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Ollie in the Wild still camping at Interlake CG at at different and larger site….the weather has been incredible. Tonight’s low 58d. A little exploring on the Hunter Mountain Sky Lift in the Great North Woods. We had the Skylift just about to ourselves, a perfect time for the higher elevations of the Catskill Mtns.

We have a late-2018 Elite with the (2) Lifeline 6v AGM's... now in year 4 and still holding up well. We will probably switch to lithium when these die. Yes, as mentioned you can change the Zamp solar controller charge profile. However, our 60A Progressive Dynamics PD4060CSV converter (bundled in with the breaker panel under the side dinette) does not support a lithium charging profile. Battleborn (and I'm sure other places) sells a replacement PD4060LICSV converter with a lithium charge profile. The converter swap-out is pretty straight-forward. A year or so ago I saw them on sale for about $187... I haven't looked lately, and almost everything is more expensive now!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11069353/Amazing-spike-maps-change-way-Earth.html John Davies Spokane WA

I have no experience with this specific battery, but I have bought three different Mighty Max AGM 12V motorcycle sized batteries. All died within a year. They would take a charge and show as full, but wouldn't crank a small 150cc scooter, Honda generator, or 50cc scooter. I'll never buy one again. (Which begs the question as to why I bought three. I bought the two scooter ones at the same time in spring when the 6 and 8 year old OEM batteries finally croaked, and then the generator one that fall before the scooter batteries failed. All were maintained on Battery Tender Jr full time.)

It sounds like you don't plan to keep the Oliver more than another 4-5 years. Were it me, I'd go simple - buy the best replacement AGM's - and keep going. The Lifelines are good units. Good Luck. RB

I have some experience with a portion of the Geyser System. I ordered a replacement hose, valve, and two sponges from them. Then I bought a 10 PSI pressure reducer and garden hose to 1/4” hose adaptor. I assembled these bits and use it on my RoadShower, with its 65 PSI water pressure. ( Remember, I’m still in my Hiker squaredrop, not an Oliver yet. ) We used it last week for the first time while doing dishes, and it worked great! One sponge for soap and scrubbing and the other for rinsing. Easier to get the dishes really clean, and used maybe 1/4 of the water that we’d normally use by washing in a sink of water and then spraying off to rinse. We haven’t used it to shower, as we use either a campground shower or 12” x 24” Shower Pouch body wipes. Here was my Instagram/Facebook post for the pieces. https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02gbFvTnmQ52vQxS12nonuVTLNJT7AZgRtaniH1ZGQr6Yujopv4B4PE3xNYn4FRGoNl&id=100064448631768

