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I've had Starlink since March. Figured I'd chime in with my experiences - - I've yet to mount the dish permanently (it will end up on the roof using their volcano mount), it's still sitting in our yard on the ground. I just move it to mow. It is heated, so I have no concerns about snow. Indiana isn't exactly Arizona, but it still gets warm here in the summer - no issues with overheating. - Outages are minimal. Had more outages when we first got it - typically ~15-30min/week if I had to guess. There was a single 4hr outage right after we got it. Outages were usually no more than 2 minutes back then, with the rare longer one. For the last several months - I have never noticed an outage in usage. The outage tracking in our app shows about 4 per day, but they're like 2 seconds each. They do sometimes push updates - this is typically around 3-4am, and one or both of the dish or router will reboot/update - this is typically in the 15-20min range. The app is used to control both the dish & router - they've consistently updated it to add functionality over time. I can reboot both the router & dish remotely. It has stats and you can run a speedtest. - The included router is pretty decent. It originally had almost no user controllable features - now it has a few more via updates, but still not very many. It works great though - I've kept the 2.4ghz signal on my cell phone mowing our 5acre yard for example. I've had it in our garage, so it's pretty tolerant of heat as well. The 5ghz signal penetrates to our bedroom - furthest away from the garage you can get, so it doesn't propagate too bad either. You can replace it with your own router if you want. I've so far seen no reason to dig out a more advanced router I have from our last residence. - Speeds are very good. There is some variation. The outer range limits are typically about 50-300Mbps download and 10-35Mbps upload. Ping is typically in the 25-60ms range. I'd say the average is typically in the middle - I almost always hit the 2.4ghz bandwidth limits on the wi-fi (50-80mbs in the house, depending which room), and I'd say 80-120mbs is the typical download range (15-25ish upload). Ping tends to hang closer to 45ms on avg. All of these speeds have improved since we first got it. - We live on a hill in the middle of a field - there are no obstructions close except the house, and I didn't put it close enough for that to be an issue. The app has a few ways to help check for obstructions/monitor for them. Users who have obstructions can still get service - just with some limits due to the arcs - lots of reports in other locations of people with some very tall trees around them - would be worth reading up on those. You still need line of sight to enough of the sky though. Some reports of people who have put it on the top of telephone poles and such. Rain has yet to cause any interruptions - the satellites are only around 250 miles up or so. Snow shouldn't cause issues either, nor should any accumulation (the dish is heated). The service is a game changer in rural areas IMO. My only internet options are cellular and a local WISP. I can see the interstate from my house and a small town - I'm within 20 miles of three different small cities (pop 20k-60k each). I can see two cell towers from my front porch. The cellular - our local towers are not upgraded for any of the Home Internet options, and two of the cell companies are in a position that we can get good high speed service with an exterior antenna, but inside the house (and neighbors not on the hill) service is much slower. Plus, since there is no home internet option, we'd blow through cell data caps instantly. Prior to Starlink we were doing illegal tethering to our cell phones vis usb. Traditional sat internet is just bad. The WISP is pretty decent, but I'd have to put up a 30-40ft tower to get over some treetops to get line-of-sight with some of their equipment. They have speeds slower than Starlink for less, but for $100/mo I'd be getting speeds 1/3rd the speed of Starlink. Plus there is sometimes weather related issues with the microwave dishes. Starlink, at this point, is functionally identical to our old Comcast cable internet in town - the speeds are almost the same. Comcast had a slight edge in latency and price, but even those differences weren't super large. I can't wait to see their mobile options. While nice for RVers, it could also be a game-changer for boats. The technology behind the dishes, satellites, and how they work is pretty amazing. Musk can be controversial, but SpaceX and Starlink are a lifeline to a ton of underserved rural areas & remote workers. I would highly recommend Starlink based on our experience to anyone in similar circumstances.

