Leaderboard

The Oliver service department utilizes ASI 335 white & clear silicone, Red Devil butyl sealant, butyl tape, and Dicor self-leveling sealant to re-caulk/reseal the exterior of your camper. This process is based on years of experience here in the Oliver service department addressing and preventing leaks on our trailers. The primary goal when re-caulking/resealing at service intervals, especially roof penetrations, is ensuring there are no leaks. The roof is an area that is not typically seen unless you climb up on top but, again, is the most likely area for a leak to occur. Due to Oliver’s double fiberglass hull construction, any leaking water is trapped between the hulls until the water can find an escape point. Those points are typically a window cutout or one of the weep holes in the lower outer shell. Windows being a primary entry point often leads to an initial diagnosis that the window is leaking which is not necessarily the case. During the yearly maintenance, the exterior is sealed with the appropriate ASI 335 silicone. Once the silicone is cured, bolts and screws located on the roof then have an additional application of self-leveling sealant to provide an additional layer of protection, again, these areas aren’t typically seen to affect the aesthetics of the trailer. The additional layer also helps protect the silicone from sun exposure as well as sealing the head of screws and/or bolts. This precautionary step can be removed from the process if you prefer to have neat caulk seams over the extra protective layer of self-leveling sealant. The primary goal here at Oliver is to provide you the customer with a trailer free of leaks for enjoyable camping adventures.

We arrived in Moab Tuesday afternoon. Yesterday we did a 2 hour guided off road adventure in a Hummer H1. Wow, this is our first time doing anything like this. So cool! These vehicles seem to go straight up and straight down sone very narrow rock faces. Yesterday afternoon we toured Arches national park and were there for sunset. Just amazing. Heads up if you're going to Arches after April 2. The park is implementing a reservation system for entry to the park. This is a good time of year to visit Moab. Not too crowded with temperatures in the mid 50s to mid 60s during the day and 30s at night.

Congratulations! I always say that money is just paper with pictures of dead presidents. I might feel differently when I send in 40k on the first payment. That will be in August.

Well, 40+ years into boat ownership, I can't name that caulk, from a photo. I'd ask Oliver what they used. PIiant isn't necessarily bad. Good caulk needs to flex like the trailer hull. I'll reserve other comments til you find out what they actually used.

The bison have gone through "our" campsite quite a few times. Totally ok. It's truly their ground, not ours. We're the temporary interlopers. Please, please, keep your dogs on short lead, and in your lap or beside you, and be prepared to move him/her/them inside, quickly. Unless alarmed, the bison just keep on moving and grazing. Don't let your/my dog , or you, disrupt their grazing, and cause an issue. Move inside. This is the bison home range. You're the visitor. We don't mind no hookups. Actually, our preference. I think part of our love of Northern badlands is just that absence of everything else. Fewer campers and people. More wildlife visibility. Plus, the absolute amazing geography. Big plus, and that's from someone who doesn't typically love rocks.

Sure - but - just think of all the money you'll collect with your garage sales and downsizing from that large 5th wheel.😁 Bill

one addendum, if you go to the TRNP Southern Unit near Medora, they have the Medora Musical, if you are into that. B~Out

