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That other owner would be me!!! Yep, never driven a truck or pulled a trailer of any kind. Also haven't camped in at least 50 years. But, I love my Oliver (hull #267). Bought it used from two ladies that brought it to me. It was a beauty, oh and it still is. Still figuring things out but it is getting easier. This forum has helped me out so many time it is unreal! Also have been to Steve and Tali's house for installation of the slide in the Tundra and by the way, I bought the Tundra from and Oliver owner I met at the rally last year. This is just one big happy family!!! LOL. And I enjoyed eating dinner with you and Krunch last year. Hopefully we will run into each other again. Nan Wallace - probably one of the oldest members at 73 years old...again LOL.

We're not that far from the factory. If you want extra outlets installed, bring your trailer to our house after your pickup and together we'll put outlets any where you want them. Won't cost you a dime.

Meeting Ollie owners is the best part of an Oliver rally, and I can understand why people going to Lake Guntersville still want to connect with each other. I want to remind people that the pandemic is serious and It is best to exercise appropriate cautions. It would be good to wear masks when talking to people, especially when visiting inside a trailer. Reasonable actions concerning shared food activities can improve safety. Disinfect surfaces. No finger foods or shared appetizer bowls. Serving utensils can transmit virus via hands, so each family group should bring their own serving utensils to food events. Alternatively, social interactions could happen without shared food, in the interest of safety. Of course anyone with symptoms would not attend the rally, but with a group this size the odds are significant of having at least one asymptomatic person capable of transmitting the virus. We don’t want this to be a Superspreader event, where people from diverse locales are brought together and then return to spread the virus through their home communities and family groups. Stay safe.

Edit: I see others have responded while I was composing this post. And yes I had to unload the groceries and take out the garbage and I’ll admit to not multi tasking very well. For the newcomers, let me begin by saying that I am an Oliver Fanboy. I may not be #1 but I’m probably in the top 10. So now that you know where I am coming from, please don’t be offended because none is intended. I certainly understand that not everyone is a handyman capable of doing some of the modifications that are discussed on this forum, but there are plenty of owners that are and will assist in any way possible. Just ask Jan, who bought a used OTT with no RV experience at all and I don’t believe she every drove a truck either much less towed a trailer of any sort. And trying very hard to remain a gentleman, I won’t guess her age because she told us while having dinner at the 2019 Oliver Owners Rally and I forgot it. And I don’t know the whole story, but I do believe some forum members helped deliver the trailer to her and they and other members helped her with towing lessons. And I would guess that if someone camped next to you and they didn’t know how to connect a sewer hose or back into to their camping spot or any of the other things that come up while camping, you or any of us would offer to help in any way we could. I believe this forum has a wealth of information and knowledge regarding OTT's from the ground up. What I don’t think it has is very much information on the latest trailers being made or to be made. So I think the best place for those questions are with the Oliver sales team. If there are items such as electrical outlets for instance, that are not in the location you want them, then the service department might be able to accommodate you needs. And if they can’t, stop by and we'll figure it out. So keep your questions coming because for me, communicating about OTT’s is almost as much fun as using it. Mossey

I'll do your plumbing, I draw the line at waxing.

If I bring my trailer over, will you finish the plumbing work I started? Also, it could use a coat of wax.

Sure, always glad to help.

6' 3" 295#. We pick our Ollie up Monday. The 2 times my wife and I were in Hohenwald the bathroom was a concern and the bed length. As others have said in reply that the shower is adequate. I had room to shower and maneuver just fine. Of course I would like a little more room but to me it is all part of the experience of camping. My last 2 campers have been a 32' motor home and a pop-up. The Ollie has a huge bathroom compared to the pop-up! The bed length is fine because I do not sleep in a straight line. The king size bed would have been nice but the trade off of having access to cabinets and the hall way made the twin option better for us. The best option is to make the trip to see an Ollie in person. They are a unique camper in function and craftsmanship.

