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Besides the huge improvement in the sound level there is also another area where it surpasses the Dometic AC that I had replaced. The Houghton with the compressor running draws 10 amps while the Dometic was pulling 16 amps. So I decided to install a second transfer switch for the air conditioner to test it running off the batteries. It was 11 o'clock in the morning on a cloudless sunny day the temperature was 88 degrees. I had my batteries 400 Ah fully charged with 340 watts on the roof and 230 watts remote ready to feed it. I set the thermostat at 70 degrees and turned on the AC. Once it brought the temperature down to 70 I noticed it was cycling four minutes on with the compressor and four minutes off. I left it running until about 5 o'clock and was surprised to see that the batteries were at 97 percent. So I was happy with those results but time will tell if that is the norm. I put the picture in to also show it's nice low profile. Paul

Share and Enjoy !Shares As many of you know, in the fall of last year, we moved into our new Sales & Service Center located at 228 Industrial Ave., Hohenwald, TN. Since moving into our new Sales & Service Center, all customers receiving service work were allowed to use our electric hookups at our old sales office located at 737 Columbia Hwy in Hohenwald. We have now completed our campsites at our new Sales & Service Center. Beginning September 1, 2021, we will allow customers who are getting service work and all new deliveries to stay at our new campsites adjacent to our new Sales & Service Center. Our electric hookups at 737 Columbia Hwy will no longer be available for use beginning September 1, 2021. Our new adjacent camping area features seven individual campsites with water, 30 amp electric hookups, and a dump station. Due to the limited number of campsites and increased customer volume, staying at our campsite is by reservation only. Since we are delivering one, and in many cases two, trailers per day, all new deliveries will be automatically reserved for only one night in our campsites. If you wish to stay longer in the area, you must make reservations at one of the other local campgrounds. If you have or are planning to schedule service at our facility, please let us know if you need an overnight reservation for one of our campsites. To make reservations, please call us at 1-888-526-3978 during normal business hours of 8 AM to 5 PM CST, Monday thru Friday. Having our campsites adjacent to our new Sales & Service Center will better serve our new and existing customers. We look forward to visiting with you when you come to see us for service or at the delivery of your Oliver! Share and Enjoy !Shares The post New Oliver Campsites appeared first on Oliver Travel Trailers. Read the Full Article

Scott Oliver and I had a long conversation the other night about ditching the Zamp stuff and going to all Victron. He agreed that it would be a step in the right direction. We'll see...

Greetings Oliver Forum readers! When our children were young we towed our pop-up camper on weekend adventures to nearby Southern California beaches and mountain parks. Now that our children are on their own and retirement is looming we are preparing for a new adventure as full timers. We completed the first step last week when we ordered an OTT. It was an easy decision since we were introduced to OTTs by Chris and Cherie of Technomadia years ago. When they were struggling with RV issues they offer mentioned how dependable their Elite I was during their early years as full timers. Recent OTT reviews confirmed their experience was still relevant. So we did a walk though with a local Oliver Ambassador and committed. We are excited to listen (read) and learn from all of the amazing resources on the Oliver Forum. Oliver Elite II, Delivery July 1, 2022 Tow vehicle TBD? Zach and Margaret

Thank you Paul! I saw a post this morning about traveling in cold weather and SeaDog responded with a link to your heater duct mod. After reading it, I realized I missed your original post or maybe I just forgot it. And I will add that it was very informative and nicely done. Mossey

Take off the grates and cover the spreaders with good paper towels. Mop it up. If I had one handy, I'd take a wet/dry shop vac to it. How much water are we discussing?

