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Greetings. As a retired mechanical engineer who worked a bit with fasteners (although not wheel studs and lug nuts) I thought I’d offer a few points for the group to mull over. Twisting the lug nut onto the wheel stud induces a a clamping force to keep the wheel on the hub. That clamping force is controlled in part by the torque applied to the nut. But that clamping force is also affected by thread geometry, stud diameter, nut contact area and friction on the threads and the nut to wheel contact surface. Think of the difference between torquing rusty, corroded threads versus fresh, lubricated threads. The torque level should be specified as a min/max range about an optimum sweet spot for the design, not just a single value. Too little clamping force a.k.a. torque and the nuts can work loose, fretting and wear can occur, and/or the studs could be subject to metal fatigue - none of which are good as you all can imagine. Too much torque could cause the stud stress to reach or exceed the plastic limit proof load of the fastener. That’s why, Dexter stated a 120 ft-lb limit for the 1/2” high strength grade 8 stud as shown by Mike D. JD described what generally happens when folks inadvertently over torque fasteners. Excessive clamp load or torque might also distort/damage the wheel but I’m not aware of how this could result in catastrophic failure which is what I think was the concern with the 120 ft-lb specification. Moral of the story: 1. Purchase and use a good quality torque wrench. Human “feelings” are not a good, well calibrated substitute. And use the recommended torquing sequence! 2. If the lug nut is torqued to or somewhat beyond the maximum limit and the stud hasn’t twisted off, the wheel isn’t going anywhere. 3. Under torqued lug nuts can be a problem. JD discussed torque wrench calibration and the issues for the high side of torque. But a similar issue exists for an inaccurate torque wrench or “human feel” for the low end of the torque range. 4. The proper torque range is specified in SAE or ISO fastener standards for the hub and wheel configuration. (Sorry, don’t have that info available. And BTW, Oliver, Dexter or the wheel supplier need to provide the torque range for the fastener condition.) If this thread is concerned about the effects of excessive torque on the wheel, maybe we could better detail what we think those concerns are and then reach out to Oliver or the wheel supplier for more specific information.

If you're still looking for a door repair, bring the ollie by this place in Denver: https://calibremarine.com/ Calibre Marine Body Shop and Paint 5505 east 48th ave Denver co 80216 303-404-7440 They do all sorts of fiberglass work, and were recommended by several places when we were looking for someone to buff out our Trillium 1300. I was amazed at how high the quality of workmanship was when we picked up the trailer. You could literally see yourself in the trailer it shined so nicely. When I asked how they pulled it off so nicely, Les the owner matter-of-factly said that he just has one of his guys hand wet-sand the whole thing, no power tools, because it makes for a better finished product. They also do fiberglass repair. If you go there tell him that the guy with the little green trillium sent you, he'd never worked on one before and it was less than a year ago, I expect he'll remember.

Last May Oliver service replaced our awning seal under warranty and they also drilled out our awning brackets so they drain properly and they now do. The new awning seal was installed just low enough that there is no longer an issue with water puddling and water drains off as it should. When washing the roof of our Oliver I did not see any water puddling along the awning seal or brackets as it just drains off the rear of the trailer as designed. When I wash and detail our Ollie I usually have it a little nose high to facilitate water draining off the roof area. The water also drains off when the Ollie is level. I am fine with how the new seal works now. Regular washing keeps the seal and roof area nice and clean.

Hopefully you do understand its not the size of the wet bath so much as how much water you are carrying around and how fast the gray tank fills up. Understand you will NOT be taking Hollywood showers unless you are in campground with full hookups. You will be amazed at how fast you can empty a full fresh water tank and fill up a gray holding tank. 36 gallons does not go far in the boonies. Glorified bird baths is closer to what you will be doing if boon docking or camping without full hookups.

We received manuals with our 2020 on delivery day. They travel with us!

As recent as 2021 they still came with printed manuals. Agree that having it in print is handy, especially when off grid with no cell reception.