Wanted to provide my experiences with our first trip home from the factory with 2022 Subaru Ascent Limited “Blue Moose” and Oliver Elite I Hull #1030 “Reset.” Your mileage and experience may vary from mine. Note: I’m missing some numbers here (intended to stop at a scale and get weights) so those will either be added to the comments or edited directly into this post at a later date. The Tow Vehicle Blue Moose is a 2022 Model Year Limited trim line in the 8 seat (middle bench seat) version. We went with the Limited for the middle bench seat as we anticipated it being a cargo platform more than a seat. We opted for the factory towing package, which includes pre-wired 4 and 7 pin receivers as well as an under dash pre-wired brake controller plug in. Rated towing capacity is 5,000 lbs on the 2 inch hitch receiver. We opted not to purchase the Subaru hitch and ball, instead opting for an aftermarket hitch and ball. Brake Controller I installed a Redarc Tow Pro Elite V3 unit behind the dash secured with zip ties and automotive adhesive tape to the beam behind the steering wheel. Unfortunately, I did not take photos but I may go back and get those and add to a separate article. The Redarc unit stock cable matches up perfectly with the Subaru brake controller harness provided with the factory tow package – connect color to color. On this trip I ran the controller in proportional mode at setting 3 – will likely move to 5 on the next run. This likely deserves it’s own writeup and I would appreciate collaboration with other on the forum regarding your setup, testing and experience with the Redarc. Towing Setup After reading a large number of different opinions on hitch height, I opted for a 2-inch drop / 4-inch rise hitch and installed it in the 4-inch rise position. This was anticipating a 2-inch sink once Reset was connected. However, it turned out that even with all the items in the back of the ascent that would eventually move to the trailer, the 4-inch rise was way too high and we flipped it to the 2-inch drop side during delivery. Pulling out of the bay we were slightly nose down on the trailer, however once we moved the cold food, the trailer furnishings, and the cooking gear the weight shifted and the tow vehicle and trailer rode almost precisely level. I think that once we put our normal camping load in we may end up needing to move to an effectively “flat” hitch. I am planning to add the new Weigh-Safe Ball with an integrated scale to get more precise measurements of tongue weight. Another future edit. Towing Experience We set up our return trip using the 3 hours / 300 miles guidelines, even though we had towed our prior trailer much longer days in the past. Our goal was to be able to work through the launch and landing process carefully, and then have a shorter drive each day to learn the feel of the trailer. The first day (Hohenwald to Memphis) I limited speed to 65 mph max as that was the max on our previous setup. Stability was rock solid, engine RPM’s drifted in the high 1k to low 3k depending on the hills. We had no issues on the “back-roads” section between Hohenwald and Lexington, handling both the curves and ups and downs of the hills. We were driving in intermittent rain at slightly above freezing temperatures and had no traction or steering problems. The engine spent no significant time above 2500 RPM at the mid 40’s speeds. Once we pulled onto the highway, I brought it up to 65 mph and allowed the Eyesight driven adaptive cruse control to take over. The Ascent has a tendency to gear high in Adaptive cruse, generally adding 300 to 500 RPM onto what a careful human foot can achieve. Engine RPM settled into the 2-3k band with the instant gas milage reading settling around 14 MPG. Based on mileage calculation filling up at the fuel pump, the tank average was 12.92, however there was some significant idling time with warming up the car and also having it running while doing pre-launch activity in the morning. Second day was Memphis to Little Rock. Temperatures were cold and we spent some time during the day with a crosswind. Again, the Elite I was rock steady. At about the midway point I decided to start edging up the speed, first to 70 then to 75. Making measured steady passes of big trucks while towing was a new experience from our prior unit, which due to being light would get very tail happy above 60. Engine RPM drifted higher as I moved up to 75, settling in at 3,500 for the majority of the day and breaking the 4k line on the occasional hill pass. Even at 75 in the light crosswind Reset followed true, not giving any indication of wanting to move side to side. Display MPG dropped to the mid 13 mid, and tank fill calculation was 13.13 for the day. Final day we decided to make the Little Rock to Dallas leg a single run. The day was a repeat of the prior day – most of the day spent between 70 and 75 where permitted and display MPG in the low 13s given the longer stretches above 70. Tank fill MPG was 13.18 for the day. Observations The Ascent + Elite I combination has me impressed. If you need a “daily driver” that is a car frame and want something with a quiet comfortable ride, the Ascent made for an excellent long distance vehicle. It steers like a much smaller vehicle, and offers a solid feel both with and without a towing load. I will update this with better weight, hitch height information, and future impressions as we go forward, but my hope is this this info will help others considering this equipment combination. Safe travels all! 20220224_143014929_iOS.jpg

I'm the same height as you. No biggie on the height. Guess I would start worrying about this if you're taller than 6'5" or if a traveler wears heels!!!😀

I always watch them fill my tanks and make sure they have the bleeder open.

From what I have found out about the Omni factory antenna we decided against it and we went with the King Omni stand along antenna that we used on our Casita. Our camping friends also ordered there new Oliver with the factory antenna and it has proven to not work as well as our King Omni stand alone antenna that we have been using for years, they also purchase the King stand along antenna which much better results then the factory roof mounted antenna. I guess the only thing that some would not like is that you have to set it up which takes about one minute of your time to do, it does come with the tripod mount, magnetic mount, in line power booster which really does help on reception, plus some other things for the antenna. It works for us and we have four others camping friends using the King antenna, all are happy with there purchase. I realize this has nothing to do with the HDTV antenna, two different things, but just thought I would say something about the factory antenna here as some maybe interesting in the info. trainman

Congratulations! June is just around the corner….

