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I think Nobody, or Everybody should Always be cautious in using absolutes: Perfect, Always, & Never are my favorites.... just a few of them. However in my case, I never am always correct, never Totally Wrong or Totally Right..., and my words are always perfect. Except this time for sure. 🙂 GJ

WE have 1:00 pm delivery / walk-thru

Pre installation of my 300W bilge heaters, I was stuck camping with electricity at 6 degrees for three days straight. (not by choice) in my 2008 Elite. The water pump line froze and remained so for twelve hours until my small ceramic heater thawed the line to the galley sink. That same year, two members (Mountainborn and Technomadia) camped for a long time in sub freezing temperatures and each had leaks occur in the vicinity of the external shower. I now have an Xxtreme Heater near the water pump and one on the other side, near the external shower / battery area. Yes, they draw power, but at very cold temps I strive to have hookups. During the 6 degree days, water pressure was not restored to the bathroom until the outside temps rose. The toilet was flushed using a bucket which I filled at a cattle water tank, after busting through the ice with a huge rock. Fun times were had by all.

We are Doug and Dawn Frederick from the beautiful Shenandoah Valley of Virginia. We found out today that we are Hull #1021, with a pickup date of February 15th, 2022! We are excited about our future adventures in our 2022 LE 2 dubbed “Chill Pill” . See you out there!!

Another possible solution... A pair of 300 Watt heaters would draw about 50 amps when on (12V), so it's pretty easy to do the math and figure out how long they could run on batteries. I have 400 Amp hours, so I could theoretically run these bilge heaters for 8 hours with nothing else running. However, the cabin needs to be heated (if you use the furnace, that's taking more battery power to run the fan) and other small things need battery power as well. I came to the conclusion that heating the bilge electrically was not feasible with 400 Ah batteries, so I started looking for options to leverage the propane furnace. I chose a "smart" fan that I put under the front dinette seat with a vent (AC Infinity CLOUDLINE T6). I can run that at various speeds and it pulls cabin air through the heat vent in the back and pushes it back out the front. I've used temperature sensors to ensure cabin air is moving around the bilge. I have also found the bilge helps control the very high humidity in the bilge during summer months. In addition to this fan, I have run some extra heat ducts on the street side and pump a little furnace heat into the bilge as well as a few heat strips on the fresh and city water check valves (prone to freezing and cracking). I liked the bilge smart fan so much that I bought a smaller one (TerraBloom ECMF-100) and I use that to push cabin air through my sealed and insulated battery box to keep the battery temps moderated during both summer and winter.

We are just about two weeks ( 11 Jan 22 ) # 985 behind you . Hope all goes well for your delivery . Safe travels……… Cheers !!

Oh boy! I didn't know that might be an option! Thanks for the question & the photos. It looks beautiful!

In almost all situations that I can think of - your black tank valve should be left in the closed position until you decide to drain it. This would include flushing with the flush port. The theory here is that the more water (liquids actually) in the tank provides inertia for any solids thus helping them move along down the pipe inside the Oliver and through the "stinky slinky". The only possible exception to this is after I have filled the black tank a couple of times via the flush port, I will leave the tank valve open and let it flush for a minute of two. I believe that this helps get any "final" little stuff off the walls and bottom of the tank. Bill

I'm interested! Visual learner, here, so pictures are worth 1000 words. 🙂

Hi Kirk, actually I cut 5 holes. Once you've gotten the nerve to do one, it becomes less painful! 🙂 One (6") hole was required for the bilge fan and it's under the front dinette (which is detailed by the post SeaDawg shared above). The battery compartment ventilation took four (4") holes. It's a different topic / problem altogether, but in a nutshell, my solution included a hole under the street side bed for intake and a hole under the dinette seat for exhaust in the cabin, and the battery compartment and smart fan are both "inline", so there is also a hole on each side of the battery compartment itself. I never posted pictures of my solution, but if there's interest let me know and I'll add some pictures and more detail in John's existing post as it's another approach to solving the same problem.

