbow Bridge) 2008 Legacy Elite I - Outlaw Oliver, Hull #026 | 2014 Legacy Elite II - Outlaw Oliver, Hull #050 | 2022 Silverado High Country 3500HD SRW Diesel 4x4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator+ ScubaRx Posted April 27 Moderator+ Share Posted April 27 On 12/23/2023 at 12:22 PM, Chukarhunter said: And unlike every charging station in place today, these chargers would continue to work when the grid goes down. Rural economies would be the big winners. I suppose other parts of the country must have grid problems much more often than our neck of the woods. I've lived within 20 miles of where I live currently for greater than the last 7 decades. Our power comes from TVA and has for almost 100 years. Tupelo was the first TVA city starting in the early 1930's. At least in my lifetime that grid has never failed. I've lived in this house for over 40 years and I can remember only twice the power went out. Once during a severe ice storm in 1994 and again in 2014 after an EF3 tornado that we missed because we were traveling. 3 Steve, Tali and our dog Rocky plus our beloved dogs Storm, Lucy, Maggie and Reacher (all waiting at the Rainbow Bridge) 2008 Legacy Elite I - Outlaw Oliver, Hull #026 | 2014 Legacy Elite II - Outlaw Oliver, Hull #050 | 2022 Silverado High Country 3500HD SRW Diesel 4x4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators mossemi Posted April 27 Moderators Share Posted April 27 10 hours ago, John Dorrer said: Wonder how long to tow an Oliver LE-2 coast to coast,maybe 3-4 weeks🤣 That actually sounds like a great trip, a month going, a month there and a month back. Now if I just could convince Krunch of that! Mossey 1 Mike and Krunch Lutz, FL 2017 LEII #193 “the dog house” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators mossemi Posted April 27 Moderators Share Posted April 27 10 hours ago, Mike and Carol said: Not a fan, but it doesn’t seem as weird as it first did. I think I said the same thing about AMC's Gremlin and Pacer! Looking back, they still look weird! Mossey 4 Mike and Krunch Lutz, FL 2017 LEII #193 “the dog house” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators mossemi Posted April 27 Moderators Share Posted April 27 4 hours ago, ScubaRx said: At least in my lifetime that grid has never failed. I've lived in this house for over 40 years and I can remember only twice the power went out. Once during a severe ice storm in 1994 and again in 2014 after an EF3 tornado that we missed because we were traveling. They sure don’t build them like they used to! Mossey Mike and Krunch Lutz, FL 2017 LEII #193 “the dog house” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) It is nothing short of chilling how ancient, how outdated and how insecure our national grid is. After 3 1/2 decades serving in the government I wish I could elaborate more. Upon retiring I signed nondisclosures. If only the general public really knew the truth. Our national grid needs to be upgraded in so many ways. Edited April 27 by Patriot 3 2020 OLEII - Hull #634 aka- “XPLOR” TV 2021 F350 6.7 liter Diesel Lariat Ultimate Tremor Retro upgrades - Truma Aventa 13.5 AC, Alcan 5 leaf pack, Alcan HD shackles & HD wet bolts, 5200lb axles. XPEL 10 mil PPF front both front corners, 30 lb LP tanks, Sea Biscuit Front Cargo Storage box. North Carolina 🇺🇸 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronbrink Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 15 hours ago, mossemi said: I have mixed thoughts on it’s looks, how about you? WE ARE NOT ALONE! 2 2020 OLEll, Twin, 579: No installed solar, Renogy 40A DC-DC charger, 460Ah LFP battery bank/Victron SmartShunt, Hughes Autoformer, dual Lagun tables, auxiliary Cerbo-S GX/Victron 30A Blue Smart IP22 Charger combo, Dreiha Atmos 4.4 a/c upgrade. 2019 GMC Savana 2500 Cargo Van: 6.0L V8 Vortec, 6-Speed Automatic; Explorer Limited SE, Low-Top 7 Passenger van conversion, RWD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering Sagebrush Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) 17 hours ago, topgun2 said: Nothing mixed here - I simply don't care for it! ☹️ IMO… It’s so ugly a person would need to shave its behind and teach it to always drive backwards. Edited April 27 by Wandering Sagebrush 4 Hull #364 - The Roadrunner 2023 F350 CCLB SRW 6.7L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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