The answer to your questions depends on how your wife perceives meal prep when camping. Does she have visions of "like at home" meal prep or is she willing to make concessions? That being said, at home I am an avid cook/baker. Our kitchen is spacious and outfitted with all the "necessary" tools that make meal prep and baking easier and more enjoyable. It would be disconcerting, to me, if I were to compare it to the Oliver kitchen. I am happy to shift my mind-set, when camping, and have found the smaller Oliver galley to be well organized, as efficient as prior larger RV kitchens (such as our 5th wheel), and an improvement over the like sized galley in our Leisure Travel Van. One trick I employ: We have a wooden bread board (a recycled pull-out board from my HS Home Ec Dept). My husband installed rubber feet on the bottom so it fits snuggly over the stove top. We actually made this for previous RVs and were able to reposition the feet to fit the Oliver. It protects it glass top of the stove, when not in use, extending counter space. When using the stove, I place the board on the bed next to the galley and use it to set things out of the way, until needed (if that makes sense). I also use the small counters (pantry and microwave cabinet areas) extensively during meal prep; the dinette table, not so much. We do not have the microwave, but rather carry a small toaster oven for cooking. I use the nightstand for it. Regarding meal prep outdoors: I do very little outside. I like being in the kitchen, where everything is handy and I don't have to carry a lot in and out of the trailer. Also, at certain times of the year, bees/yellowjackets/hornets can be very annoying when preparing food, and eating too, outdoors. Cooking outdoors is too much like tent camping; we have a great indoor kitchen and choose to use it. When downsizing from a larger RV (30ft 5th-wheel) I quickly learned a valuable lesson: in the smaller space, it is important for everything to have a place and keep things put away. This makes any task more manageable and reduces stress. I pack things so items oft used are easy to get to (without having to empty the contents of a cabinet/drawer to get them. We utilize the tow vehicle to store items not often needed to conserve interior storage. Just a few ideas . . . . . hope this helps.

Great observation! There are times when I grill a bit more in advance of rainy weather. So I prepare a little extra so that we can reheat in our micro/convection oven the following day(s). No love for grilling in the rain.

Another way to clean out this area on the water heater and the fridge is to use a can of compressed air - I always have one onboard. Bill

Use a mobile RV service, the tech will come to the storage location or your driveway and do it hassle free. Your repair is perhaps a cracked check valve, correct? That is a super simple repair IF you have the part at hand. Otherwise it might take two separate visits. Oliver may not pay for two service calls…. If you can remove the floor yourself and locate the leak, then the tech will know what part to bring, or you can get one shipped to you from TN. Good luck. John Davies Spokane WA

We have towed our ELII (Hull 835)a few tousand miles now with our 2020 Expedition Max. Power to pull is no problem. I think payload is a problem. The car sags slightly in the rear with approximately 600 lb tongue wt. I started to feel like the trailer wanted to push the car on sweeping highway curves a bit. Could have been my imagination, but I did not feel comfortable going 60 mph. We decided to get an f250 with 7.3 godzilla gas engine that was on the lot. Looking forward to see how this feels towing. We will keep the Anderson WD hitch.

That a lot of food on the grill. How many people are you feeding?

We are fans of VT state parks too. Last summer we loved Button Bay State Park on Lake Champlain and Gifford Woods State Park in Killington. Paula

I feel the price is sooooo worth the quality, compared to mass produced RVs. We looked at the R-Pod, several years ago . . . . nothing about it screamed quality; cute, maybe. In our throw-away world, I appreciate Oliver for giving us a better option. We are in the same place as you . . . . just went over threshold to our 70's. We prefer to enjoy our remaining RV travel years without fixing, repairing, and replacing an RV at regular intervals. I have little to complain about after 9 months with our Oliver. As a bonus, you get valuable support from other Oliver owners, and, more importantly, the amazing lifetime customer service/support from Oliver. I'd venture to guess that, once you make the move, your wife will be thrilled!

We don’t have the lagun table or Overlands extension. We find there is adequate counter space for what we want to do. We do use the space on top of the fridge and the dinette table for big projects. I’ve often thought about doing Overlands extension project, it would be nice…. Mike

This may interest you - I think that most people would describe the counter space as minimal but adequate. Certainly we could get by without the extension, but it's one of those mods that we'd have a hard time giving up now that we have it. But people manage to cook in the small Ollie, and I've prepared plenty of meals on a rock next to a campfire, so really, you just adjust to what you've got and discover that it works fine. An option you might consider is the Lagun table but with one of the folding marine tops rather than Oliver's standard. They are typically lighter, larger, and more versatile. Sadly, the place where we got ours has closed, but if you google for 'folding marine table top', you'll find quite a few choices. We find that we're more likely to use the dinette table as additional counter space, particularly for staging things coming off and on the grill, drinks, etc. We use the Lagun for dining, which frees up the dinette for that purpose. You'll also find that the small counters at the fridge and pantry are surprisingly useful. This is our setup, and we're pretty happy with it - it's downright luxurious imo:

I had a unique opportunity on a recent trip we took while towing our Ollie down to the Chesapeake Bay for a little vacation. Actually observed a trailer tire failure in real time. Driving in moderately heavy traffic on an interstate at 60-65 mph, we were a bit behind a pickup truck towing an SOB dual axle travel trailer. It was a section of the interstate with 3 lanes in each direction. I was in the far right lane as usual, and the pickup truck/TT ahead of us were in the center lane. My wife and I both noticed that the forward tire on passenger side of the trailer ahead of us was low and the sidewall of the tire was oscillating side to side noticeably. Our position to the rear and right of the other trailer gave us a great viewpoint. The oscillations were getting worse, but the pickup truck driver was showing no indication he noticed anything at all as he happily maintained his speed. I tried to speed up an little to get alongside to try to honk/wave to warn him, but traffic opened up a bit at that point and he actually sped up significantly, so I fell pretty far behind. At this point, small chunks of rubber were now being thrown off the tire, but the driver continued on at speed. I gave up on my attempt to get alongside to warn him since I didn't feel safe getting closer, and actually backed off a bit further. Within another 30 seconds larger chunks of tire started coming off, followed by pieces of aluminum siding from the trailer side wall around the wheel well as the entire tread started coming off the tire and whipping around in the wheel well. So I slowed down even more to get a very safe distance behind from the impending disaster. Incredibly, the driver was still maintaining his speed! Probably doing 70mph and in the middle lane of three lanes of traffic! The full tire tread soon came off, fortunately I was far enough behind to avoid it easily along with all the other debris laying in the road at this point. By now other drivers closer to him in traffic were honking & waving at him, and he probably felt some drag or vibration at this point, and he finally figured out something was wrong, but because he was in the middle lane of the three lanes, and with the traffic, it took him quite a bit of distance to finally get over to the far right lane and he exited at an off ramp and pulled off on the shoulder there. By that point the tire was completely gone, but fortunately since it was a dual axle trailer, the driver never lost control. Some lessons learned, and/or reinforced. A very strong reminder of the need for a good TPMS system (I've had one since day one with our Ollie Elite II). A great demonstration of the advantage of a dual axle trailer for stability. And also a reminder that keeping to a reasonable speed and staying in the right hand lane most of the time are good practice.

Who can tell me the route of the wiring for the factory installed Voyager camera on a 2018 Oliver Elite I? The wire to the Voyager is not the traditional two wire (red/black), so I need to replace it.

This picture is from a 2017 LE2 and it’s the inside of the attic with the installation pulled down. The cable from the camera to the connector is less than 18" from the roof penetration. Mossey

I've used THIS Stuff. A bit expensive but it works. Bill

I'm with WolfDDS on cooking outside. I love to cook on our Weber 2200 and we can cook entire meals on the grill. In the morning: pancakes, eggs, bacon, english muffins all on the grill and then lunch and dinner: grilled vegetables, steaks, burgers, dogs, marinated chicken thighs, etc. My better half will do the veggie prep inside and I'll get everything ready outside. Our outdoor food prep station is a folding table and we have dialed in the utensils, condiments and everything else we need into a container or basket so we're not making too many trips in and out. If the weather is lousy, we'll have chicken salad or tuna salad or something that's easy. Cereal in the morning with fresh fruit. I want to get to a point where I can cook entire meals on the fire like SeaDawg has mentioned in other threads. Recently bought a bunch of cast iron for both our grill and the campfire from Lodge. I really enjoy cooking with cast iron. My wife is an excellent cook and we have a nice kitchen in our home. That said, she has never mentioned to me that the working space inside the trailer is inadequate. We eat very well, but simply, when camping. Love to buy fresh, local produce and good quality meats when traveling and we'll also pack some vacuum sealed foods as well. Good luck with your purchase!

I don't mind it, we can take it off and put it on with minimum of effort. Seems to do its job with anti sway.

What's the purpose of the hot water heater switch inside the trailer? Turning it off does not turn off the water heater. Thanks.

Thank you John. I appreciate the advice.

I have quick disconnects on both ends of my appliances. (stoves, cookers, fire pit, etc.). Since I do use my extension hose on other accessories it just alitames the carrying of more hoses. One exception is the Little Red Firepit, it's hose does windup inside the unit when not in use, but it to has quick disconnects on both ends which can give if needed two hoses for longer runs from the trailer. And yes, all regulators are removed from all appliances and only the trailer regulator is needed for safe use of each. I guess you can say, I went quick disconnect over board, but the ease of use is worth it to me. trainman

We camped in Banner Elk a couple of years ago. What a nice area. We will put this on our list! Mike

David, Great shots and very pretty campground. Hope we can get there this year once I get the TV out of the shop!