In the past (2016), an owners manual was provided in an “Oliver” notebook. Not sure how many pages, but it was about 1.5” thick. It has a good number of pages about the Oliver and then has all the specific component manuals photo copied. We carry it in the under-the-pantry storage and I’ve referred to it often. I have bookmarks and pages folded down for reference. Other add on things that we’ve done have their instructions/manuals inserted into the pockets at the front and back of the notebook. Mike

I was asked to instruct an informal demonstration on repairing any plumbing issues. I will be bringing some pex tubing and tools used to fix a broken tube or fitting. This will be a hands-on session and anyone who wants to try their hand at it will be welcome to do so. I also plan to demo the proper way to remove and lubricate the cable that controls the black tank sliding gate valve.

Hah! It looks like at least 3 engineers and an A&P Tech are flogging this issue. Perhaps that’s because we are ana…uh I mean diligent. Seriously, I think we are all in agreement on the issues. I agree with John Davies suggestion about Technical Bulletin, and I plan to write up a Service Ticket. For those that didn’t know, there is a similar and equally informative topic John Davies started in 2017. http://olivertraveltrailers.com/topic/wheels-model-warranty-care/http://olivertraveltrailers.com/topic/wheels-model-warranty-care/ In that post Vector described a near catastrophic crash due to the loss of both wheels on one side while traveling at interstate speeds. I’m not sure if a root cause was ever found, but that original post alerted me to be very diligent about checking my torque values, tire pressures, tire & wheel bearing temps. Thanks JD. There a few key things I think this proposed Tech Bulletin could cover: - Correct lug nut torque values and tire pressures - Proper use and calibration of a torque wrench, including it’s limitations as an imperfect tool for measuring wheel nut clamping force. - Wheel studs & nuts should be dry and clean, free of lubricants or contaminants. Even if an owner has an accurate torque wrench, and knows how to use it, tightening lubricated nuts to 120 ft-lbs can approach or exceed the tensile strength of the studs, possibly causing a fracture. - Recommend that owners personally check & adjust lug nut torque after work done by tire shops who use impact wrenches secure wheel nuts. This could be a valuable tech talk at the Rally. Comments appreciated, I’ll be creating a ticket to make these suggestions.

When I trained as an A&P tech, the instructor in the How To Use Tools class demonstrated the need to always use a torque wrench. He had a big plate with a bunch of different sized bolts threaded into it. There was a chart with the recommended torque value. He had each of us tighten them by hand with a breaker bar to what we "thought" was the right amount, followed up by a torque wrench. 75% of the guys failed miserably, a couple were pretty close. NONE out of the 20 guys got them all exactly right. All torque wrenches "should" be calibrated, especially after a hard drop onto concrete. Hardly any are. When we torqued a truly critical fastener like a wing attach bolt, we checked the wrench for accuracy directly before using it. And then a second tech would check your work. If you got caught repeatedly hand tightening, you got fired.... Where I am getting is, if there is a good amount of safety margin, no worries, you can get away with sloppy techniques. If the Oliver recommended value is also the published Dexter maximum for the stud, you are asking for a failure and a possible fatality accident. if one stud snaps, it also over-stresses all the others. imagine your 75 pound wheel and tire bouncing across the median at 60 mph into oncoming traffic, while your brake drum throws sparks on the road surface then shatters. https://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/2020/06/10/woman-airlifted-to-umass-memorial-in-worcester-after-tire-struck-suv-she-was-driving/ https://www.wikihow.com/Calibrate-a-Torque-Wrench John Davies Spokane WA

We traveled last summer and stayed at 22 Campgrounds through 16 states and never carried or even missed having a tote tank. Honestly never really needed it. I guess we are spoiled by full hook ups and CG with dump stations.