I find that the wet bath gives my wife and I just enough space to do what we need. We got the factory shower curtain, and it keeps the rest of the bathroom nice and dry. The shower is on the small side, and sometimes the curtains bumps us while showering, but it isn't anything that effects function. I would much rather have the current wet bath then lose my nice closet. We don't spend much time showering in a typical day, so we deem it perfectly acceptable. My parents however are on the larger side, and have informed me the shower could never work for them, so I guess it all comes down to personal preference.

Our Clam Venture (5) sided shelter arrived this afternoon. It appears well made, it deployed and came down and packed up fast. I bought a few cans of Kiwi Camp Dry to treat the optional (4) sides and roof at some point. The carry bag is actually quite well made and up for the task. The shelter appears to be well constructed and this particular size as Mike mentioned will lay in the back of a our TV bed. The above YouTube reviewer was accurate in his description. I will try and stage a photo with our camping chairs and table at some point in the future. Based on my initial review out of the box, fast set up and the fit and finish, I would recommend this shelter.

For potential buyers, I encourage you to call the sales team with specific questions. It’s okay to ask here, but you may or may not get the right answer, depending on who responds. The sales team will have the latest information. Mike

We were told that our rv qualifies as a 2nd home. As does our boat. Bath. Cooking facilities. Sleeping quarters . Ditto with the boat. Verify with your own cpa. Sherry

Not everyone. 100% of Oliver owners do. Or if they don't, they've made a terrible mistake.

I am 6'5" 235 lbs. and find it is perfectly functional. The only negative for me is, I tend to hit my head on the upper door frame, if I don't put my hand on it, as I step down to get out. The wife is 5'3" 120 lbs. and is very pleased with it, especially when we have the rare hookups and she can take as long of a shower as she would like. Andrew

It sounds like Oliver removed the standard 110 outlets below the twin bets leaving only the kitchen 110 and the attic 110 in the rear of the trailer. We work remotely so a laptop being plugged in for a very large portion of the day is a big deal. A laptop is basically our TV as well. I have a call with my sales agent in an hour and I'll let you know what they tell me.

yes.

I don’t think chastising folks who have just entered the market for a new trailer is helpful, 2020 is their only choice. Putting that aside, if placement of electrical outlets is an essential feature for someone then they might want to look elsewhere. I don’t know what the current options are for additional outlets, but like Steve said, it’s not rocket science to put one in. We had a USB outlet installed in our nightstand and it took About 5 minutes. The smart thing to do is call the Oliver sales team and ask. Mike

Outlets are so easy to install, just do them yourself post delivery. Pick where you want them to be, cut a hole for a box, run the wires from the nearest outlet and Bob’s your uncle. Don’t worry about overloading a circuit, it won’t happen unless you try to run too many things at the same time. Just adding an extra outlet will not affect anything.

I will put any tow vehicle info and pictures here in this new thread as I get my new 2013 Land Cruiser 200 sorted and adjusted. Today I mounted the Tekonsha P3 from my old Ram onto the dash, below the wiper stalk. It is the best spot that I could find. I popped out the switch panel that has four dummy unused switch plates and mounted my P3 bracket through the top two plates, using 8-32 x 1 inch stainless machine screws with 1/2 inch long nylon spacers and nylock nuts on the back. If I decide to remove the controller, all I have to do is buy two new plates and pop them into place. I used a Tekonsha Toyota wiring adapter and ran the cable out from under the dash to the right of the OBD connector. The unit is blocked by the wheel when steering straight ahead but is easily seen if the wheel is turned a few degrees, and it is super easy to reach the buttons and, most importantly, the Emergency Lever. I tow tested the Ollie for about 30 minutes and it is definitely in need of an Anderson hitch, which I ordered today. It tows well on smooth roads but the butt end of the truck pogos badly over large undulations and dips. It never felt out of control, but the steering feels light and it definitely does not feel settled and comfortable. Here is Mouse hooked up the the Cruiser, butt low in my driveway, in front of the RV bay, AKA "The Hanger Deck". Tongue weighs 575 pounds with one gas can full and the other three empty, using my nifty new hydraulic tongue weight scale. The truck settled almost 2.5 inches under the dead weight. More to come, my hitch arrives in three days. John Davies Spokane WA

David, I just noticed that Oliver is showing a terminal disconnect on the photo for their new LFP package. They might be able to tell you what brand and model they're using.

