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So after some time trying to sleep with 2--3 kids in the Ollie and not wanting to mess with taking down and setting up the dinette table. I thought there might be an easier, simpler way. First, we tried a solution that worked well once the base was setup but after some time it became clear it was too time consuming and cumbersome for us because we had to stuff it in the back of the Tundra. My search for something different was based mainly on the requirement that it could be stowed easily in the travel trailer. Finally, I decided to try something. I bought two 24x27 sheets of HDPE 3/4 thick and cut them to the width of the space between the mattresses and then routed a channel for them to sit on top of the rails firmly in place. This is how it turned. Please excuse my wood working skills. 20 in x 24in with 1/4 in. channels. Worked perfectly. Very sturdy and stows under the mattress on top of the moisture mat. If you have a router, the materials were less than $100. I used the color dolphin grey. Best, Mike

So got the new U-bolts from ALCAN and put the new leaf springs on only to find out the HD 1/2 in. OEM shackles were too short. They are the HD 1/2 in width but 2 in long measured zerk to zerk. The 2nd leaf rides on the suspension arm. Talked with Lew, figured out the problem and he is sending out new 2 1/4in HD shackles to resolve the problem. Confirmed Key points: 3500 lb axles use 4 bolts on the backside of the hub and 1/2 in. U-bolts. They can have tube diameters of 2 1/2 or 3 in. Make sure to measure. 5200 lb axles use 5 bolts on the backside of the hub and 9/16 in U-bolts. They typically have tube diameters of 3 in. Make sure to measure. If you don't upgrade to the shackles Lew sells, make sure even if you have upgraded HD 1/2 in. shackles to measure the length. If it is 2 in they will not work, must be 2 1/4 in. Make sure to measure. Lew was great to deal with as always. @ScubaRx I did confirm that he does not want his 2/12 in U-bolts back. Hopefully, this adds to the conversation since both of these issues came up for me. Cheers, Mike

I pulled our 2017 LE2 with a 2014 LC for 6 years and always used an Andersen WD hitch because the 2014 LC owners manual specified that any tongue weight over 500 lbs. required one. We bought the LC in 2016 because I wanted to order an Ollie in 2018, it was our 4th Toyota, its load capacity was 8,100 lbs. and it was a SUV. The fact that it needed a WD hitch was not an issue and never was. We now tow with a F-150 and still use the Andersen WD hitch, because it’s required and I don’t think I know any more that the engineers at Toyota or Ford do about the capabilities of their trucks, so I embrace their recommendations. Mossey

This is the most important reason to use the Andersen hitch as designed: liability in the event of an accident. If your tow vehicle owners manual instructs to use a weight distribution hitch when towing more than 5000 lbs., "Just Do It." FWIW, I don't find installing or removing the whale tail to be much trouble, using the trick recommended by Jason Essary: once the hitch ball is attached, raise the front "stabilizer" jack (which also raises the rear of the attached tow vehicle), until you see slack in the chains. Did it a couple of times this past weekend.