We don’t have one but I’ve thought about it since we more often than not do not have full hook ups. Since the black tank is 18 gallons it seems that this size would be just right to empty into when the level gets to around 70 or 80 percent, and at 15 gallons should not be too difficult to handle. Mike

Put it in the cab of your vehicle, may get a good whiff of it every once in a wile, but just roll down the windows and all should be all right. We carry ours in the pickup bed on the truck, but a rear carrier on the trailer would also be a good place to carry it. It's one of those things that we take sometimes and sometimes we don't, it just depends where we are camping and what facilities they offer. trainman

We had the same intent for use of our Ollie as Dave and Kimberly. We used our Ollie in most every possible way. We boondocked. We stayed at full service high end parks, State Parks, COEs, National Parks, Harvest Host and Cracker Barrel. We looked at Airstream 28,27,26,25 and 23 all international trim. I admit I liked the floor plans and the interior. The quality control issues were evident each of the 3 separate times we visited the dealer (5 hours away from us). Those quality issues the roughly 30% additional cost and the fear that I would dent the Airstream led us to Olliver. We were brand new to camping other than some tent camping 35 years ago. For Nancy, our dog, and me the Ollie turned out to be a great choice. Our plan was to do some extended trips South and West during the cold Maine winters. We did that and camped in temps from 5 to 95 degrees. We camped in urban locations like the middle of New Orleans a 5 minute walk to the French Quarter. Our concerns with the Ollie were; the wet bath, inside storage, and refrigerator space. The wet bath turned out to be a non issue. We like it fine. Clothing storage also turned out to be a non issue and we has to pack for both winter and summer clothes on the same 4 month trip. The fridge space was tight at times but worked great and is bigger than it seems. The ease of towing was huge. We had a plan to do 2 long trips over a couple of winters and then sell the Ollie and do some foreign travel and spend time with our new grandson. We did 2 longer winter trips and 2 short summer trips. The Ollie was perfect for us. We just sold our Ollie when we returned a month ago. Great choice for traveling, camping and boondocking!!!! We had also toured the factory and seen 2 before we purchased. Good luck with your decisions.

Yep - printed materials also came with my 2016 and I've added much more to it over the years. I've also downloaded the online manuals to both my laptop and to a memory stick - just in case. Bill

This is not the first time our foot prints have been on their door step. Recall the 80 PSI tire pressure? I think sending them the Michelin recommended Tire Pressure Guide for our trailers did the trick. This time they now have their MFG recommendation that runs counter to their Owner's Rep I sent it to Jason moments after I posted it here. I also asked him to bump it up to Engineering and QC. GJ

I've gone online, and downloaded service manuals, when I can. We have a big binder from 2008.

That will be helpful to many people. Thanks for doing that.

My old saying is "all trailers live huge on the outside, which is where we live." We're over a week into season 15 with our 2008 Ollie. It has everything we need, and nothing more. I know your choice is a very big decision. We looked at absolutely everything before we bought our 2008 elite shorty. Sometimes, I wish we had the bigger bed of the elite II, or its twins, but we still are quite fine and happy, and sleep very well. Actually, I sleep better in the smaller camper bed than the king at home. Must be the fresh air, and the quiet. I'm always ready for the next day's adventures, though maybe not before 9. 😆 Good luck with your decision. The factory tour will tell you a lot.

The only time we wish we had more room is when we camp during periods of lengthy bad weather and can’t spend time outside. We spend a lot of time outside. If the weather is cold we set up the Clam and fire pit and have a nice outdoor living area. Otherwise, we’re out under the awning enjoying the weather. Mike