On August 8th there was discussion concerning, what seemed to be, an unusual number of problems noticed in a new delivery. Several issues were brought up but particularly some missing and poor quality caulking was noted. This really alarmed me since our delivery day of August 11 was approaching. After waiting so long, you just want things to go well. I’m a caregiver for my bride of 53 years who has developed a neurocognitive disorder. She requires my attention, which I am glad to give her. The primary reason for me getting the Ollie is to make it easier on us both in our race against time to revisit our trips out West and into Canada that we did with our kids in the old Coleman pop-up so many years ago. On delivery day, my goal was to test everything at the service center campsite, but with caregiving, I’ve learned patience, to expect the unexpected, and to go with the flow. I just couldn’t go over as much as I had hoped. I had gotten reservations for 3 days after delivery for the weekend about 60 miles west at Chickasaw SP. We have elderly parents and family nearby that we needed visit. My plan was to use some of these 3 days go over everything and to go back to Hohenwald on the way home to East TN to have them correct any issues I might discover. Ryan went over everything with me to my satisfaction on delivery. It’s just a lot to cover. A heavy downpour, as I pulled out, delayed setup and flooded the utilities at a few of the sites for a couple of hours. We had a few off and on light showers and it was very hot! During the orientation and that afternoon, I really inspected the caulking and everything I could. I only noticed two things. 1. the touch light over the sink did not work 2. There was a small gap between the top of awning gasket seal and the bottom of the awning. I could see a little light shining through the opening. A tech replaced the touch light that afternoon and I was told that the small gap was not a problem. I questioned this, and I looked at other Ollies outside and noticed that on most of them I could see small gaps of light showing above their awning gaskets. I plan to run a caulk bead on the top of the seal. Caulking- Where it shows, the caulking job was almost flawless. I know from experience how difficult this is. I saw no missed areas. On the roof, the caulking was adequate but no attention to esthetics was paid there, it wasn’t very neat. What follows will be of no interest or is old news to most owners but to those awaiting delivery who have no experience with a tank monitor, it might be helpful. Since I haven’t owned a trailer with a toilet (having only had a portable marine toilet in our A-frame popup), tank monitoring was new to me. While at the site and even at the SP I couldn’t get the black tank to show anything other than 0%. The grey and fresh tank monitoring seemed to work as I expected. On departure day, I flushed 2 gallons of water into the toilet and got it to read 12%. When I had to make my decision whether or not to go to Hohenwald, I called the service center. I was concerned that I might have a problem with the sender panel circuit board on the black tank. I called the service center and was told that there could be a 13% difference or error in what the monitor read and what was actually in the tank. He told me that they couldn’t see me until the next day. I decided to proceed home. Once home, I tested the black tank monitor by pouring gallon increments of water into the toilet and getting a reading. Here are my results: 2 gallons 6% 4 19% 5 25% 6 31% 7 44% 8 50% 9 56% 10 69% 11 69% yes 69% 12 75% 13 81% 14 81% Bowl emptied but pipe was full, I raised tongue of trailer and The level in pipe dropped and reading was 88%, I raised tongue more and the reading was 94% I’m satisfied that everything is ok and from past thread postings we know that the tanks drain better with some increased tongue height. Apparently, when camping those days there was just not enough going into the black tank for it to read much. I really like the owner manuals! Some are definitely not easy reading but I’m impressed that Oliver printed all the component info and manuals and combined them. Typically, most RVs have numerous odd sized manuals and info. I hope this helps someone. Thanks to all you folks on this forum for your insight and help thus far and I’ll definitely be asking for more. Li'l Ollie is at home in East TN

The 0.2 Ah is the charging rate of the solar controller in float mode, not a state of charge indication. In order to preliminarily test if battery charge is holding, during the day, you need to cover your solar panels with a blanket to darken them so the controller/display is completely off. Then, along with being disconnected from AC shore power, trip the main DC circuit breaker to remove all loads. At the end of your test period, reset the DC breaker in order to read battery voltage on the SeeLevel monitor. They should be 12.9-12.8 volts. Even so, based on age and stress from depth of discharge, they will likely fail a load test.

Ollie in the wild at Interlake CG in Rhinebeck, NY, a nice long level site with FHUP. This area is really in a drought, hopefully the farms will get some rain soon. Overall a nice CG and would recommend it.

This isn't a full HOW TO install them, there are plenty of videos you can watch. Here's one: ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsEjREGiBj0 ... The most important thing is prep, you must get ALL the old junk and wax off or the adhesive won't stick well. I started with isopropyl alcohol, then followed up with 3M Adhesive Cleaner, with an old clean tee shirt. One big problem I had was with the rounded corners, they would not lie flat. This was indoors at 78 degrees F. I used a heat gun on LOW to warm the plastic, then pressed it down hard, and held it for a few seconds while it cooled. I then warmed the entire length and worked it hard against the gelcoat with a plastic tool and my fingers. The 3M VHB adhesive is heat activated and it set up well, and there are no worries of the gutters lifting, there is no need to tape everything down for days, as some people have done. I am not sure why I waited so long to do this mod, it isn't very difficult. However, I ran out of material and was unable to complete the rear window, so I am waiting on another 10 foot section. When I measured, I did not plan on running the gutters so far down the window frames.... I bought a 25 foot roll. Drat. Large windows 3 @ 76" = 19.0 feet Bathroom window 42" = 3.5 feet Fridge upper vent 21"= 1.75 feet Rear hatch 68" = 5.7 feet TOTAL 359" = 30 feet MINIMUM, buy this: ... Esssentials UW05004 Polar White 50' EZE RV Gutter John Davies Spokane WA

Hi Brian, They were 2 months old! Don't know if anyone else had any problems. Both mattresses had issues. I've asked 4 or 5 couples and they indicated they had no problems. Best of luck with your decision.