OMG! How are you getting from Florida all the way to Sedona, AZ? I almost do not know where to start! 🤣 You're staying at the best park near Sedona. The City of Sedona has created the Red Rock Pass that you need to buy to even drive down any dirt road within 20 miles. The city is not camping friendly, again this park is the best place within 30 minutes of Sedona and not much else up there to camp. I love everything Arizona, but only go to Sedona when out-of-town friends visit. Not being into overpriced art and things spiritual, it's not for me, but my son being religious and spiritual goes there monthly to hike and meditate. It is a special place, but the tourists, the crowds, the cheap stores and nowhere to park keeps me from more than an occasional visit. We can drive to Sedona in one hour traveling up Hwy 89A over Mingus Mountain, the best part of the trip! Cathedral Rock is my favorite Sedona site. It's south of town on Hwy 179. You cannot miss it coming off I-17. However, we always visit from the backside (of Hwy 89A) where there is nobody but us most of the time (see our pics which is the backside view). I love this place, would not drive to Sedona without stopping here again! Suggestions yes, spend more time in Cottonwood and Clarkdale. Book the Verde Canyon Railroad (Verde Canyon Railroad | Train Ride in Clarkdale Arizona (verdecanyonrr.com)) for a train excursion up to Perkinsville AZ, the head waters of the grand Verde River and back (we drive to Perkinsville often from our home). I love the little town of Cornville. Eat lunch there and take in some town views along Oak Creek (very short drive). Don't let the name get you, what a cute town! BTW, the best drive in ALL of Arizona is Hwy 89A heading north out of Sedona towards Flagstaff. This is the Oak Creek Canyon, just amazing. During April everything should be in bloom, and the water will be running strong. The birds are amazing, with thousands of butterflies everywhere if your timing is right! Drive up the mountain to Jerome! What was the largest copper mine in history, booming 100 years ago and a cute cliffside town with great local restaurants and shops (no chains, more bikers than other tourists). If you want to climb Mingus Mountain, on the same road another 600+ higher, you could then drive the beautiful descent down to Prescott Valley! Stop by and see us for an overnight. Fill your tank with mountain fresh water and plug into 30A service. You are certainly welcome. Great drives, hikes, restaurants, real stores and the famous Whiskey Row for drinks and dinner. You can camp anywhere in the Prescott NF and BLM lands. We have Thumb Butte and the Granite Mountain Wilderness. Prescott was founded in the 1860s by the Union Army as the capital of the Arizona Territory (in competition the Confederates founded Tucson). A day trip to Payson is an amazing drive... But you only have a week! If you like, you can pull your Oliver on every road I have mentioned. Have an amazing trip! 😂

I agree with Frank with a very important additional point. The tapered shank is only held inside the aluminum housing by a snap ring set into a shallow groove. I would highly suggest that if the whale tail is not used, a collar and the safety pin be used it hold the assembly together.

Or even easier, once you get the ball under the hitch, back up an additional 1 to 1-1/2". Then slip on the whale tail, pull forward to take out the slack, and drop the hitch onto the ball. Much quicker, and probably less strain on the jack. There are/were nine of us towing with a Toyota 200 Series. I think yours was the only LX, but I'm not positive.

We have MA EZPass and have 2 transponders, one for driving the truck alone and the other for the truck/trailer combination. We switch them on the windshield as needed and keep the unused one in a foil pouch to prevent it from being detected. That's the way EZPass told us to do it.

I believe you when you say it's tricky to setup all the various "booking sites" and having to save a number of various login's and passwords. Here's our coming season - August through December showing our Planned Stops....all but 2 are pre-booked. We started planning this back in December as we needed to book Florida sites that early. Used RV Trip Wizard for planning and a variety of other tools to actually find specific sites based on pictures of the sites. Hope you have a good trip. Craig

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The chains are necessary for the anti-sway function also. The chains connect to the “whale tail” at the bottom of the hitch ball tapered spindle, and any sway or turning of the trailer causes that ball spindle to rotate against the friction material of the hitch, damping the sway. If the chains aren’t connected to the whale tail then the trailer bulldog coupler just freely moves on the ball and there’s no anti-sway function. Here’s a pic from the Andersen website.

@HDRider - No worries, brother! There's a balance we use when planning for a long trip. We nail down details for the big ticket locations (reservations, time spent there, etc.). But.... we also leave enough time in between those "big tickets" to allow us to explore. We've always thought of the travel plan as a "point of departure" should we need to change routes for any reason. So, we use an "overall plan" such that we've got something to deviate from... We take our time when planning, but don't go too far down the rabbit hole -- it's more fun for us to approach planning that way. Be sure to keep us posted on your experiences with pictures... Cheers and definitely have FUN on your long OTT adventure!