Steve, We look forward to this! The more we learn the better it gets! -David

GSDK9Dad... I hear you on some of those concerns. I was looking at many different models... in the campgrounds passed thru. I was always looking at the pros/cons of each model... even toy haulers. I KNEW we required a quality unit and I was looking at AS because they are built near my home and many of my friends spent their careers with them. The wet shower is a concern for me (I'm a shower taker). Many went into Olivers with at least some concern on shower size. Most have since decided it now is non-issue. We are travelers... not so much campers. We want mobile comfort but don't need a rolling house. One of the attractions (for me) of Oliver is it's reputation for towing. Virtually no one with experience will dispute that point. I had to reign myself in when looking at RV's. What did I really need to be comfortable in while traveling? There are bigger units... and personally I fell in love with some of the AS floor plans. The very first time I saw a trailer with two twin beds in it was a vintage AS... probably around 1955 model. I never forgot that. The LEII allows me to chill, read a book in bed... watch a bit of tv... go to bed, wake up and have a cup of coffee at at the table while my wife sleeps in later. I can go to bathroom, shower and step out to greet the world when I'm good and ready. It's enough. Cooking for most part is a combination of stove top, microwave and grill outside. I quote someone else that said "Ollie is everything I need and nothing more". Ultimately cost has to be calculated. What is a reasonable long term resale value?? Because $90K and fuel costs will buy a lot of hotel rooms! So then when we toured the factory at Hohenwald and decided to spend this kind of money... I had to give AS one more look while Oliver was fresh in my mind. I still liked the floor plan.... but the quality of an AS was beyond disappointing to me. On many levels... AND it was about $30k MORE... for roughly the same length and one foot wider. This may be a unique point in time... but the re-sale value of Olivers is pretty incredible. Ultimately... the cost of any unit is just the difference between purchase and resale... and whatever maintenance cost in between. That's what you paid to travel around. On after the sale service: I'm in Ohio... so Hohenwald isn't exactly close... but their service has proven to be stellar. I learned the hard way before that the "warrantee and service" that you might think is similar to owning a new Honda... it's NOT that way in the RV world in general. Not even close. I expect to educate myself enough to manage 90% of my own service and maintenance on the Oliver. When I can't... I'm confident the factory will be there for me. In two days we are leaving to pick up our new LEII... and we will be doing a shake down trip and then hanging out with others at the Rally. That was really nice of Oliver to schedule a get together just for us so we could meet everyone! 🙂

"Stolen" is actually six letters...

This is unverified and open for corrections: In order of production model years: Icon (2014-2016), HiSpec (2017-2018), Sendel (and/or) Tredit (2019), Lionshead (and/or) Sumec (2020-2023). Maybe OTT could provide validation and resolve by production VIN.

An update from Jason. Apparently in 2016, OTT was instructed by the rim mfg to increase the torque from 90 to 120 ft-lbs. He is going to check back with the MFG on this. More to follow....... GJ

This is not the first time our foot prints have been on their door step. Recall the 80 PSI tire pressure? I think sending them the Michelin recommended Tire Pressure Guide for our trailers did the trick. This time they now have their MFG recommendation that runs counter to their Owner's Rep I sent it to Jason moments after I posted it here. I also asked him to bump it up to Engineering and QC. GJ

I'm a BIG fan of this size tank. When there isn't a dump station I can get it to a toilet and given its size I'm able to lift it to dump the contents into the toilet. Of course one can do the same thing with a larger tote if they are careful about how much "stuff" they put in there. Bill

Don't forget to take a camera with you and use it! These are individualized guided tours. However, do not be hesitant or afraid to ask to see something in more detail, touch it, walk over to get a closer look at it, etc. Certainly get your monies worth. With regards to the wet bath - think about exactly how much time you spend in the bath versus what that square footage of space costs in terms of not only money but in terms of square footage value to you. When I'm camping/boondocking in the Western States I most often shower outside and use a solar shower. This saves on propane (the sun heats the water) and grey water tank space. Let alone giving me all the room I could ever ask for!😃 Bill

Same here with our 2015 Ollie. We keep one operators manual book and a manual bag keeping all of the component operators manuals in Ollie. I like to expand or make refinements to the original manual in the way of addition information or photos with descriptions like water valve positions and receipts for work done by Oliver or parts installed.