Here's another thought on the solar/lithium question, which is that personally, I think that the new F150 with a built-in generator adds an interesting new kink to the equation. I'm a big proponent of solar, and my goal with our trailer was to be able to go without a generator - and we've been quite successful with that - however, if I were buying a new truck today, like I did when we bought our Oliver, and that truck already came with a nice built in generator, I'd give much more thought towards putting my money somewhere else other than solar and a large battery bank. I mean, let's face it - if you have a generator then you don't need any more solar or battery than Oliver's standard offering. Especially with the quick charge capabilities of LFP batteries (I can charge at 120 amps), I think I could easily keep our batteries charged with 30 minutes of generator time a day, even with half the solar we currently have. Most days, surely less. Divide that into 15 minutes in the morning and 15 at night, and that's really not that much generator noise and fumes to endure. And if you've got a generator sitting there that you don't have to drag out, gas up, etc., that makes the option of using one much more tempting. I think if I were configuring my trailer today, I'd do the standard packages with the cheapest battery offering, and I'd replace the batteries with 200Ah of LFP, maybe 300, and then rip out the electrics and replace it with all the same Victron stuff I've got now.

Yes, the 4.5 cubic foot Norcold. Andrew

Yes Oliver's have the remote switch option as well. I was thinking more generally.

Yes, don't they all.

Jairon, I'm not a sales guy or an Oliver employee, just a long time happy owner attempting to offer you good advice and an easy, logical alternative to your problem. I can tell you that Oliver will not add any personal options during your build. They will, however, add them after the fact in the service department. This will cost extra. I understand that it seems counter productive (from a customer's viewpoint) to do it that way, but it is the business model that Oliver has adopted and they stand firmly behind it. I spoke with one of the sales personnel at the factory this morning. It appears that in the 2020 models all the 120v outlets that were down low at the rear on previous models were removed. Why...??? They were replaced with one 120v outlet on the underside of the attic storage area on one side and a 12v (USB?) "charging station" on the other side. The word on the street is there will be a different arrangement in the 2021 models but, it is as yet undetermined.

Okay then. In that case my answer is: Same place I plug in the hair dryer I don't use.

The inverter outlet being discussed here is the main AC output of the inverter that feeds the remaining trailer outlets through a transfer switch. This switch is activated when it senses that the inverter is outputting AC i.e. powered on. Yes. I also carry a small 350 watt pure sine wave inverter for other deices that don't have a DC cord. It's just not as convenient to use. On my 2018, 12V outlets are: One below aft dinette seat near PDC and LP/CO detector. One each overhead, above the forward end of the bunks. One each on either side of the nightstand beside the AC outlets. There is another one that is integral to the optional omni antenna power supply. Noter that this one is only rated for 7.5-8 amps (In spite of the 20 amp fuse Oliver installed in mine)

Your height is the key, I showed “Mouse” to a couple, the 6’4” guy said no way for the head room. For anyone shorter than that it is not a problem. Keep in mind that you do have to duck for the bathroom, since the floor is raised several inches. Plus the main entry requires a big duck, that is why Oliver added a soft head basher cushion above it. You may whack your head hard exiting the bathroom, but only once; it hurts and you will remember and be careful after that. We don’t use the sink or mirror in there at all, we much prefer using the galley for brushing teeth or putting in contacts. A bigger bathroom would be nice but I wouldn’t eliminate an Ollie simply because of its size. If you are considering the Natures Head be aware that it is quite tall and folks with shorter legs will complain. If they do, just mention that they can always use the campground pit toilet. That usually quiets any grumblings. Compared to a residential toilet the NH is slightly primitive, but it is way better than many other options. John Davies Spokane WA

Where do those with C-Paps plug in?