Uh oh! The pile has already started! Yesterday FedEx delivered a TeakWorks4u shower mat, and tomorrow UPS is delivering a Redarc Tow Pro Elite brake controller. Monday a set of Firestone air bags will arrive. I know delivery isn't until March, but I don't want to be working under the truck in February in 10" of snow!

My sister uses a lot of young living products, as well. She gave me a knee balm roller ,which is amazing, for my trick knee. I, too, try to avoid the steroids, as much as possible.

Ohhhh I bet they are good in the air fryer, I’ll have to try that.😋

@SeaDawg I have a prescription (corticosteroid ointment) for my hives but I don’t like to use that unless they are really bad. I use Young Living essential oils and this Itch Be Gone Spray recipe has been what’s worked the best for me. I make up spray bottles of it and little roll on bottles that I carry in my purse.

I've done something similar, in an air fryer at home. My picky eater daughter loved it. I added a small scoop of vanilla gelato. Whipped cream, and, homemade caramel sauce. I folded the ends in of the tortillas, like a burrito. Sprayed the tortilla with canola or olive spray. Can't remember.

I hope it works for you. I used to buy it under the bandaid label. No longer available. Same ingredients, so maybe benadryl bought them out.. idk. Works great for us for insect bites. For hives, which I get every two or three years, I use a generic spray benadryl, like wal dryl from Walgreens. I sympathize. I have no idea where my hives come from. Very random. When I was a kid, my mom used cuticura soap on my hives, then calamine lotion. That worked, too. More frequent, then. Every summer. Cuticura also makes an ointment, which i haven't tried, but I plan to order it. (Maybe my mom did. I don't remember. ) Moisturizing plus phenol. Everyone has a different body chemistry, so things work differently. But, the benadryl children has worked great for at least 10 of us for bites.

Roguebooks, I have pretty much the same system you have. My Ollie is a year older, but the Lifelines are still going strong (13.8 V under solar float). I have not had any major short or electrical malfunction though. It has been stored outside since we brought her home and the sun has done the maintenance. I agree with Back of Beyond that the simple approach may give you the best option if you find that your Lifelines are done. As you can imagine, I am watching this closely and appreciate your sharing this. Like you, We hope to use our LE1 for at least another 5-6 years. Best of luck,

@SeaDawg Got it today! Adding it to my arsenal! Thank you for the tip.👍🏼

John, This is a great post and it Colville NF caught my eye as well. I have been out there MANY times with the USAF Survival training school. Did my initials Wilderness Survival course out there and then several follow up "Exercises" where we were testing new survival electronics. Other people tested other things but electronics "was my thing" in the AF so I got to test the latest GPS, Radios, e-maps, etc. Talk about sleeping on the ground and things getting "buggy", there are many creepy, crawly, growling things out there in that forest. Brian

I could be tempted by a Monte Cristo #2 from Habana, but other than that, I have essentially given them up. Brian

Very nice map and have experienced this as well. There is a stark difference between EC and WC. I was doing a communications project many years back and we came up with a stat that said, over 1/2 the US population lives within 50 miles of the coast! That means there is a lot of unoccupied land in the center. Thanks for the reference. Brian

Hi All, we are Bob and Francine (aka Frankie). We are retired and happy to be part of the Oliver family. We recently ordered our Oliver LE ll to be picked up next April (2023). After researching for quite a while, we kept coming back to Oliver. We live in Southern California and after contacting Oliver about their RV, we were referred to an owner not far from us who was kind enough to let us come visit and see their Oliver and answered a ton of questions we had. Shortly after, we made the trip to TN to tour the facility and instantly saw the quality and workmanship that is put into Oliver. Our sales representative, Jason, is great! He took his time with us and has kept in touch with us throughout the entire process. We’ve been shopping for a while and appreciated Jason’s excellent customer service. He’s been amazing and has answered all questions and concerns. We also like all the great reviews about their service department. We’ve heard nightmare stories with other RV brands and doesn’t seem to be the case with Oliver. We went on forums for other RV brands and there seems to be more complaining about quality and service than there are compliments. Oliver forum is amazing. Everyone seems so passionate about Oliver and will be so nice to be able to get advice and ask questions, as I know we will have some once we start RV’ing. Look forward to informative conversations with some of you. Happy camping!