We LOVE our hullavator pros. They are not cheap but I found one new in the box on Marketplace for $225 and paid full retail for the other but had to order from Seattle to Texas as that was the only place that I could find a second one. Our truck is a 4x4 F250 and there is no safe way we would be able to load the 12' kayaks on top of the camper shell. It would take both of us being on ladders and lifting 65# over our heads. With the hullivator the arms pull down to the side of the truck and we load and tie down in less than 5 minutes. Release the arms and the struts take care of 40# of the weight lifting up. We have a pull behind trailer that I used to pull with our jeep and we would take the RV, 2 vehicles and the kayak trailer if we were camping nearby. This is MUCH easier.

Little did I know what little I knew! Since I live in a restricted community (rules rules rules) I will have to order a bed cover for my truck, pronto! I've seen hard canopies (toppers, shells) that looked really nice, blended well with the truck and allowed taller storage space, but I never realized how many different styles and options are out there. As I study, it's hard to say whether I'm narrowing in or just growing overwhelmed by the selection. I'm not wild about the tonneau covers; the one we had years ago (a rolling soft style) was difficult to open and made access a real pain -- meaning that we rarely used the cargo bed. However, it looks to be the cheapest selection. *My truck will be a 2500HD Silverado Crew Cab, standard bed; the cargo bed is about 6'-10" if I'm reading the stats correctly.* So I'm throwing this out to the Oliver Owner's world -- what do you prefer, and why?

My son is a computer game programmer and they recently got into 3D printing. Here is what arrived for Christmas...... It was a total surprise. The $5 bill is for scale. The hull is exactly 6” long, the LE2 hull is 18’, so this makes the model 1:32 scale. There are lots of truck models in this size, my Land Cruiser 200 would be 5.9” long at this scale. ..... https://www.ebay.com/itm/Toyota-Land-Cruiser-4x4-1-32-Scale-200-VX-Wagon-SUV-Diecast-Model-Mini-4wd-Car-/362667098231 And this is what the model looked like before final trim “processing”, I have NO clue how that is done. They were not able to find an actual data file online, they did this completely from scratch using photos. They are willing to share the print file if somebody wants to try this at home. They are thinking about dividing the build into layers, so you could print the tires, frame and hull in different colors and then join them.... but it would not be too difficult to prime and paint the all white version. And no, they do not want to start mass producing these. That would be something for the much rumored, never seen Ollie Store in Hohenwald. Happy Holidays. John Davies Spokane WA EDIT: FILES AND BASIC 3D PRINT INSTRUCTIONS. NO GUARANTEES, THIS IS NOT PLUG AND PLAY EASY. If you cannot download these files directly from this thread, let me know and I will try another method. Thanks to my son Ian! oliver legacy elite 2 trailer davies.stl oliver legacy elite 2 trailer davies.3mf “Provided as is - this shouldn't be too hard of a print, but you'll probably want to have a basic handle on printing. The print specifics below are what I used to print it. They're not required, but might serve as a starting point. Print specifics: Printer: Original Prusa i3 MK3S, 0.4mm nozzle Slicer: PrusaSlicer 2.2 Filament: 1.75mm Prusament PLA (stock profile in PrusaSlicer) Perimeters: 3 Layer Height: 0.1mm Infill: Gyroid, 5% Supports: On Raft: 2 layers (not necessary, just makes it a bit easier to get the tires round) Model print scale: 850% (~200mm x 66mm x 82mm) Total filament (including supports): 143g/48m If you slice it yourself, you'll probably want to put support blockers in the wheel wells - cleaning supports out of there is a pain. This will require some postprocessing - mostly just removing supports from small gaps. If your printer isn't precise enough, or if you're printing with a larger layer height, you may want to do some sanding to get the curves more fluid.” I. D.