No it is a Kelty Big Shady. Not too bad to setup, packs down to a small duffle and dries fast.

I want to go on one of your treks...

I would think a Bigfoot truck camper or travel trailer would be the appropriate shelter for this type of work…

The first time we lived in Germany (late 70s) I bought a 1975 Alfa Romeo Alfasud ti. It had a 5 speed and horizontally opposed 4 cylinder engine, front wheel drive, fuel injection, quite a deal back then. European model only. It could cruise all day at 160 km/hr (100 mph). Oddly enough, it was very reliable. Had to leave it there when we came back home. Mike

I've cut the foam toppers for my elite, with dressmaker shears, but the biggest has been 2". The down topper i never bothered to modify. Don't worry too much about the exact, ahead of time. Get a full size topper. I use queen sheets, and tuck under, because it's easier . I've used full, and it's more of a struggle.

JD - The "pigtail" receptacle shown in the picture is only resting there for purposes of showing it in the picture. Actually, it is connected to about 4 feet of wire which makes it easier to connect it to the Ollie's pigtail and to place the entire connection under the Calmark cover to protect it from rain, snow, etc. Two additional side notes on the panel's construction in the picture above- 1. I used an old camera tripod to mount the solar panel in order to be able to point the panel more directly towards the winter sun and to shed snow, leaves, etc. from the face of the panels. 2. The yellow "ropes" that can be seen at the bottom of the tripod are used to secure the assembly to the ground - I use 15 inch spikes through the rope and driven all the way into the ground. This not only prevents the assembly from tipping over in a strong wind but also in making sure the panels don't "walk away". Note that the knots on nylon rope around the tripod legs have been "heat treated" (i.e. melted) so that they are not easily undone. Of course a decent knife could be used to cut those in short order but enough is enough and the storage facility would probably have pictures of any attempts of this nature. Bill

Exactly. I'm thinking that anything smaller than half-ton might be pushing the limits in terms of safety. I'm liking the idea of having that extra towing capacity in reserve. Better to have too much than too little.

We have spent a bunch of weekends last year during the pandemic lockdowns and this summer in Vermont https://vtstateparks.com/camping.html#lodging. We have camped from South to North at Fort Dummer, Mount Ascutney, Wilgus, Quechee Gorge and Silver Lake. I thought I would take a few minutes to review our experience. For starters the Vermont State Parks are very well managed and maintained. None of them have hookups but they all have nice Bathroom/Shower facilities and dump stations. One thing Vermont is not known for is cell service. I often joke that we are going to Cell Free Vermont! This is not an all inclusive list. Just the spots we have been to so far. Fort Dummer https://vtstateparks-visit.com/camping/fort-dummer-state-park/r/campgroundDetails.do?contractCode=VT&parkId=1280014 Fort Dummer is right outside of Brattleboro has many big sites that can easily fit LEII's. There are three nice hikes in the campground. One to see the sunrise, one to see the sunset and one steep trail that goes down to river. The campground is also the site of an old slate quarry. Brattleboro is a quaint little town with a few shops and restaurants. Mount Ascutney https://vtstateparks-visit.com/camping/mount-ascutney-state-park/r/campgroundDetails.do?contractCode=VT&parkId=1280019 Is located at the Base of Mount Ascutney in Windsor, Vermont. The hike to the top is very steep and long but there are 2 parking lots on the way up so you park and hike halfway or park almost at the summit. The summit has a lookout tower with unbelievable views. Wilgus https://vtstateparks-visit.com/camping/wilgus-state-park/r/campgroundDetails.do?contractCode=VT&parkId=1280024 Wilgus is only a few miles from Mount Ascutney. It is right on the Connecticut River with a boat launch for Canoes and Kayaks. It is pretty small with only 15 Tent/RV sites and you need to be careful when selecting a site because some of the sites have the firepit on the wrong side for RV camping. Sorry I do not have a list of those sites. We camped on Site T01 and it was perfect. Quechee https://vtstateparks-visit.com/camping/quechee-state-park/r/campgroundDetails.do?contractCode=VT&parkId=1280021 Quechee State park is just a gem it is located just outside of Woodstock Vermont, another quaint Vermont village. All the sites are very nice with most of them big and easily able to hold LEII's The bathroom facilities are very nice. The campground is located at the Quechee gorge with a nice trail down to the gorge. (Steep coming back home). The gorge is perfect for a day of picnicking and swimming. Silver Lake https://vtstateparks-visit.com/camping/silver-lake-state-park/r/campgroundDetails.do?contractCode=VT&parkId=1280022 Silver Lake is just about 20 minutes from Quechee. In Barnard, VT. The lake is beautiful and has a great beach area. They rent paddle boats, canoes and kayaks. The fishing in the lake is terrific with large mouth bass and pike to catch. The campground has WiFi at the beach and near the gate/entrance. Don't forget to go to the Barnard Country Store it has ice cream and a great deli.