Build sheet sent. Wallet lighter. Colors picked and street awning included. Thanks to all for the feedback! Can't wait to get a hull number!

John Davies suggested I apply my experience as an attorney retained by insurance companies to the issues raised by this old thread. As I feel indebted to him for his dozens of incredibly useful posts on this Forum, here are my thoughts. Per the quote above, Oliver asserts it cannot purchase insurance protecting Oliver owners who show their trailers. But, Oliver surely can choose to use its corporate resources to defend and indemnify those owners against personal injury claims arising out of a showing, including retaining counsel to defend any such suit. It would be an uninsured sales overhead expense. I'll bet Oliver has agreed to fully defend and indemnify its senior corporate officers (using company funds) against personal liability when they are acting within the scope of their employment. This is common language in executive employment agreements. Oliver could do the same for owners who agree to show their trailers. But has Oliver done this? Not that I can find. Given the substantial financial benefit Oliver enjoys from the "See an Oliver in Your Area" program, I believe Oliver should offer that defense and indemnity. Also, my quick review of this thread revealed no hold harmless agreement published by Oliver, despite the suggestion in JWalmsley's above-quoted post three years ago. Did I miss it? And, upon review today of the Terms and Conditions on the "See an Oliver In Your Area" page on the OTT website, I could not find such language. If I have missed it, or missed language published by Oliver agreeing to defend and indemnify owners who show their trailers, please let me know by reply to this thread. So, where does that leave Oliver owners participating in the "See an Oliver in Your Area" program? Unprotected. There are lots of interesting legal issues raised when an injury occurs while showing someone your Oliver. Although these may fascinate the lawyers engaged to resolve a personal injury claim, no legal doctrine offers any real protection to the trailer owner. This is because attorneys' fees are often the biggest expense associated with resolving the dispute, and in this country, even if you win, you get to pay your lawyer--which means a huge financial loss for you, period. That is why contract language usually refers to both "defend" and "indemnify." "Defend" means pay a lawyer to defend the claim. "Indemnify" means pay any judgment rendered against you arising from the dispute. So, regardless of: (1) whether you are deemed to be affiliated with Oliver in some way, or (2) where or under what circumstances you show your Oliver,or (3) whether you require the prospective buyer to sign a heavy-handed liability release before setting foot in your trailer, there is presently only one "safe harbor" for anyone showing an Oliver to a prospective buyer: umbrella insurance coverage. Why? Because it pays for your defense, as well as providing indemnity. As noted in March, 2019 by Geronimo John, umbrella coverage is relatively inexpensive because it is secondary to your primary insurance policies. Such a policy is designed to transcend, and provide coverage beyond, any limitations of your homeowners' insurance or your auto/RV insurance. So, should you show your Oliver to potential buyers, even though Oliver has not agreed to defend and indemnify you against claims arising from the showing? I cannot recommend it. Maybe if enough owners decline to participate, Oliver will decide to "do the right thing" and provide defense and indemnification. Until then: do you feel lucky?

We had a bunch of buffalo stroll through our site a few times while we were there. We went inside because they were literally rubbing up against the trailer. Quite a sight/site. Mike

For all you Star Trek Original Series fans out there.... If you are ever near Ticonderoga NY take the Star Trek Original Set Tour. https://www.startrektour.com/ I thought it was going to be a cheap tourist trap kind of thing. I could not have been more wrong. It's about as perfect a re-creation of the original set that could be made. Very enjoyable.

almost exclusively use iOverlander, but then again my camping style is freeform, with few reservations and on the hunt for last minute serindip away from the crowds.

SeaDawg is correct, The Teddy Roosevelt NP (North Unit) of the North Dakota badlands are beautiful. The South Unit (near Medora) is also nice but a lot more developed. there may be other private CG's around Medora. These are NP's so they are boondocking (with some shade). Sites in the North Unit's Juniper Campground are on a first come, first served basis, except for the group campsite which is by reservation only. Juniper only occasionally fills to capacity on weekends in summer. Sites are primitive (no RV hookups). Watch out for the Buffalo... do not be surprised if you wake up with one rubbing on your trailer. B-Out

I checked my truck today and there was a sizeable piece of insulation that had come loose and was rubbing up against the driveshaft. I read that the Fix from Ford is that they drill holes and re-rivet the insulation. I wasn't inclined to have holes drilled so I simply cut the insulation in a straight line right behind a section that was still well secured with rivets. When it's not 16 degrees out, I'll get underneath my truck again and secure the cut edge to the bottom of the bed. Doubt I will bring it back to my dealer for this unless more of the insulation works its way loose. New trucks are no longer being made with this insulation. There is now something installed under the carpeting.