I'm King Moon from Knoxville, TN. On 11/11/21 I took delivery of the last trailer produced for the 2021 model year - Hull #948 - Legacy Elite II - Twin Bed Floor Plan Delivery was great and the new camping spots right beside the factory are very convenient. The quality and attention to detail in my unit exceeded my high expectations. I ordered the trailer with the standard tops so that I could install the custom wood tops created by Foy Sperring. I ordered pretty much all of the pieces that he produces - in Black Walnut. I also ordered the Mega size for the dinette top (which is the largest of the 3 sizes he produces). I can't say enough good things about Foy, his communication with me, and his amazing wood creations. I would highly recommend working with Foy if you want to add beautiful wood products/tops to your Oliver. I have attached several pictures. I am looking forward to meeting fellow Oliver owners.

We're new to trailering and picked up our OE2 in early November. We're in a campground in Florida for the winter before heading back to Michigan We have full hookups at our site and my question is his to properly flush the black tank The video shows how to hook up but mentions nothing about what to do with the black tank drain valve Should we leave it closed while flushing or should it be open to drain into the sewer? Prefer not to make a mess by mistake Appreciate advise from the more experienced Thanks

Drilling holes does one other thing, it vents the trapped heat from that rear street side inverter compartment. In summer it gets very toasty in there. So does the battery box. With NCeagle’s design, you could run that bilge fan in the summer if you are OK with the current draw. Simply adding extra heat with extra ducts or bilge heaters in the winter is fine, in the cold weather, but it doesn’t help at all in the summer. My original intent was KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid - and to design the air flow so that it would move naturally, with no fans needed except in extreme outside conditions. Mine works perfectly in summer, I have never tested it below 30 degrees F. In 110 degrees outside temp, with the AC going and the cabin at 75, the batteries are around 80..In cold weather the batteries is typically slightly cooler, within 6 or 8 degrees of the cabin temp, even when turning the heat down far at night. John Davies Spokane WA

That is so very true. I tell my daughter that it is a false economy to not have fresh snow tires, no more than three years old, since the alternative is a multi-car accident, lots of cash expenditure and possibly death. At least a pipe freezing in your Ollie won't kill you, but it sure would interrupt your travel plans..... John Davies Spokane WA

Adding a bedslide was a game changer for us under our topper. I found it on Marketplace for $600 ($2300 new plus tax) and my husband & I installed it ourselves. Just stand at the back of the truck, squeeze the release and pull the bed slide out like a drawer. We can pretty much reach anything from there. Sure makes a huge difference in loading and unloading things.

I might still consider the electric bilge heaters an additional option. The furnace doesn't run continuously for us, even when it's in the 20s, so the bilge heaters should just kick on when you need them, at 40 degrees. Especially if you camp with electricity when it's really cold, it would be a nice alternative. The xtreme is pretty quiet, imo. As I said, we've only used ours once or twice, but they're really well built, above uscg specs, and very well regarded on boating forums. The price tag is kind of painful, but so is plumbing repair.

Oops, I was posting at the same time as Minnesota oli.

There have been a number of other owners who've made modifications to more efficiently heat the space between the hulls. Here's a link to one if Nceagle's discussions: Minnesota Oli documented his extensive mods really well in this thread.

Kirk I will give you another option to consider, the method I used was to add two additional heat runs from the furnace with out cutting holes or adding fans. I believe the furnace also runs a little quieter because the fan is not fighting to push air through only two heat ducts. I tested this modification in subzero weather for 2 1/2 days with full water tank and water pump on. The trailer temperature was more balanced with the bathroom staying cozy warm and the street side wall along the bed was not chilly. The coolest area in the Oliver was the closet. Here is a link to Breaking Subzero Oliver Furnace Mod Paul

Maybe if you get a set like Ina Garten's lockdown shaker and martini glass?