Thanks. I try to share some of my projects to give back to the Oliver forum for all the great info and ideas I have gleaned from it. To answer your question yes that is part of an upgrade I did to the heating system. Last winter here in Minnesota I was able to test my heating modification in sub zero temperatures. I loaded the Oliver with water and with no added insulation I spent 2 1/2 days in temperatures reaching negative 12 below zero. This was done using only battery and available solar to power the trailer. If interested check out Breaking Subzero | Oliver Furnace Mod under Ollie Modifications. Thanks Paul

Oliver Owners, We picked up our new trailer (Legacy Elite I #664) on Sept 16, 2020 and have been using it on/off since this date. Overall, our experience has been wonderful and the quality of the trailer has been much better than what we have read about other manufacturers. In an attempt to help others with our recent learnings, I am listing some of the items were have learned about, fixed, and/or submitted a tickets for: Initial Pickup: - The bathroom interior window frame was bent due to being over tightened - Jason and the person showing us the trailer located a new frame and installed. - Window shade over the rear driver's side window had damage to the felt liner at the bottom of the night shade. - Orientation team replaced. First Night Camp @ Davy Crockett State Park: - Noticed that the propane alarm was not on. - Contacted Jason via telephone and he walked me through installing the 1A fuse that was included in the box of spare fuses provided. The fuse holder is located under the dinette seat and is somewhat hard to find as it is black and not easy to see. - Upon opening the rear compartment door, the bracket where the wire attaches to keep the door from swinging down came unglued. - Contacted Jason to let him know and he said they would send me some epoxy to fix. Ended up purchasing some a few weeks after getting back home as it never arrived. I let Jason know we no longer needed as I had fixed per his recommendation of Gorilla 2 part epoxy. - Shower floor squeaks a lot - Contacted Oliver Service and have a ticket for them to repair when we take the trailer back to TN for its annual checkup. According to Jason, the squeak is most likely from the shower tub not being cut correctly or the padding under it not installed correctly. No biggie for now as we have learned to live with it knowing that it will get fixed. If your spouse decides to use the bathroom at night, It will wake you up. No liquids right before bedtime. 🙁 First Long Drive from TN to AR: - Had someone flag us down and let us know that the rear compartment door had come open during travel. Upon pulling over and inspecting, we noticed that the screws had come loose on the latch and allowed the door to open with the latch locked close. I was lucky enough to have some blue lock-tight with me to use on the screws when retightening. No further issues experienced. We let Oliver know that this happened and they indicated that lock-tight should have been added to the screws at the factory. I am confident they put new procedures in place to keep this from happening again. First Time Back Home: - Spent time learning about the solar system, inverter, appliances, etc.... - Realized that both the Solar Controller and the Inverter were both set to flooded batteries vs. the AGMs we had installed. Changed both to AGM. No issues noted so not sure if it really mattered. Texas State Park Close to Home: - Noticed a small gap at the top of the external door window frame. - Contacted Oliver and was told that the frames are designed to click together but requires special plastic keys to take the frame off to inspect. From my reading this is a common thing from the door factories with the tabs getting broken. We tried several time to get the internal frame to snap together with the external frame. No luck. Contacted Oliver again and Jason said he would have a new frame (and plastic keys) sent to us so we can repair/replace. The suppliers are backed up, so it has now been two months with the door window frame and glass loose. I was successful in learning that there is a supplier zarcor.com that has the window frames (Lippert) in stock and can be purchased/delivered within a couple of days. We will most likely end up just ordering and replacing as they also offer a clear tinted glass and window shutter for the door. There is another post in this forum with pictures if you are interested. Being that this repair is taking a long time to get resolved, I would recommend anyone picking up their trailer inspect this and have it repaired before taking delivery. Arkansas State Park (Crater of Diamonds): - Upon arrival at the State Park we noticed that the trailer was squeaking loudly with every small bump in the park. Upon inspection, I did not notice any lose bolts, nuts, fittings on the suspension. We contacted Jason at Oliver and he had not heard of anyone having this problem before. We ducked our heads down and slowly made it to our campsite without disturbing the other campers throughout the park. We did get some stares tho with the squeaks. Once setup, I made a quick trip to the local hardware store to purchase a small grease gun/grease, 90-degree zerk fitting as the zerks are not accessible without having the pull the tire off, and some dry lube spray. Utilized to the stabilizers to take some weight off the trailer and utilized the grease gun. Fun fact - the top zerk fitting (wet bolt) that attaches to the frame bracket actually serves no purpose as the bolt is not contained within a bushing (Only on the single axle trailers). I would not recommend you go to town putting grease in this wet bolt as the grease will just exit the bolt and make a nice stream of grease falling on the lower spring eye. Not sure why dexter/oliver designed it with a wet bolt in this location. Sad part is that, the squeak we had was between the shackle and the trailer frame bracket and without the trailer bracket having a bushing there is no real way to get grease between the two. Only option at this point was to use the dry lube spray. Happy to say that this resolved most of the squeak until we could get back home (~400 miles). Upon getting home, I used a spray can of Fluid Film to spray down the area between the shackle and trailer bracket. No more annoying squeak! I have some pictures on another computer that I can attach at a later time if you are curious. Other trips - Nothing new to report beyond what has already been said above. Improvements - As recommended by others on this forum, we did go ahead and install the black window seals available on pellandent.com due to some of the white window seals had stains on them from the factory and were cut about 1" too short. I must say that the black seals look much better and should eliminate an excess amount of water needing to travel through the window drains due to them now being long enough. If you do a search on this forum for pellandent you will see some pictures posted by others. Once again, the point of this post is to inform others of our experience and to share some of the things we have learned. As with anything, enjoying life comes with opportunities to improve oneself and help others on their journey. Mark