Alberta and Randy - Both SeaDawg and JD are correct. Your tank should look something like the picture below when it is done. Note that there is no issue with using your tank as it is presently configured with the exception that you can not use ALL of the contents of that tank.

Nicely written report. Thank you. I will say I also cringed when you talked about speeds from 70-75 MPH. Having a trailer in tow adds so many variables to the equation that I want a little extra safety buffer if something goes wrong. RVing is supposed to be relaxing and fun. I'd rather take my time and arrive less stressed.

I can tell you that since I made my 50% payment, nothing can wipe the smile off my face!

Thank you John -- this is am important thread for me.

There is a very cool Harvest Host site in Tallahassee just of I 10. It is a collectable car museum. They have much more than cars. We did this and would do it again. A bit loud at night due to I 10 and busy intersection. Nachez Trace is cool and you can find camping off of the Trace if sites are closed. We did a section in December and you could still park and get out to see the sites. If you do it from end to end consider a stop in New Orleans on the way to Florida. The WW II museum is amazing and is a must see there is a city campground in the French quarter. Noisy but close to everything. We did a swamp tour and has a blast on that.

I read through this thread on Airforums this morning about the dangers of overfilling of propane tanks. I usually get mine filled locally at a propane supply place, it’s all they do. Something to be aware of, the fire danger is real! Does anyone have experience with this? Here is a quote from one of the posts: “This is correct, DO NOT use any propane until you open the 80% bleeder screw on the valve of the tank and vent in an open area / safe place until only vapor comes out instead of liquid LP. It is possible to have liquid LP go through the regulator and to the appliance and cause a BIG FIRE!!! I had a tank overfilled once like you, I hooked it up to a BBQ to burn off the extra LP. The flames were over ten feet high! I turned off the LP and the flames continued for ten minutes with just was in the hose!!! DON'T DO IT.............!!!!!!”

I have an old Garmin Nuvi 500 I think that's the model number and it has both regular maps and topo maps in it, also the has a battery backup that will last for around 5-6 hours. It is small and can easily be carried in your pocket, I mainly used back in my motorcycle days and hiking in the woods, I think I paid somewhere around $150 for it I think I will get it out, charge it up, and see how it works, probably needs the maps updated and see what it can do. I guess if you could find one of these models it would be worth the money in good working condition, but I'm sure it would not have all the bells and whistles of todays models. https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/13424 trainman

That's Subaru does a very good job pulling your new Elite I, sounds like you have a good combination between the two. We don't get a lot of info on pulling the Elite I on the forum, so glad you posted this for new owners of the Elite I to see. Sounds like your set for some camping fun. trainman

If a modern tank is functioning correctly it can not be overfilled. Modern tanks have a internal shutoff valve that only allows a specific liquid level. Of course there is always the possibility that it is not functioning correctly.

This is perfect. The info on the hitch setup and the Weigh Safe Ball with integratred scale is particularly helpful. My Ascent is the Premium Trim level but all the other Ascent details are the same as you describe. I am now much more confident in it's use. Thanks! Ron

Nice campground just west of Medora named Buffalo Gap. No hookups. Water available and vault toilets. First come first serve and $20 per night. Oh and the musical was a lot of fun.

I'll bet it sounded like a simple, straightforward swap-out when you started. 😮 Hope it goes smoothly from here on out.

The bracket in that photo doesn't even looked sealed. There's a section where the Dicor didn't even touch the roof, a gap where the bracket bends up by the bolt, and that open hole in the middle. Seems like a lot of places where water could get in. Hoping there is additional sealant underneath, around the roof penetrations...