Good trips do take a bit of planning. I've worked scheduling a bit in my career and it's hard work, not so much fun. I believe traveling in the east would be more difficult, though I have not yet experienced RVing in the Eastern US. When we plan our 3–4-week trips out west, I will book a campsite for say 3 nights, then plan to boondock 2-3 nights, leaving the campground with batteries charged, freshwater tanks full and waste tanks dumped. We repeat this cadence of planned/unplanned stops though I have also researched viable FS and BLM sites and have all the right maps on my Avenza Maps app. We use Campendium as we travel to fill in the other overnight locations. Not truly spontaneous but feels that way when not knowing exactly where we are staying every night! Another criterion in our travels always, is to stay longer and drive less. When younger I would drive through the night no problem. Eight years ago, I drove from home in Prescott to Austin TX, 1100 miles with truck and cargo trailer, left at 5AM and arrived after 1AM! I was alone and didn't feel like getting a cheap hotel in Van Horn TX or somewhere, been there, done that. Traveled 1000s of miles without enjoying the ride. NOT ANYMORE! We've only been RVing for 5 years now, and my goal is to drive only 100-180 miles a day, 2-3 hours on the road, spending 90% of the trip enjoying the camp more than the road. I will also drive an hour longer not to be on US Interstates. We're now planning our trip to Inks Lake Texas for the October Rally. Staying with friends in Ruidoso NM on the way. It's 8-9 hours there and many would drive it in a day. I'm thinking a boondock in the White Mountains somewhere between Payson and Show Low AZ, driven through there and always wanted to stay. If we find a great camp, we'll stay 2 nights. Next stop somewhere between Pie Town NM, or as far as the Bosque Del Apache Wilderness. No campsites booked and we'll see our friends 3-4 days after we leave. When leaving Ruidoso, it's 8 hours to Inks Lake and we will reserve a campground or RV park, say near Big Spring TX, since most of Texas is private land like points east. This will make two 4-hour days. Home to the Texas Rally in 9 days, then 5 nights there. After the rally, I have another week scheduled time off, though they have not booked me to teach the 4th week. So, we will have 1-2 weeks to return and have no plan. I like to have some plan when leaving and less a plan for the return. Thinking to join Harvest Host to be more spontaneous on the return trip. This is how my scheduling brain works! 🤣 Hope this helps, we hear you! "3,000 miles over 20 days with 12 stops" in the East, is not an easy plan! My initial thought is to reduce the number of your stops (that's a very quick 1.67 days per stop). Regardless, you will have a lot of fun and have great memories later!

HD... I feel your pain. I too loved taking off on my motorcycle and just catching a hotel somewhere along the way... with little or no planning except a "general direction" in mind. That said... I've learned with the Ollie how to be nearly as spontaneous by becoming more and more aware of the Ollie's capabilities... AND I CAN SLEEP IN MY OWN BED EVERY NIGHT. It's also much cheaper than decent hotel rooms at today's prices! It's taken us a couple of years... and now with nearly 270 nights in our Oliver to get used to how to maximize all of it's strengths. As you learn how long your fresh, gray and black tanks last (the way you travel), you start to learn just how "free" you are. If you are just traveling, trying to get somewhere, a Walmart or Cracker Barrel work great because they are nearly everywhere. It's also very nice to have, besides your rolling hotel room... a rolling restaurant with great food and snacks, and a clean bathroom when the moment strikes. Let's not even talk about that quick nap! The Oliver is so self contained and easy to get in and out grocery store parking lots, fast food joints, gas stations, small towns and side streets, etc., that you will come to appreciate the amenities of your Oliver. It's also easy to get in to campsites that many would not be able to. Regarding planning; it takes a certain amount of planning to go see and spend time in those destination "hot spots" that we've always wanted to see. What we have found works best for us is to anchor your trip with reservations in those places that just require it... but allow time in between those hot spot reservations to be spontaneous (that place the locals told you you just can't miss!), time for medical or mechanical emergencies and to just allow time to shop for groceries and do the laundry. Of course I'm saying all of this and assuming that you don't have too many time constraints. If you are still working you can throw out everything I just said! 🙂 If you ever took Stephen Covey's class on "Seven Habits of Highly Effective People"... all of this reminds me of the "lesson" of putting in the big rocks in the jar first (the things that really matter) ... and then sprinkle in the little rocks (smaller things that are fun... but maybe not absolutely necessary). Travel is fun, but I don't like it to be so much like work. I'm done with schedules and self inflicted constraints to be somewhere at a certain time. Time to relax, enjoy, be surprised... and stop in at that store in the mountains that serves awesome huckleberry pie and ice-cream.