I don't think I've ever torqued a wheel on any vehicle that I've owned. Yes, I do own a torque wrench, but I've just get the wheel good and tight and then one more bump for good safety. I do use my torque wrench for torqueing nuts that are of smaller size and ones that I could be twisted off with too much pressure. I feel I have the mechanical knowledge and know when something is tight, it's that feeling you have when all is right, I know many don't have it, so you best use a torque wrench. trainman

Here's the wheel on late model Ollies: https://www.lionsheadtireandwheel.com/Jaguar-Aluminum-Wheel Been tightening the original aluminum ION wheel lug nuts on our 2015 LE2 to 95FTLBs and double checking initially after a few hundred miles, no issues after many thousand miles on Ollie. Using 50 PSI for tire inflation pressure.

Very interesting thread to read through. When I ordered our EII last October, I asked the sales rep if there were any plans in the pipeline for a larger unit. His response basically was that before COVID they were looking at a 25-27 foot unit, but then all that was put on the back burner when the orders started rolling in and the priority changed to filling the orders. My delivery date set in October 2021 was for the end of May 2022 (7 months). Now our pick up date for Hull #1125 is on June 3, 2022 (counting the hours). The things I'd like to see in an Oliver are more solar charging capability, although I don't think I'm going to be disappointed with the top-end package I've ordered, and an incinerating toilet. The Nature's Head which I ordered is a fine unit but an incinerating toilet seems like such an elegant solution to the age-old problem of what to do with our waste. Turning a single usage into a table spoon size amount of ash seems quite efficient. Current technology will allow you to use either electricity or propane but you have to pick one type, it's not like a fridge that you can switch back and forth. In any case, no one makes an incinerating toilet that is rated for rv use (although people are starting to use them). When someone comes up with a toilet that can run like a 3-way fridge, on AC, DC or gas, I'll be first in line to buy one. For now, I'm looking forward to the soon-to-be new addition to our family just the way it is and can't wait to start using it.

Got a response back from SenDel. It is below. Personally, I'm going to go with 90 ft-lb of torque. Looks like JD was spot on! GJ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: Vanessa Allar <vanessa@recstuff.com> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 9:02 AM To: John P. Russell, Jr. <jprredhorse@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Offline Message from John Russell: I am asking on behalf of several Oliver Tr We recommend between 90-110 ft-lb torque when mounting these wheels, you are right, 120 is a little too high. You gave me a good laugh with that message, thank you. I hope you have an excellent weekend! Vanessa Allar Customer Service Team Member www.RecStuff.com (321) 872-8473

A big difference between the 5.7L V8 gas engine in the Ram 1500 and the 6.7L I6 Diesel engine in the Ram 2500 is running on the interstate with RPMs below 2,000. Even uphill, when the 5.7 downshifts and RPMs go up to 3,000 or more the Cummins just purrs along at 1,800 or 1,900. Only on steep inclines does the diesel downshift to over 2,000 RPM. Mike

Yes, I did speed tests with both Starlink (see attached screen shot) and Ookla; both similar. The speeds were not blisteringly fast; however, I was in a location where coverage was not even supposed to exist! When I get to Wyoming in a couple of weeks, I will give it a more thorough workout in a robust coverage area and report back.

Always thought the Dodge 5.9 powered truck would be a good one to have as a TV. Please forgive me for going Off Topic, We used to install the Cummins 5.9 engine in tie remover/inserter rail machines before I retired. Believe they are now installing the Cummins 6.7 for the same application.

Hi Bill, I know it may sound like my mind is "made up" but, truly it is not. I have gone to several RV parks with an open mind and even looked at a few options I wasn't considering like Grand Design and etc. but, still haven't come to a solid conclusion. I do love the "allure" of the AS and the quality it used to stand for but, I have seen the problems of late and not sure you are truly getting what you pay for anymore. As for use, that is a hard one to answer. Currently, I only tent camp (when I can) and I enjoy both... very dispersed away from everyone and also in campgrounds with amenities. I do enjoy bicycling riding, a little hiking and fishing (not a fishing or hiking nut) but, also enjoy social gatherings as well. So, I see myself doing both types. I also realize I will be getting older and ease of use and comfort will definitely play a factor. I am trying to do a lot of research and buy my "second trailer (and hopefully last) first".