Bob, we were first time RV owners too. We made videos of our walk through and used a few of them to bail us out a few times. We’re pretty comfortable with our trailer now, it’s a second home. As I posted somewhere else, I wouldn’t worry about the campsite you get for the rally. Events will be elsewhere (lodge, lake pavilion). Everyone drives up to the lodge and some drive to the pavilion. Most folks walk around the campground, so you’d still be able to meet other owners. Mike

Ron, Great report, we are picking up in March! Seems like forever from now. We are over in Western TN, near Paris. If you are ever passing through and need a driveway to overnight, we have connections and will host you guys. Best to you and your wife and we sincerely hope you get to visit all sites, and more than you ever imagined. Brian & Brandelyne Paris, TN

Steve, We have placed our order for our LE II and I am still on the fence about the omni-directional antenna and the "new" placement on the back of the trailer. Is your antenna on the back and are you generally happy with the performance (now that the polarity has been corrected on the amp)? I have been working in communications all my life and to move an antenna from a perfectly "quiet" area up front to back behind the a/c where motors and fans are running (radio hates motors and fans), and also where the A/C can physically block signals, makes little to no sense. Only thing I can think is that they were trying to cut down on the wire run from the front to the back of the trailer. I would like to have it in the off-chance that we have weather coming in and there is a TV station close enough to provide weather reports to augment our normal suite of communications devices and weather data. Thanks for your input. Brian

Roguebooks, Below is a link to a SOK lithium battery on Amazon. $599 for a 100amp/hour lithium battery is a good deal and it holds more usable power than your two AGMs. If you are willing to charge you battery primarily with solar (as we do), you can get away with not changing out your charge/converter. Also, keep in mind, you will need some sort of shunt-based battery monitor. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjolpKQ_PP5AhVRmWoFHR8DAW4QFnoECBUQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FSOK-Battery-Applications-Temperature-Disconnected%2Fdp%2FB087BP1Z63&usg=AOvVaw2XghGSZ_1jRj7DIMCNb56m Andrew

Needing you to post a picture is not the primary cause of our inability to adequately help you. You never completely filled out you profile nor added a signature with info about your trailer. Us all knowing the year, model etc will make it a lot easier to diagnose. Thousands of little changes have been made over the past decade to these trailers.

What do you mean by “best option”? Those are no name batteries with no real reputation. Have you read their warranty terms? I can pretty much guarantee you won’t get very much usable capacity and even two years of use in a rough riding travel trailer installation. Run, don’t walk. Buy a name brand with solid reputation, a good warranty and a dealer network for future support while traveling. Your intended use (many days off grid) requires this! If your finances are so limited that you cannot maintain your Ollie properly, then IMHO you need to rethink owning it. It will only result in extra expenses and future heartache. John Davies Spokane WA

I've been watching videos from Overland Expo West 2022 that just concluded in Loveland, Colorado. The Expo had on display a lot of interesting gear for off-the-grid camping. One item that caught my interest was the Geyser Shower System. It seems to be a great way to get a hot shower without filling the grey tank or drawing water from the fresh water tank. I was wondering if anyone has experience using it? Apparently it comes in both a 12 volt and a non-electric version. I especially like that it uses a sponge rather than a shower head as a way of conserving water. Playing with sticks did a video review of the non-electric version:

Interesting. Thanks for posting the link.

I removed the links. Owners can look up cgis solar, if they care to. The link was to a Chinese rv equipment manufacturer. Not malicious, as far as I know. But, better safe than sorry.

Thanks again Andrew and Mossey: I tried the generator after turning off the inverter 15 amp breaker and turning off the dehumidifer. The AC and AC compressor started up immediately just like it was on AC shore power!! KenB: Thanks for the suggestion. I have the Truma instant water heater so no 110 switch for the electric heating element. Problem solved. This is a great forum for solving problems.

I am very impressed. In 9 years now, I've washed ours maybe 3 times, had ours washed maybe 4 times and, unless you count CGI's ceramic coating, it's never been waxed. Same here, none have ever been loose.

We use Benadryl gel for itches all the time. It takes a few minutes to start working but it does work! Mike

Ollie in the wild at Promise Land SP near Greentown, Pa. A nice quiet place to overnight with 30 amp only at this site. Perfect for an overnight stay or maybe longer. No AC needed perfect sleeping temps at night! The host kindly gave us a heads up on lots of bear activity. A nice SP and would stay here again passing through.