Here is a draft delivery checklist prompted, in part, by comments regarding a recent inverter-mount failure (see below). This delivery inspection checklist began with one used by NCeagle for his delivery, to which I've added items. The list is almost certainly incomplete -- what other items would you suggest to help new buyers? Thanks to Oliver for providing this educational ad-free forum, and to all of you for your forum posts that have contributed to this list. This open-dialogue forum is IMHO a huge asset to the OliverOllie Inspection Checklist (draft 4-9-2021).pdf travel trailer brand. I divided the list into two parts: (1) the actual delivery day inspection and (2) items for further inspection at DCSP. I plan on testing the list in 3 weeks when we pick up Hull 792, and will refine the list based on this experience (and with your additions, suggestions, comments, etc). The list is in pdf form. Once updated, I'd be happy to send out (or post) an xlsx version.

We're Todd and Laurie Hoffman from Maryland, !1August 2021, Hull 1131 well be ours next June 2022, Hopefully time well fly by until then! It well be our 3rd RV, Really impressed with the Build quality, hopefully Oliver well keep it up! unlike all the best of the company's out there. Love the dry camping potential ! still debating lithium pro vs lithium platinum though. really like the large reserve of the platinum setup and ability to run the AC as needed. We look forward to joining the Oliver get-togethers and meeting other Oliver owners!

And, as production increases, resolution of these quality control issues takes time and resources that could be better used on the production end. I realize it is difficult during these pandemic times to get any help, let along qualified help. But, having to manage an increased number of quality related issues can only result in lost ground. Streamlining production is a step in the right direction, but an uptick in unnecessary problems could be disasterous for Oliver's reputation of quality and customer service. I will say, the service crew is doing a great job - better than most RV manufactureres.

The Last time I was out West I forgot what state. We came to a check point and they were more concerned if i was carrying fire wood not weapons😎

We discovered another disadvantage to the newer, cantilevered awnings. With the old manual style, you had to drop the awning down in order to roll it up. This facilitated the removal of fir needles and such, after camping in forested areas. Our 2021 Elite II was ordered with the standard powered Girard awning. I understand there is a way to adjust the pitch, thus lowering the front rail of the awning. However, this is achieved with tools and a manual adjustment. We rarely use the awning to create a shaded living area, mostly because we don't want to worry about wind. When we do use the awning, it is to shade the side of the trailer to help keep the fridge cool. I'm beginning to think these new fangled powered, legless awnings are not idea. They look good, but lose many of the practical features, such as being able to adjust the tilt and lower the awning to better shade the side of the trailer and allow for cleaning off the upper surface before retraction. We try to park the trailer such that the street side does not get direct, afternoon sun, when temps are warmer. But this is not always possible, if you are restricted by the orientation of the campsite. Open for suggestions

Yes I was thinking about the short cycles also and a possible explanation would be the trailer internal temperature had not stabilized yet since I only stayed long enough for it to drop to temp set on thermostat. I did stop in to check the batteries couple times during the 6 hour test but neglected to check cycle time. I have also not used it much ether.