Only Oliver Sevice can tell you for sure, but it looks like the standard Dicor Self Leveling sealant used on RV roofs everywhere. It is quick and easy to apply, so less man hours, and it looks like crap. I personally would be quite pissed if they did that to my trailer. That is for stick and staple Elkhart trailers with rubber roofs. It requires routine inspection and touch up. https://dicorproducts.com/product/epdm-self-leveling-sealant-for-manufacturers/ Trailers with “boat hulls” should get marine sealants. I will probably never return to the factory, but if I did and they were going to seal something up top on “Mouse”, I would tell them what type to use and have them charge me for the extra cost and labor. John Davies Spokane WA

@Alberta and Randy, Oliver will perform the update for you at no charge if you take the trailer to Hohenwald. Open a service ticket, with hull and vin #. They will know if the update has been done, or not, at their facility.

Bumping an old thread, in time for pollen and wildfire smoke season….. Amazon has these for a great price, for the last year they have been unavailable or way expensive. This Medium unit (with one filter element) is appropriate for either Ollie, the Large one (with two elements) is better for a large home bedroom. I have both. Honeywell HPA104 HEPA Air Purifier, Medium Room (155 sq. ft), White $123 Filters, plenty good and less cost than the Honeywell ones: Altec Filters HEPA Premium Quality Replacement Filters Compatible with HPA200 Filter R Air Purifier, 2 Pack Fits HPA090, HPA100, HPA200, HPA300 HW HRF-R2 (HRF-R2 2 Pack) $22 Fette Filter Pack of 2 Carbon Pre-Filter Rolls | Compatible with Honeywell HRF-AP1, Filter A – Makes Up To 8 Air Filters Each Roll $20 These carbon filters can last a loooong time, instead of tossing them when they are dirty, vacuum and reinstall. The main filter HEPA element needs changing annually IF you run the unit all the time See also https://olivertraveltrailers.com/forums/topic/5790-how-to-window-dust-pollen-smoke-filter/ . The Honeywell filter and the window filters worked great last summer when we were trapped for a couple of days in southern BC, the smoke was so bad that ash settled on everything. The inside of the trailer stayed clean. Breathe well. John Davies Spokane WA

Just saw this note you left. My installer use to install 3m but found it would with some installs begin to orange peel and yellow after a few years. He no longer installs 3m. XPEL has a 10 yr install and warranty on fading or peeling or orange peeling if professionally installed. Just thought I would mention this if your still considering p/p. So far our 10 mil XPEL on the Oliver has held up excellent.

The recall is for a driveshaft issue, not the axle, and apparently it’s only an issue on gas engine F-250s with the aluminum driveshaft.

If you’re going to be staying at Guadalupe River State Park here are some suggestions for things to do. It’s worth a day to spend in Fredericksburg. It has a nice old downtown (Main Street) with lots of shopping and antique shops and has about a dozen wineries along highway 290. Our favorite is Becker Vineyards just outside of Fredericksburg in Stonewall. There are a bunch of other good ones. Also, the LBJ Ranch in Johnson City is a National Parks Historical Park. I’m not a big LBJ fan but we spent several hours there while camped at Blanco State Park and it was time well spent, interesting and educational. If you keep driving west on 46 from Guadalupe, you’ll run in to Boerne (“Bernie”). Main Street (Hauptstrasse) has a lot of antique shops and other nice shopping. Several good restaurants Peggys, The Creek and Cypress Grille are upscale with good wine lists (my brother owns Cypress Grille and is the chef). Several other more casual places to include a couple of microbreweries. Dodging Duck is casual with live music and make their own beer. It’s just off Main Street across from Cibolo Creek on River Road. I’m not sure there will be many Bluebonnets in bloom yet, but you never know! Mike

Congradulations DunnYet from the mountains of East Tennessee! I am thrilled to see your post, in fact, it's caused me to make my first. We are new to the Forum and live in Greeneville TN. Our Elite I will, hopefully, arrive 11 August having ordered it in Sept. I also planned to tow with a Subaru Ascent, a 2021. Our hills up here in East TN, SW VA, and Western NC where we camp most, are quite a bit steeper than those Tennessee hills you towed your Ollie over, but I feel so much better reading about your experience. To be honest most posts are from Elite II owners as they appear to be in the majority. You are the first, I have found towing an Elite I with an Ascent. The only Forum comments I have been able to find seemed to be second hand info from no one who actually used the Ascent but, referenced someone towing a boat trailer, I think. I have to admit, they were negative on the Ascent. I was worried I might have to give up the Subie, I just bought in September, having reluctantly passed down an Outback to my daughter. We have towed an Aliner A-frame pop up with the Outback for 4 years and I just didn't want a large tow vehicle if possible. My calculations and what I could find online all looked like the Elite I was well within the Ascents capabilities and properly loaded that it would safely tow the Elite I and with descent gas mileage. Still, I was preparing myself for possible disappointment. Thank you again for the post and I look forward to more! Ron