When #45 was built, Oliver's main production was the Elite I, with the 5200# axle we have. It's what they had in stock, imo.

I've looked at a number of conversations on the mini, on Reddit and other spots. Sweet. Runs on 12v, with mods to the cord. 50gb limit is fine if you just surf the web, do email, etc. Don't count on several movies a night. Download ahead of time. Nice addition to the starlink stable.

Totally doable. And, you'll see a lot. At the risk of offending everyone from the regions in between, just drive til you get to Arizona, as long a day's drive as you can tolerate. You can easily make it in less than a week, though Texas seems to never end... It's just so huge. 20 years ago, we did an rv trip from Orlando via Houston to Las Vegas, with two teen girls. Sedona was our very favorite stop. Actually, the teen girls were ready to mutiny, after the late May/early June heat of Texas and the Arizona desert. Sedona was a welcome two night reprieve. Went to Sliding Rock. Then, we went to lake Powell, and rented a boat. Got temporarily lost. Made it out fine. 😀 Zion is beautiful. So is Bryce. Don't know if I'd be up for a week at each. We went to the Arches on another trip. Magnificent. Don't try to go on a holiday weekend, as we did. We wound up "camping" at a Walmart a distance away, overnight. Everything was booked. Bear in mind, my husband is the rock/desert guy. I'm more in love with trees/green/water. In Sedona, we stayed at an rv park a few miles from Sliding Rock. Probably Rancho Sedona. It was cool, shaded, and a creek. It was heaven, after days in the hot desert. And, I think you are wise to avoid the summer crush.

LOL. I'm sure we will not "see all that". I know we are risking some snow closures by going early. But it maximizes our time with the grandkids back in FL. Anyway, I'm willing to trade that risk for avoiding the summer crush. I'd be very happy spending a week or so in 4 or five different spots, hiking what we can and just ogling the rest. The parking lot in Zion is enough to make my heart sing. 😍 Our idea at the moment is something like this: Take about a week to get from FL to Sedona Sedona (Dead Horse Ranch SP) ~1week Grand Canyon South Rim ~3days (we've been there once before) Zion ~1 week - maybe half in the park and half with full hook ups in Springdale Some part of Bryce/Grand Escalante ~1week (no idea where) Moab (Dead Horse Point SP??) ~1week Canyonland and Arches Start home via Monument Valley and Gila.... Another week to get back east

Wow, that's a lot. Given we are nearby, it took us 3 April-May trips to see all that! April 2022, we visited Mesa Verde, Canyonlands and Arches. Spent too much time in Moab (more for young people in Jeeps) and should have gone through Telluride and Ouray on the way instead (future trip). Spring 2023 we went to St. George Utah, visited Zion and Bryce Canyon. St George is a great town, and we went back this year and camped Snow Canyon and since the weather was hot headed north to Cedar City and made it to the viewpoint at Cedar Breaks. What a climb from Parowan to the top! It can be extremely windy out here during April-May, so be ready for that. Some evenings it's hard to light the grill or fire ring. Also, some roads and locations are still closed for the season. For example, the North Rim of the Grand Canyon and even the road to it opens May 15th. Most of the Utah parks are open in April, but you cannot do The Narrows of Zion (water flow to high) and hiking at Bryce would be on snow-packed trails. Zion is low elevation and April is good there. But at the north end of Zion, the road to Kolob Canyons will be closed for snow. Hope this helps. You trip looks like the trip of a lifetime! 😂