I hope all my parts will wear out at the same time, though it seems increasingly likely that this won't be the case...

Watch the classified section on this forum and out in the Oliver Travel Trailer for Sale | Facebook group like a hawk and be ready to pounce (sorry, mixing my metaphors). They usually seem to be sold quite quickly. While I impatiently waited for my trailer to go into production I watched the classifieds here and saw one listed a few towns away from me. I replied within an hour of posting and set up a time to view it early the next morning. But within a few hours someone who lives six hours or so away had already put their cash down sight unseen and so scooped it out from under me. I am fine with that as I like my new trailer and I wouldn't have been willing to commit without an in person walkthrough, but this may give you some sense of the current market. There just aren't a ton of these trailers out there for sale or otherwise.

Chances are fairly good that Oliver will not do this install during the normal production of an Oliver. However, the Service Department does do "custom" work such as this camera install. If ordering a new Oliver and you're interested in this type of thing, it would be good to consult with the Service Department early on in the ordering process to determine if they can help and what the costs might be. Good luck.

The single most valuable thing on SeaDawg's Ollie just might be those window vents! 😊 They are no longer made!

@Overland has 640 watts on his roof. Oliver did this install back when they did more customization. I don't know if they had to move any of the rooftop equipment , but I'm sure he'll know. Others have added the narrow 80 watt zamp panels to the system themselves, and upped their fixed wattage. We doubled our wattage on our trailer by swapping out our 2 x 100 watt panels for slightly larger 200 watt panels in our sidemount system. So, it is possible, even with the limited rooftop real estate, to increase solar production. Your trailer may look like a landing strip from above, and you'll probably get some shading from the ac and vents at various times of the day, but it will up the production.

We prefer to bring our water from home which is filtered through ceramic filter. We use 6 gallon jugs to bring a supply of water with and then have smaller glass containers for our daily use, one is kept in the refrigerator for drinking water the other on the table for coffee or cooking. So to free up some space in the closet I decided to utilize the space under the dinette seating. To be able to accommodate two jugs I would drop the first one in the opening and slide it towards the foot well and then have the room in the opening to drop in the second one in. To accomplish this I had to remove the obstacle which was a receptacle box for the ground fault outlet. I relocated it to the opposite side on the same wall. By the way this was the first time that I cut any fiberglass on my trailer. It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. I then made a aluminum backer plate so I could use a blank cover on the front to fill the hole that was left. My next concern was to protect the insulation on the floor of the compartment, so I decided to fit a piece of quarter inch plexiglass that I had on hand The last step of the project was to make a bookend to stop the water jugs from sliding forward. Here I used a short piece of 3/4" foam water pipe insulation and added some pieces of adhesive backed one inch foam to form the back stop, this is slipped over the black tank back flush pipe and butts up against the black water tank. There was one other obstacle, there were a series of wiring harnesses that came up out of the trough and were tethered with tie straps and screwed to the floor and then went off to various locations I had to undo the tie straps and gather enough slack to move the harnesses back far enough to clear the area where the plexiglass was laid. What am I going to do with all the extra space in the closet? Paul

I wish it came in more colors . . . . like pool noodles!