Some of the major FL. back roads two lanes are 301, 441 us19 I’m sure there are more. Be speed minded when on these routes small towns pop up quickly and the speed limit will drop to 65-35-25 mph. The boys in blue will be waiting to take your money.💰😩

https://travelnevada.com/cities/jarbidge/ It's officially Pacific Time, like all of Nevada, but the town uses Mountain Time because the only way in year round is through Idaho, the pass south to Elko is plowed for their July 4 celebrations, and gets snowed in again in October... 😉 The route from Boise to Jarbidge is about 70 miles of smooth gravel ranch roads, with random water ditches across it, to keep you on your toes. What fun. The route there from the east is all paved, with several campgrounds. You should check it out: "For many anglers, catching a wily bull trout is the final leg of the IGFA’s “Trout Royal Slam”, and if you find yourself in the spectacular Jarbidge Wilderness during summer and fall, you may just hook into one of these olive-green beauties in one of the best fishing spots in the Silver State." https://travelnevada.com/fishing/jarbidge-river-trail/ John Davies Spokane WA

I am planning to head for the “less travelled” regions in late Spring, south Idaho and north Nevada, from May 24 to June 4. I was just looking at Great Basin National Park, to see if I could grab a site. It says to check back after April 29 for availability. I guess that means there won’t be a terrific scramble for those sites. John Davies Spokane WA

If you get there, don't ignore the northern Badlands. Many do. Teddy Roosevelt park is amazing. I actually like the northern badlands more than Southern.

It's crazy how crowded campgrounds are now. We were fortunate to get all of our destinations reserved for this summer. Mostly dry camping in state parks, but 2 weeks in a campground on the Cape.

Bill, please forgive me for straying off topic. Here's an old photo of our past 2016 5.7L Tundra Double Cab tailgate down with a 1/2 lift ball mount with 2" ball. We do not use a WDH with our LE2's ready to camp weight under 5,000lbs with empty tanks except for full 6 gallon hot water heater and tongue weight under 500lbs. Most LE2s are well over 5,000lbs ready to camp. I installed an electronic sway control on Ollie to meet my interpretation of Tundra's operators manual requirement for a trailer sway device for trailers over 2,000lbs. The Tundra handled this trailer great! Here's our white on white exterior shot taken one January: Here's our new White Ollie shades:

I'll give you a hint, it's on the side, not the front. And yeah, it's a very subtle, obscure reference. But now I've given it away for sure.

It is really important to get a brand that has a local dealer, these machines are not as simple as regular bikes, they can have electronic and electrical issues just like a car, and many bike shops will not work on them! I do not have an ebike yet, but I am partial to the Yamaha ones, they have a superior warranty and are very high quality. Mid-drive with both speed and cadence sensors will give you the most natural feel. It makes you feel like Superman, with a very transparent assist. Avoid any bike with a hand throttle that can make the bike go by itself, they are illegal in many states on bicycle paths. “Pedal Assist” types only if you want to ride bike trails, and most states limit the power and motor assisted speed (tho you can pedal faster, no worries, like downhill). Look for light overall weight and a removable battery, that makes loading and unloading a lot easier, and the battery should be stored out of the weather and out of sight (theft). I would buy this Cross Connect, it is 49 pounds with fenders and rack; since I live in an arid climate, I would take those off and store them for the next owner, or sell them. I think it is a very sexy design too. https://www.yamahabicycles.com/bikes/crossconnect/ The Haibikes are quite nice and are a great value, but they do not compare to the Yamahas. https://www.haibike.com/ Watch a bunch of ebike review videos, that will teach you a lot. Don’t walk blindly into a store and just take the sales droid’s recommendation. John Davies Spokane WA

I guess we signed the contract with that indemnification clause included in it, as our trailer is only 9 months old I must have agreed to it. Since the clause was probably added for Oliver protection and advised by there lawyers it probably meets the laws of the land. I think this clause was regarding money for the down payment, but maybe not. All being said I have never heard of Oliver forcing you to take your trailer if personal problems arose that would make delivery not going to happen. You probably couldn't deal with a company devoted to doing it right for complete customer satisfaction. trainman