Good point. The reason I turn mine on when leaving for a trip is that I always have water in the tank. I drained it once to replace the anode a few years ago, but other than that it is always full. I do have a mental checklist that includes turning it off if we’re dry camping and I’m going to use the generator. You definitely don’t want to heat just air! Mike

Note: I don't have solar or big lithium power systems. On my departure check list I have a requirement to decide to leave the outside electric switch on or off. If my next stop has 30 amps, then by all means I leave the electric power on to the water heater. But if my next stop has only a 20 amp, or if I will be using my Honda EU200I, I turn the electric off to the hot water heater. My check list also has me turn the refrigerator to gas only. When I arrive at at a site that does not have 30 amp service, if my trailer is hot inside, my priority is to get the AC on ASAP. I check that: My battery charge is OK That the refrigerator is still on gas only I then turn off the Converter (On board battery charger) at the breaker. Doing so pretty much assures me that there will not be any significant electrical loads against the generator other than the A/C. It took me a while to figure out that the 45 amp converter is a silent power theft for when I want the AC on. 😞 The above has worked well for me.

3 or 4 years ago we were camping up outside of Dallas. It was late fall and the weather was cool. We left for the afternoon and we left the awning out about 5’ and the window underneath open a couple of inches. One of those big pop-up thunderstorms happened. When we got back, the bed on the awning side (mine) was soaked. Bedding, mattress, everything. Not fun. Now, we usually never leave the trailer with windows open (bathroom is an exception) and I almost always crank the awing in, if it’s out it’s only 2 or 3 feet. EZE Gutters also help. Mike

Everyone knows storage space is a premium. This is a simple mod to add a shelf under your dinette. The shelf rest on the lip that holds the counter when it's in sleep mode.

Another great week camping at Mountain River Family CG. We really enjoy this CG for the great location and the TLC the owners provide. They are campers and know what campers enjoy. It’s very clean, neat and just well run. The CG is bordered by the North Toe River which usually has plenty of trout fishing and tubing. The sites are a really a decent size and you don’t feel cramped. We booked again for next year and really are looking forward to our stay. A little venison sausage! From woods to table! A little quiet time fishing in the North Toe River..

I have no direct knowledge, but I think if I were in the market right now, I'd give a close look to Cannondale's new Neo Topstone e-bikes, which seem to be getting good reviews. I only say that because I'm lusting a bit for the regular Topstone right now. The new 'gravel bike' category really hits the sweet spot for where I ride, and would probably fit well for travel, especially in e-bike form. They're made for the combo pavement and not too technical trails - mild rear suspension and an optional front suspension fork. They're essentially 90's style mountain bikes with drop handlebars. Pricey of course, since it's Cannondale, especially for the front suspension models. But they look sweet, don't they?

Dang! I've been drinking lots of water straight from my Ollie taps since I got it 3 years ago. Based on everything I've read above, I should be dead by now. It's a miracle! Oh, but I live in a place where our tap water is as perfect and pristine as it comes. I've never tasted plastic from Ollie water. It tastes exactly like what I drink from my tap here in Portland Oregon, and I've yet to sanitize the tank. I suppose I should soon, given it's been 3 years. I do always leave it empty when not in use.

What a great idea! Thanks for the detailed info.

Sounds like more space for wine, to me.