We finalized our options two days ago and we went with the back up camera. It can also give you rear view vision ability while driving. The more eyes there are on traffic the better. So to answer your question, no we haven't used it yet, but I love back up cameras on vehicles. Our delivery date is November 7. Best regards, John

I can vouch for that. We just went camping though South Dakota, Wyoming and Montana a few months ago. Very empty states!

We have been thru a few chairs over the years but found the most comfortable camp chair made. Thought I would pass it on. . They are made by Strongback, We purchased the Elite Black 2.0 from Amazon. Believe use they are the most comfortable and supportive chairs made. I need to learn how to copy and paste sorry.

Thanks for the lesson in electricity, Captain Obvious.

Note: This information is specifically related to the Xantrex Freedom 2000w or 3000w Inverter/Chargers. Inverter - What is it and how does it work? An inverter produces 120V AC power from a 12V DC power source. The easiest way to think about this is 12v power x 10 = 120v. This is not exactly accurate as it takes slightly more power but this is the easiest way to do a quick conversion. For instance, a laptop might be rated to use 3 amps when plugged into 120VAC but when used through the inverter it would equate to 3a x 10 = 30 amps. The importance of this is because while on shore power your energy is endless. When using the inverter, you are limited to the battery’s capacity. Battery capacity varies from battery to battery. Charger - What is it and how does it work? The charger uses incoming 120VAC power and steps it down to 12VDC power. The charger is setup with a specific charge profile based on the type of batteries and the number of batteries that you have. Each and every battery has a charge profile set by the battery manufacturer. The charger has 3 stages of charging: Bulk Charge, Absorption Charge & Float. In Bulk charge it will supply a set amount of voltage, typically 14.0 - 14.6 volts and a large amount of amperage to replenish your battery charge quickly. The length of this stage depends on the battery type, number of batteries, charge profile and *incoming power. Absorption charge is a timed charge cycle. It keeps the voltage high but lowers the amperage going into the batteries. Once in Float charge mode it drops the voltage right above the batteries resting voltage to top them off & maintain them. Note: When in Bulk Charge rate it is passing the max amount of energy allowed to the batteries. With Lithium batteries this is a large amount of amperage which generates a tremendous amount of heat. During this stage it is normal for the fan to run at a high speed which causes it to produce a lot of noise. *Amps setting based on battery type & number of batteries. Shore Power *Incoming Power The camper is designed for 30 amps however smaller power sources can be connected using adapters. It is important to understand that the camper and the inverter/charger are setup for 30 amps and when using a power source smaller than 30, it may result in poor performance or failure. House: When you are connected to a regular home receptacle, you are connected to a 20a or 15a circuit, unless you had a dedicated 30a receptacle installed. You also have to consider that the circuit most likely is not dedicated to the camper which means other appliances inside your house are running on that same circuit. When connected to a house circuit you may also experience failure at the circuit breaker in your hose. If this occurs, you have overloaded your house circuit meaning you are requesting more power than what it is rated to provide. You would need to locate a dedicated circuit, a circuit that is not being used, or turn off some of the appliances to lighten the load. Generator: When you are connected to a generator the incoming power depends on the size of the generator. We recommend at least a 3000w generator which will provide about 25 amps of power. You can use a smaller generator however you will again be limited to how much power it can provide. Note: When using a generator, because it is not grounded, it is recommended to use a Neutral Ground Plug. Without the plug you would be required to turn off the surge protector, which we DO NOT recommend. WARNING: Using an undersized or long extension cord may result in poor performance and failure. When using an extension cord it is important that you use the appropriate size & length. A 100ft extension cord will have voltage loss resulting in heat buildup at the power inlet which can cause the inlet & cord to melt. We recommend using a 10ga/25ft max extension cord. Flow of Power Solar & Shore power have their own path to the batteries for charging and they work independently of each other. The battery is just the storage device for the energy whether that energy comes from Solar or the Charger via shore connection. See pic below for path of power The red arrows indicate the direction of power with both stopping at the battery bank. NOTE: The Inverter/Charger has two connections to the AC Panel as shown above. One connection comes from the Main power supply to the input side of the inverter. The Input side is what supplies 120vac power to the inverter/charger. Once the inverter/charger has the incoming power it passes it through the output side back to the AC Panel on a split bar to allow AC power to any breaker located on that side of the panel. The inverter/charger also uses this same power to charge the batteries. When not connected to 120vac power and the inverter is turned on it pulls 12vdc power from the battery bank and converts it to 120vac power, sending it down the same output connection in order to supply power to the AC panel on the split bar. Caution: We do not recommend leaving the inverter on. The inverter will pick up the AC load within seconds if something happens to the incoming 120vac power but this will start to pull from your batteries which will cause the batteries to drain without your knowledge. Solar vs Charger Solar collects and charges at 12vdc whereas the Charger uses 120vac incoming power to charge at 12vdc. The difference is in the amount of amps supplied to the battery. The max amp output that the solar panels can provide is 18.8a per hour however this is dependent on the sun, while the charger can put out up to 150a per hour depending on the charge rate setting in the charger. Bottom line is that a shore power connection whether it be at a camp ground, your house or a generator will always charge faster than the solar. Areas highlighted in light blue below are the primary settings to review. Please make sure you locate the appropriate battery column for your camper build. Below are some links to the Service Knowledge Base articles. *These links may require login credentials as some of the articles are posted for Oliver owners only and cannot be viewed without an account. Xantrex Inverter Settings Inverter/Charger - Battery Charge Profiles Xantrex Inverter - Error 20