If you have enough of the cocktail prior to the pie then what does it matter?🤩

The forecast for the next couple of weeks (after this week) is for the area to get back nearer to historic averages for this time of year - it has been near record highs for the past 10 days or so. This means that daily highs should be in the upper 40's to low 50's. However, it is best to keep a close eye on the weather as you get near your planned delivery date for the obvious reasons. Good luck! Bill p.s. Coach and Jojo should not have difficulty testing the air conditioner at delivery today.😃

13th for us with 996 hull, have fun...may see you at camp 🙂

Hey, that's what we named our Tundra and Oliver. Stan and Ollie got hitched in Hohenwald and crossed the Big Divide together to travel the wide open West.

Overland Pie!

Thanks Overland! I like the idea of anise; the more the merrier in my opinion. Cherries, chilies and anise?-very unusual. Maybe we can call it Overland Pie?

Yes. Thanks for the photos and the link! I think I may order some

Believe the engineer's title of his video could have been how they strive for perfection. We have owned 3 Toyota pickups, with # 4 on the way later this week. With all the new vehicles we have purchased, Toyota been the most durable, not perfect, but the most dependable, so far. I used to be involved with industrial machine manufacturing, rebuild, and answered warranty claims. Honest evaluation of warranties makes us look closely at our work and take constructive corrective actions for the improvement of our products, sometimes easier said than done. I like how Toyota has a system to show where there is an issue and takes immediate action. We like pickups, have to admit after working on a couple Hyundai vehicles (preventative maintenance) really like how they are built and their warranty, too. Currently looking at their new Santa Cruz pickup for a daily driver for Debbie and vehicle for trips when not camping, will see.

Interesting video. I think his use of the term “perfect” needs to be put into context. He is saying that the ANDON method results in vehicles coming off the line with no known defects, that problems are solved before the vehicle is finished so that problems aren’t passed to the dealer/customer. My two Toyota trucks back that up. I didn’t find any issues with either of them as I drove them off the lot and in the initial stages of ownership. As the miles piled on of course there were things that needed to be adjusted/fixed/etc. Mike

High temp forecast for Hohenwald for tomorrow (Dec. 27, 2021) is 71 degrees! Are we having fun yet?

Perfect vehicles, is that supposed to be humor? It is an admirable goal, but Toyotas, even “Made in Japan” Land Cruisers, have issues. My wife’s new Acura RDX is a PMC Edition, a limited production car, one of 200 produced in the NSX super car plant - hand painted and assembled by the most skilled and experienced Acura techs from all over the world. ANDON at an even higher level….. Stunning, yes, but not perfect. I think that journalists and people in general should be very cautious about using that term, especially for mass- produced vehicles that have in the past had their (relatively small) share of quality, design and build problems. And some not so small, like the unintended acceleration debacle (floor mats jamming the gas pedals and incinerating families) and rotted out frames. Google “Toyota problems recalls” for a sample. What is more important IMHO is customer service when the problems inevitably do occur. Toyota is very good in this area. As is Oliver. John Davies Spokane WA

Have fun tomorrow ! 🙂

this is so funny!!! your cushions are gorgeous!

Like csevel, I have a rolling cover that I had installed at the RAM dealer. It works well for me as it rolls up to the cab where it is secured via staps when not needed. This cover provide me with a waterproof cover so I can keep my tools dry in the back. I made a bike rack out of PVC tubing that I saw on u-tube. When carry my bikes, I roll the cover up and place the bike rack in the back and use straps to hold the bikes in place while in the bike rack. Work very well and I can use a cable and paddle lock if I need the bikes to be secure. John Davis - That go fast camper is nice but very very expensive. I would just carry a tent and set it up on the ground for a lot less cost.

We have a lot of leather furniture at home, but for camping in all types of weather and we truly like to open air feel when camping we find that leather is not as comfortable as material covered furniture. Our animals all live outside in the woods at our home and none have been in our trailer that we know of. trainman

We are big fans of leather upholstery as well. Most of our home furnishings are leather. When fabrics wear and get threadbare they look awful (unless it is your favorite Carhartt coat). Leather wear on furniture just builds character in most cases. I guess it would depend on the style of the chair/couch. Ours are all mission style or pub style. I guess wear would not look as cool on a big puffy lux white couch! We have the "ultra leather" fabric in our Ollie. It has proved to be soft and durable thus far. I don't know how it holds up to dog claws though.