We're all waiting for Overland to retire so he'll manufacture his nifty sidemount invention for the Lagun for all of us... 😅

In OK weather we prefer to cook more complicated meals outside. We've mostly used the indoor stove for simple tasks like heating morning coffee water though we have cooked a few multi-pan meals when it was raining outside. We tend to cook somewhat simpler meals while camping than when at home in any case. Would I love more indoor prep space? Sure. Would I make the necessary trades to get it (wider or longer trailer or slides or such)? No. But that's me/us. I'm presuming you have some decent sense of your own camping style from use of your current pop up trailer and possibly prior camping as well. If you haven't camped a lot and don't have a sense of the actual flow of camping for you guys, you may benefit from renting some trailers of different sizes for a year or two of camping to get that sense. Life is full of tradeoffs and only you can decide what you're willing to yield in exchange for what else. The Oliver's kitchen (plus dinette top and those little ledges folks have mentioned) is only marginally more cramped than my wife's and my first one bedroom city apartment and we made some pretty involved meals there. Eventually I'm sure I'll add a counter extension similar to what Overland has, but it's not way up there on my to-do list yet. I may also add the Lagun table setup similar to his, but I think that's even further out and I may never do this. Even the nifty folding table is just more stuff to carry around and move from here to there etc.

Tow vehicle works for water storage. We carry 1 or two (depending on the length of our trip) 4 gal "approved for drinking water" jugs, filled with filtered spring water from home, in the pickup bed or back seat. In addition, a 1 gal water jug is carried in the trailer for immediate use. This we fill, as it gets emptied, either from the 4 gal jug or from "city water" (yuk!) or other known source of sanitary water along the way. Many grocery stores have water dispensers, but, again, it's probably city water. 1 gallon of water usually supplies a day's worth for the two of us - for coffee, drinking, and cooking, except maybe in extreme heat and/or when we are doing a lot of hiking or other outdoor activity. There are other options, especially if you will be far from a source of drinking water. Some boondockers carry a water bladder in the pickup bed. We have never drank water from any of our RV tanks, past and present. It is possible to sanitize the system, but it's much less hassle to carry fresh water and not have that extra chore.

For anyone sitting on the fence with regards to this mini-rally, I'd say that you should not miss it. Small enough to be able to talk to everyone in attendance yet there is plenty of space to roam. Even with the threat of a hurricane during the first Florida mini-rally it really was a very enjoyable event. Foy and Mirna really know how to make everyone feel welcome. Bill

We keep a case of bottled water in the truck moving a half dozen or so into the pantry each day. These are small bottles for drinking. We also keep a few larger (gallon) bottles in the truck for coffee. Some use Brita or other filters. The fresh water tank is for showers and dish washing. Mike

Steve, you are brilliant.

Good comments. Just to add one - light truck tires on the Oliver are probably less susceptible to issues than most trailer tires. Mike

Not sure where they put in 2017 on Expedition but in addition to payload in drivers door see if you have this one on the hitch. Tell you max weight with and without WDH.

We live out west in Northwestern Arizona . We travel to Eastern Colorado / Kansas via I-70 across the Rockies on occasion . We have decided we will need at a minimum an F-250 / Ram 2500 for an L.E.II . As a retired long haul reefer driver the combination is so important . I have seen so many rigs along the side of the roadway approaching Vail / Eisenhower pass .. Not a good feeling .. Just remember folks when it comes to the rubber hitting the road ; it is the total loaded weight of BOTH vehicles ( combination ) one needs to consider .

Our max tongue weight we can have is 920 pounds. I thought the Oliver was about 700 pounds. I am thinking of the 30 pound propane tanks and no front basket. Will I be ok? My do not exceed number is 1404 pounds occupants and cargo. If 700 pounds for tongue weight and my wife and I are 340 pounds combined, wouldn't that give us about 364 pounds for our CCC? I thought the wdh helped us. I am new to all this.

Our Zip Dee Chairs are close to 25 + years old and we are still using them everytime we go camping. We did however just get new Dark Blue Sunbella covers for them to match our Oliver's new color scheme. Since we wouldn't leave home without them, we had to find a convenient place to store them. The attached pics shows our Chair Holder, which also holds our umbrellas inside the closet. The first pic shows just the Holder & umbrellas, second pic show the Holder with 1 chair, the third pic show the Holder with 2 chairs and the Sink's Cutting Board slide next to the chair. The original plan was to use Velcro to hold the Holder to the Closet's wall, but it fit snugly without velcro. I put a little Teak Oil on the Wood Arms Pads and Waxed the SS Frame, they look new, good for at least another 25 years. BTW, these chairs are the most comfortable chairs we have ever used. Now onto the next items on the "Honey Do List," a Bike Rack-Teak Table (with ComPass Rose) for the Dinette, Teak Pantry & Microwave Counter, and of course finish the Teak Nightstand Pull Out Table, just to mention a few!