LOL. Neither do I. That's why I started this thread. Actually, Sedona is just going to be our first big stop on a 2-month trip centering around Utah's big 5. We will probably only go into the actual city of Sedona for a change of pace or bad weather. Most of our time will be spent hiking through the beautiful surrounding landscapes. And the suggestions you made will now be added to that list. TYVM

We have had the same issue on several of our cabinet doors as well. Ditto the advice above about using Blue Loctite (#243) or equivalent on the threads. I also noticed that the machine screws holding the doors to the hinges only engage with a few turns of the threads. I don't know if this is the same on all model years or not. I changed out the machine screws to a slightly longer one that engages more threads (and thus the Loctite thread locker *should* perform better). The jury is still out on this as I've only recently made this change. OEM screw size: M3-0.50 x 6mm long, stainless steel, Phillips truss head Replacement screw size: M3-0.50 x 8mm long, 18-8 stainless steel, Phillips truss head, with an oversized M3 18-8 stainless steel washer under the head. I ordered mine from McMaster-Carr, but you can likely find smaller or per-unit quantities from another supplier. M3-0.50 x 8mm Phillips truss head Screws: https://www.mcmaster.com/92467A119 Oversize M3 washers (9mm OD): https://www.mcmaster.com/91116A120

Not to make the list more complicated or confusing, but would it be of value to anyone by indicating OEM "original" axle capacity and "upgraded" axle capacity for those that have gone from D35s to D52s? Just a thought...

When preparing our 2022 Elite II for a weekend outing, I found error code [20] displayed on the inverter remote panel. When an inverter reboot produced no change, I consulted the section of the Oliver Owner's Manual Optional features book which addresses our Xantrex Freedom XC Pro 3000 watt inverter. To my dismay, Error Code 20 does not appear in the table of error codes. Codes 1-19, and then 21 are listed, along with their respective meanings, but not Code 20! Since I was at home with good internet access, I checked the Oliver Knowledge Base. Sure enough, Xantrex Error Code 20 is covered in detail there. Included are instructions for resetting the inverter to clear Error Code 20. I followed those instructions. They worked. I hope this post helps someone else who encounters Error Code 20.

The value of 55.0" is a typo, correct? Mossey

2010 LE2 #45 has 5200lb axles with SC 50.5

I have the NC EZ Pass transponder and my license plate of the truck and trailer is listed with the NC toll people. In our travel through varying states they usually just count the axles. Be aware though the cost is state dependant and in states like NC the cost of 4 axles is not 2x the cost of the truck alone. It is 4x. I try to avoid NC toll roads which is not too much of a problem. It is best to look up the toll roads by state and see what classification they have for number of axles (and sometimes height, WV comes to mind) and how it impacts the rate you will pay. WV was fairly inexpensive as tolls go.

If you’re keeping track. My 2017 hull 208 has a 50.50 in. 3500 lb. axle.

I’m sure you’ve heard that necessity is the mother of invention. Nice solution to your challenge. Mossey

I think that's a wise decision. It should allow you more time to explore the designated area. Save the Canadian prep for the Canada foray, another time. Plenty to see on the south side of lake Ontario, and western New York. We try to avoid i90 in NY State (The 90) . The tolls are ridiculous, pulling a trailer, since you have 4 axles. The 90 isn't that scenic, and it can be quite bumpy at times. From my brother-in-law's home near Rochester, to my sister-in law near Buffalo, would run over $11, for about 75 miles travel. We take us20 instead. Plenty of other routes, more scenic, and slower.