Question: Is there a risk of providing too much charging current to the batteries if you're hooked up to shore power and it's a sunny day with the solar panels on? Answer: No, the solar charger and inverter/charger can be operated at the same time. Each system will monitor the battery state and provide charge as required. Question: What if I am seeing a high voltage (above 14.8v) reading on the solar and/or seelevel system? Answer: Check to make sure your Lithium batteries are turned on

I wish I was next to Talli and Steve, but I am in F56. On a high note, my grandson, Nick, is coming with me. I will be excited for everyone to meet him..Georgia Southern marching band, 3.7 GPA, plays the drums for Compassion Christian in Statesboro, Ga, Eagle Scout, ..just a good kid.

Adding a bedslide was a game changer for us under our topper. I found it on Marketplace for $600 ($2300 new plus tax) and my husband & I installed it ourselves. Just stand at the back of the truck, squeeze the release and pull the bed slide out like a drawer. We can pretty much reach anything from there. Sure makes a huge difference in loading and unloading things.

We also went with the Leer painted to match our truck with the Thule bars on top. We added Thule Hullavators to lift our 12’ kayaks easily on top. Inside we carry 2 electric bikes, 12’ Clam, a propane fire pit, chairs, a 22” Blackstone Adventurer grill with stand, a 12’ rug, an aluminum table that folds to fit in a bag, a tool box, small air compressor and 2 stackable crates with cords, lights, helmets, battery chargers, etc. The cover also has lights and it locks with the remote when you lock the truck. We have had no issues at all with leaking. We also have a bed slide that pulls out to easily load and unload items.

I am well past the “sleep in a bag” stage of my life. I carry one for a real emergency, but no way will I sleep in one willingly. Too many critters. A RTT at least gets you out of the bugs and snakes, if not out of reach of a griz. John Davies Spokane WA

We went with the ARE high top (TW model). Since we've got Decked brand drawers, we needed the extra height in the cap. We also went with the flip up side windows that are a real plus (though costly). Color match to our truck was just about perfect. Build quality is good but not great. Local installer made some mistakes. One big downside is security. We will likely get the windows blacked out to mitigate lookie-lous. Weight is about 200 lbs. No noticeable impact on mileage. Dry as a bone.

Thought I would share my solution to the bike rack receiver saga. We use the 1-Up for two bikes. I used a Curt bumper receiver with a sheet of rubber to isolate the iron from aluminum, with neoprene washers under stainless nuts on bottom. The hole patterns seemed far enough away from Oliver holes to not weaken the beam too much. I considered adding a 13 inch long aluminum plate on bottom as a giant strengthening washer but decided that might be over engineering (as I have accused of by my wife frequently). The wide receiver plate also adds strengthening across the Oliver holes. Initially I was going to cut off the upright tabs but the paint job on the receiver is too good to destroy.