2017 LE II, Hull 244. I could not add water to the fresh water tank using the streetside fresh water connection. Upon removing the small screen at the inlet of the connector, these bits were removed. The line remained occluded. A one way valve within the brass right angle fitting to which the pex water line tubing is connected had malfunctioned. I disconnected the water line at the brass fitting and attempted to free the occlusion with compressed air, unsuccessfully. Fresh water pex line disconnected The brass section that contains the one way valve. I was able to free the occlusion once another piece of the one way valve assembly was extracted. The additional plastic piece that, once removed, allowed water to flow. Obviously the check valve doesn’t function now but I can use the streetside fresh water tank connection to fill the tank. It’s important now to keep the outside cap firmly plugged to prevent back flow, particularly when using the boondocking port. Previously that port was the only way to get water to the fresh water tank. Within the confines of the basement I could not get wrenches onto the brass fittings to disassemble it. Equally obvious is the need for a new one way valve within this fitting. Next time I happen by Hohenwald maybe they’ll lend a hand.

Good idea, adding to the fresh water tank via the city water inlet by altering that lower right valve. Didn’t occur to me, Duh! Good to hear that changing that check valve may not be difficult. I just have to get ahold of the right wrenches. Thanks, Bob

If your Xantrex remote switch is located to the right of the pantry, and above the forward facing dinette seat, you can access the back of the remote through the access port inside the pantry. And scraping the contacts by inserting and removing the connector as topgun2 recommended is an old telephone repairman’s trick. If that doesn’t work you can test for continuity through each contact with a multimeter if you can access both ends. That cable is about 25’ long. Mossey

It looks like a combination of age and hard water has taken its toll on that check valve. Neoprene seal is probably in the water tank but was there any sign of the spring? While you're in there, strongly suggest replacing the other one.

Are you sure all the valves under the curbside bed are in the “Normal” positions? (Not winterizing or boondocking positions).

1 - take the four screws that hold the remote panel off and gently remove the panel. There should be a phone style connector in that back of that panel - unplug it and re-plug it in three of four times - and - do the same thing where the other end of the wire goes into the inverter. 2 - Check to make sure that the wires (both ground and positive) going into the inverter are tight. 3 - now re-try the remote switch. If it works you are done. If it doesn't work - do what they said. New remote panels are not all that expensive on Amazon but, hopefully, you don't have to go that route. Bill

All, We are down but not out with our RV travel plans going forward. This weekend, we were on day three of our planed 3 week trip to Southern Utah to enjoy the National Parks. We stopped off on Friday night (day 3) at a nice little NM State Park (Oasis State Park). Our morning was relaxing and we had plans to travel to Fort Sumner to see Billy the Kids grave. Our truck and camper at Oasis State Park. Not to much into our morning drive somewhere between Clovis, NM and Fort Sumner, NM, we were faced with a truck coming into our lane at the last moment. We were not sure if it was a game of chicken for him or someone having a medical emergency. My dash cam caught the approaching truck and driver. In a split second I had to decide to have a head-on or try to avoid. I chose to avoid the head-on option as my years as an EMT is etched into my brain. As a result of the rapid turn to the right and the upcoming curve, the truck/trailer exited the roadway and started to slide. No control at this point! We rolled approximately 3 times and came to rest on the driver's side. The side airbags deployed and my wife and I (and the cat) were unharmed. Sadly, the guy who ran us off the road kept going and almost took out the young family traveling behind us according to the driver.... So glad he missed them! There was a nice young couple with a baby that had been following us for the past 10-20 miles and he was successful in breaking out the back glass for us to exit the vehicle. We also met a couple that had been following the driver of the dodge truck and were filming him as he as driving all over the road. Thankfully, they stayed with us to provide the video and make a statement to the Sheriff Deputy that responded. As stated earlier, both my wife, cat, and I were unharmed as we must have had angels watching over us. The responding EMS and Fire crews from Fort Sumner were exceptional, in that, they really went above and beyond in helping us with getting us storage bins from a local dollar store and driving my wife back to Clovis to get a U-haul truck for us to drive home. One guy drove home to get us a cat carrier for our 17 year old cat who was quite scared at this point! What an awesome individual. We were at the scene about 5 hours as the drive back to Clovis was 40-min each way and we had to pick up all our belongings. It was a long 700+ mile trip back home in a less than comfortable U-Haul truck. We are actively seeking to locate a used Ollie LE II for us to purchase as we LOVED our trailer and we are ready to get back out and enjoy life seeing our wonderful country. Based on our experience, I would highly recommend you get a dash camera as it has really made the investigation and insurance discussions go much smoother. Safe travels to all the Ollie owners out there this season and be on the lookout for this Dodge truck!. Mark and Cyndi