A sympathetic ear is sometimes all that is needed. So, thanks. I am still learning. I know many of you have cracked the code. You helped by describing your approach. I will make it my own

We've stayed 2 times at Deadhorse Ranch for a week in the fall. It's one of our favorite places to go as there are so many things to do and see within a short drive. The town of Cottonwood has a historic old-town with many tasting rooms and food offerings. Some ideas in < 15 min drive include: Tuzigoot Natl Monument Historic Jerome (Mining town) Verde Canyon Railroad Tour Old Town Cottonwood Wineries & Tasting Rooms including the local wine university. Day trip to Sedona is about an 45min. easy drive. You can see some of our photo's of the campground and area here: Site 8 - Deadhorse Ranch SP Tuzigoot Nat'l Monument Jerome State Historical Museum Verde Canyon RR Tour in Clarkdale about 15 min from campground

There are several folks and some threads on here about adding additional fans for the Norcold to help with cooling. That mod is not very expensive (under $100) and has helped considerably for the cooling problems. I have purchased some fans and will e installing them before we head out soon for some trips.

With our Xantrex Freedom XC Pro 3000 watt inverter, the button on the main unit (under the street side bed) must be in the "off" position (out, not pushed in) for the remote panel (next to the pantry at about eye level) to function. To turn on the inverter from the remote push the spring-loaded silver button in. Silver button out on the remote, like the main unit, is the "off" position. If the silver button on the main unit is pushed it, you can only operate the inverter from the main unit, which is a pain because it is under the street side bed.

Sorry for the late reply, but we were traveling in our Elite II this past weekend! I did the firmware update. I have had no [20] inverter error codes since then, but the battery State of Charge also has not dropped below 50% during that time either. I recommend you do the firmware update. Available here: https://xantrex.com/library/firmware-updating/

@Kathy Tewart The Isotherm Cruise 130 has functioned well. As reported by several Oliver owners, the freezer is small but it meet my needs. I have the Norcold in my 2017 Navion 24V and the Isotherm is much preferred. Temperature remains +or - 3 degrees F. I purchased a portable refrigerator as an adjunct to the Isotherm that travels well in my Ford F-150. The portable is capable of zero (0) degrees F however I have found I do not require the freezing temperatures as the portable keeps the Beer at the perfect temperature of 50 degrees F. The Isotherm Cruise has been employed by many in Power and Sailboats. John Davies did a spectacular job engineering and installation of the Isotherm. I would suggest that you take the John Davies installation documentation to various installers and get a quote on the installation. West Marine sells the Isotherm and surely they will assist if finding an installer.

I've read the inverter power button must be on and you power it ON/OFF from the remote panel. Not familiar with your model, so that's all I got. I believe @rich.dev and @Rivernerd and several others have this model.

Just saw this in the specs for this unit. If I decide to buy one, it certainly won't be one with a black cover!

I would replace them with same spec as what was OEM installed. Measure your overall length, count the links, measure the length and diameter of each link. The only clue that perhaps you have an older hull is "rust" since you have no signature. Live in the rustbelt? Ours was in the MW when first bought, down in AZ for years now and the chains look like brand new shiny chrome. They installed 3/8" hardened chromed links on ours, each link 2" long. Get highest grade available in the correct size. Overall length +/- a link could depend on where the Anderson mounts were bolted into placed.

Just as an interrogative comment and question on the subject: New OTT owners may still have spring issues with 2024 model year and forward rigs even though the new OEM axles are D52s. When we replaced our axles last May at Hohenwald, I noticed that our D52s were configured from Dexter with 1,750# 4-pack leaf springs. Since we had already installed Alcan 5-packs a few weeks prior, the OEM Dexter 4-packs were not used and stayed in TN after our D52/Alcan installation. @rideandfly - Bill, y'all seem fortunate to have your #75 rig come with the LE configuration running gear (D52s plus Dexter 5-packs)... It's my understanding that there has yet to be a reported any 5-pack spring failures. My question is, why doesn't the factory order the same axle set configuration for both the LE and LE2? Wouldn't this simplify supply from Dexter, inventory stocking, removing possible installation errors (as with 5k#/7.5k# Bulldog couplers), and ultimately do away with the 1,750# 4-packs which have a history of failing?