The size works well for us. Easy clean up. The only change would be separate sink faucet and shower head. I think this was done by someone does any one know the post?

The point I was trying to make is that installing an outlet isn’t difficult and shouldn’t be a deal breaker. Encouraging folks not to buy an Oliver isn’t my thing, I understand the market. I’ll try to be more clear with my “tongue in cheek” comments.

The outlet omissions are most likely a stopgap until the AC layout can be redesigned. As it was, in pre 2020 model years, the outlet devices used could too easily be overloaded, creating a potential fire hazard. The obvious quick-fix was to reduce the number of outlets by 50%. Since the outlet on the inverter is only powered while on battery, seems to me it's not that usable. Do the Freedom XC inverter/charger used in later models even have an outlet or are they hard-wired? For laptops, I always carry an auto charging cord. There are plenty of 12V outlets throughout, unless this has also changed.

I still don't get the insistence on nightstand outlets. Who wants to sleep with their head up against an electrical outlet? The ones beneath the bed are handy enough. Even Apple's stingy power cords can reach there.

Regardless of make and model I don’t think Oliver would install 110V entertainment systems that you couldn’t run while boondocking except through an optional inverter.

Customer: "So where do we plug our laptops in while we're in the bedroom?" Sales guy: "Outlets are so easy to install, just do them yourself post delivery. Pick where you want them to be, cut a hole for a box, run the wires from the nearest outlet and Bob’s your uncle. Don’t worry about overloading a circuit, it won’t happen unless you try to run too many things at the same time. Just adding an extra outlet will not affect anything. " Customer: "uhhh..." 😜I'll give the sales department a call today and try and get to the bottom of this. I'll update the thread when I know more.

Another 2 (at least) coming soon. So at least 15 by rough reckoning. Have to have our own Rally.

Thanks for the heads up, Matt. Disappointed but not surprised. We’re going to keep our reservations and enjoy a quiet weekend hopefully seeing some Oliver friends who also will still go camping that weekend at Lake Guntersville. Mike

Thanks, Matt. I totally understand. It will be a big disappointment for many, but it's the safest course. Thanks for the early notice. Sherry

Just re-reading the LC post and realized that a picture of the REDARC brake controller I wanted to include was not attached. So here goes?.

I'm not a solar expert, but my thinking is battery capacity rules in non grid tied solar installations. At home, we are grid tied. Excess goes back into the grid. We can use and recover in low months, but we sized our system to our needs.duke power pays us back for excess at wholesale rates. I would be better to run an extension cord to my neighbor, than over size my rooftop panels at home.... If your batteries can support excess power, good for you. For us, 250 watts on the trailer is as much or more than we need, and can store. Granted, we have 2 group 27 batteries. You probably have a better plan. We charge laptop and phones in full sun, midday. And, I'm quirky, so I limit online time when we are camping. Actually, at home, too. I get tired of the forums using my data allowance.... Sherry

It is with sadness, regret, and concern for the health of Oliver owners that we announce the 2020 Oliver Rally will be cancelled. We have been tracking the COVID-19 virus status and currently most all states in the Southeast are rated in the Red Zone. We have been monitoring the State of Alabama Department of Health COVID-19 website for periodic updates. Alabama remains High Risk according to the Alabama Department of Public Health. Unfortunately, many Oliver Trailer owners would be required to travel through numerous states that are at a higher risk level in several parts of the US. Our primary concern is for you, our customer, our friends, and all that enjoy camping in the great outdoors. Details on the 2021 Oliver Rally will be announced later in the year. All rally registration fees will be refunded within 3-5 business days. If you have made reservations at Lake Guntersville State Park for the September 2020 Rally, click the link below to indicate if you would like to cancel your reservation or keep them and attend on your own. We will notify the campground on your behalf and they will issue refunds to all canceled reservations. Update Fall Campground Reservations