Congratulations -- what a great way to spend Christmas!

The paper towel holder is a Hasko - held up by suction cups. Amazon has a variety to choose from. I like the suction cups…we’ve already relocated this to the pantry door!

We picked up our LE2 last Wednesday, Dec 8, and took 3 days to return home (near San Antonio, Tx). We had a great trip; weather turned out better than forecast. Really impressed with the camper thus far, and it tows great! Here is a picture an Oliver employee took. I intended to post this on delivery day, but I never could get additional photos to attach right side up (what’s the secret?). Frank

Great overnight at David Crockett. Love our new “ get away “ ! will have lots of questions I am sure so thank you in advance !

Foy shipped them to Oliver and Oliver installed them during delivery. We kept the Oliver units….you just never know!

That’s exactly how I want my countertops. Solid surface in the bathroom and around the sink and Foy’s product the rest of the way. Curious if the factory did that for you or you literally tossed the Oliver provided units in the trash and replaced them yourself.

Not one single thing to complain about, Thus far its everything I expected and more. Tows like a dream behind the One-Ton (no anderson hitch just a 2-5/16 Ball.) My tongue weight is 610 Lbs. Fresh Water Tank is Full rest empty. My Hitch provides the actual weight on the spot. I can imagine others have a much higher tongue weight as I am single and pack very light in comparison to most. I do have two 15 gallon water jugs in the front box that I bought filled and strapped there to increase the tongue weight because at 490 Lbs. (This was the exact weight when I pulled it out of the factory and for the first 500 miles before I put any of my stuff inside of it) I was feeling a bit more feedback from the trailer than I appreciate and I figured the additional weight would change its attitude. It did and having the extra water along is a plus until I hit cold country next week then I may change them out for a couple sand bags. Before JD tells me the front box is only rated for 150 Lbs... I know... Its fine and I will beef it up before my next trip. I will post a couple pics when I get better service or home I think this Weigh Safe hitch may be something others find helpful especially if your in a situation where tongue weight is critical due to your tow vehicle. A quick google of "weighsafehitch" and you will be looking at it. I can attest to the fact that it works well and is much faster then finding and weighing on a CAT scale at a truck stop especially if your experimenting with different weights to find your comfort zone. At any rate Props to Oliver for building a quality product in a time when that is not so common anymore and I was very impressed with their staff and how I was treated by them on my pick up day. They are all working hard to push these units out the door but they are doing it with Grace and I appreciate that a lot and they deserve the credit for it. I have attended three Nascar races in a row now (I did not have the Oliver yet for the first two) and will be dry camping in the infield of Kansas City Speedway this weekend, this will be my first time dry camping and I am sure I will exceed the tanks capacity but they do have service running there to pump and fill so I am REALLY not dry camping but I will give it a go and see how long I can get by.... Trouble is that insta hot water heater works very well and it only takes a handful of showers to top off the grey when the water does not get cold. Oh, and the towel hooks somebody was hating on in their blog? they work perfectly, my towels have not fallen off in over a thousand miles and I doubt they ever will but you DO have to know how to hang the towel properly on this style hook..... thanks Grandma for that lesson years ago! Happy Trails Everyone, From Guthrie Oklahoma... For Now...

Congrats and great to hear you seem to be having the same experience we have had with # 927. We too got the 2-5/16 coupler as an option - but with one problem - it pulls so great, I forget it's there 🤪 Keep on enjoying!!

I have the same question for the 2 5/16. Waiting for our trailer build and will definately request that size ball for our 1 Ton. PerryG

Fairmontrvpark: Did Oliver substitute a 2-5/16 bulldog coupler for you, or did you swap out the coupler after you took delivery?