jd1923, maybe a couple of reasons to want a separate charger/inverter. My older hull number trailer has separate units already and it all works well so I’ll probably just leave well enough alone. Also, seems like the newer trailers with the combined units are having issues with both. If one unit goes down nothing works. I seldom ever turn on the charger anyway, I let the sun do its thing. Seldom use my generator as well. We’ll plug in if it’s available, sometimes. Really the only thing that must be plugged in is the air conditioner, everything else can run comfortably on either DC directly or on the inverter. The only situation that we would have had a problem is when we were caught in the Texas deep freeze about four years ago. Several days with little sun and highs in the twenties and lows in the single digits. Fortunately we had shore power the whole time. It’s a blessing to be able to own a trailer that is set up so that it really doesn’t matter if we have power or not and can easily allow us to camp most anywhere. I love it when a campground apologizes for not having a site with water or electricity and being able to say that it doesn’t matter we’ll be comfortable anywhere.

So the concern I have, that while it sounds simple to just turn off batteries... it seems in a direct contradiction to what Oliver and Lithionics says? (see John Dorrer post above) I vaguely remember something about the inverter being on with the batteries turned off... and then turning on the batteries (one by one) and there was some sort of possibility of a surge doing damage? Maybe someone can speak more informed about this? STATUS update: Friday at 12pm...after charging batteries were at 100%. At the moment, three days later batteries are at 98%. A more reasonable loss level. Everything is off, all the 12 volt fuses are pulled and all the breakers are turned off (under the dinette table). I'm going to replace those fuses/turn on breakers.... and continue my search for "what is consuming electric" when everything appears to be OFF?

Grade 30 confirmed - received my Andersen today via UPS (talk about a heavy box) and inspected the chain. It’s marked “L3” which is the grade 30.

Thanks for the link - ordered. I'm building up a list of projects when we take delivery next week.

You might check with this guy on the Facebook group. I don't know what awning they have, but he recently posted this photo here: https://www.facebook.com/stephen.cobb.92/posts/pfbid02PsM2NAX9S2WtxuJ934KEpYWijTiKn7CkN73UbuS2wjEJWJnSnpEGLMLXiddunZ4fl?__cft__[0]=AZXPEQlFt-MMZITryQd62UgjhS2Q3UCqmZ4DDApsEg7QCDTtSrkFvM2A9H8SF5PJQUeYS2zxr8ZWfVrrN5RLUtva4YTI3XeVz7DQHLMdgr2cfLG4-choHpoGNqlpF-4micQwn30A_omv2uqPnBVLCWEXNGL18qrXiCgiE81Cdlm_W1p99ML41mhFgOmj-4YPypZvkBDo1XgW1lFmBsuIMEi8&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-y-R

I've had them come loose but not fall off as yours did. After tightening those three or four times I re-assembled them with a couple of drops of Locktite (blue) on each bolt. They have not come loose since. Bill p.s. be careful to not overtighten and see if you can find that washer. The plastic can crack if you overtighten.

Yeah, but... When ours occurred in the spring, they got 40 calls that week and they never showed with over 30 in their group. We waited a couple of days and then had to do it myself.

My experience, the spray aggravates them and like you noted often does not work. We had this swarm in a cabinet on our deck this spring. We closed the cabinet, 2 hours after sunset, and my son and I carried it into the yard, laid it down opened so the morning sun would hit it. They left slowly over 3 days. When dark at night they are dormant. So at night, take the cover of your A/C as a first step. If the sun hits the hive straight on, they will likely leave. If you feel braver (I got really used to them after dealing with this swarm of thousands), Take a long-handled scraper blade and dislodge the hive, toss it if you can. If you have to, be ready to descend the ladder quickly, come back later after they have settled down to do more. Dress with heavy clothes, gloves hat and safety glasses.