I don't know for certain but I suspect that the only additional information will be handed out at registration. For any first timers out there - consider bringing: 1 - camera - to take pictures of the park, other Olivers and the mods that have been done to them and other people, dogs and critters 2 - note book - to make notes of names, addresses, locations, mod instructions, vendor details and presentation notes. 3 - good walking and/or hiking shoes - there are a number of hiking trails in the park. 4 - bathing suit if you like getting in the water - it will probably still be a bit cool this time of year but there is a nice beach by the lake 5 - bicycle(s) - Except for the Lodge virtually all other venues are within walking distance of the campground. However, if you prefer, there is also plenty of parking space near the beach pavilion and the vendor areas 6 - plan on driving VERY carefully if you are out after dark - the park is FULL of critters 7 - canoe or kayak - there is the beach mentioned above and there is plenty of dock space. AND, certainly there is plenty of water. 8 - any groceries and/or beverages that you think you will need for the stay. There is a camp store with limited stock and there are grocery stores in town (also an Ace Hardware) but it is a fair drive to town from the campground. 9 - golf clubs and/or tennis racquets if that is your thing. 10 - a big heart and smile for the great sunsets best viewed from the Lodge deck or right down by the water 11 - casual clothing is acceptable virtually anywhere in the area but be sure to have a sweater/jacket handy 12 - even if you have one of those fancy "automatic" awnings be sure to reel it in before you leave camp for virtually any reason. A couple of Oliver owners found out this lesson the hard way when a very sudden storm and wind hit the campground. Note that the Lodge sits at the top of a fairly steep hill. Most campers will want to drive up there for any activities scheduled in the Lodge. Be sure to allow yourself plenty of time to get up there , find parking and get into the Lodge. In years past presentations have been held in the ballroom which is located at the back right hand side. Bill

I’ll bet one us is right and we’ll find out next month. Of course both of us could be right as well.🤔 Mossey

It sure would be "slick" if you and ScubaRx were in adjacent sites so that a side by side comparison could be made. Going to make sure that I've got an extra pair of sunglasses for this one!😁 Bill

I special ordered the 10 mil material directly from XPEL, I think it was a 5x10’ roll, to cover specific areas on our Ollie. I supplied the material to our installer who cut and installed it. I honestly can’t remember exactly what the install cost was for the Ollie. At the time as we also had our TV done, so it was combined price. I would have to review my file. Your best bet is to consider getting an estimate from your local XPEL dealer. I can tell you it’s not cheap. XPEL 10 mil is a special order PPF but it really protects the gel coat when installed properly. Find a really experienced well trained installer that does high end cars and you will likely be happy with his work.

Sorry... five letters. The 'n' was added when it was returned by the thief, making it six letters. 🙂

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