SeaDawg, Thank you for sharing your experience with Chris and Cherie. I look to them as mobile tech innovation leaders. I have learned so much from their videos. More than I can ever hope to put to good use. I followed them from their vintage bus to their ocean going boat and recently consulted their site for mobile internet access advise. They have been an influence on me and are a great resource for the RV community. Zach

Zach and Margaret, welcome! I follow Technomadia still today. Interesting couple… Glad to hear you are joining the group. July will get here before you know it. Lots of smart folks here to answer questions and give opinions! Mike

I didn't pick one up, but should have. Sure beats big needles, a punch, and a leather palm. If they still have any next trip, I will. Would be handy on the boat, too.

Soak a cotton ball with Braggs Organic Apple Cider Vinegar and tape it to the bug bites for about 20 minutes. I get big red welts and bite bumps from mosquitos. The redness goes away in about 20-30 minutes. I keep applying the Vinegar and the bumps go away too. Best to apply it right after you get bit. Hope this helps.

You are correct. The gray tank vents back through the drain pipe from the shower and lavatory. It is tied to the outside vent pipe under the closed up vanity, then going through the wall into the closet and up through the roof. Closing the shower drain has no effect here because it can still vent through the AAV.

This may interest you - I think that most people would describe the counter space as minimal but adequate. Certainly we could get by without the extension, but it's one of those mods that we'd have a hard time giving up now that we have it. But people manage to cook in the small Ollie, and I've prepared plenty of meals on a rock next to a campfire, so really, you just adjust to what you've got and discover that it works fine. An option you might consider is the Lagun table but with one of the folding marine tops rather than Oliver's standard. They are typically lighter, larger, and more versatile. Sadly, the place where we got ours has closed, but if you google for 'folding marine table top', you'll find quite a few choices. We find that we're more likely to use the dinette table as additional counter space, particularly for staging things coming off and on the grill, drinks, etc. We use the Lagun for dining, which frees up the dinette for that purpose. You'll also find that the small counters at the fridge and pantry are surprisingly useful. This is our setup, and we're pretty happy with it - it's downright luxurious imo:

I found this tiny drainer that fits perfectly in the sink. I got it at TJ Maxx. I do dishes with it in the sink and rinse and dry in place. It travels there under the cutting board as well.

I agree with the disappointment in finding somewhat serious quality issues with an $80k travel trailer! Sure the factory will repair it... but that isn't always a convenient solution nor is it satisfactory. I really don't want to have a "laundry list of manufacturing defects" to check on during my April, 2022 delivery day inspection (but I will). I had owned another (here unnamed) brand... that as a company was very similar to Oliver in their dedication to customer satisfaction. They would jump thru hoops trying to make everyone happy, even after the warranty had expired. Their failure (to this day) is that far too many times the SAME customer problems would crop up over and over to the point that their Forum was really a "how to fix the design/manufacturing problems yourself" site. Based on my experience with that brand... I made a point to ask Anita and Jason a very specific question when I took our factory tour; "When a problem happens in the field... how do you handle it?" They assured me that when something happens in the field... they go back to the manufacturing point and attempt to get to the "root problem"... and fix it so that it doesn't happen on future builds. I hope that turns out to be true... because most of the problems that pop up... if they do a proper root cause analysis... these things shouldn't happen again. It's in their interest to do so because every "repair" is profit lost, whether its done at the factory or by an authorized rv repair facility. I sincerely hope that somebody at Oliver is monitoring this site to be aware of problems... especially repetitive ones. In addition, I think it would be nice to sometimes hear from Oliver on what they are doing to resolve some of these problems (for example the shackles with wet bolts that should have a bushing?).

Seems a bit much but I’m sure that Steve has it all organized intuitively.

Looks like we may be at the factory potentially the same time you guys are......Quote date 08 August 2021, Order placed 12 August 2021 with Deposit and delivery set for June 14, 2022.......I wasn't given a Hull number yet?? We ok with the wait time as long as our health holds up lol

To the extent that all standard RV door latches are nearly identical in design, and probably produced by the same overseas manufacturer, yes it could also apply to Olivers. I don't believe however that the problem is as pervasive as this video would have you believe. Like so much online content, this article strikes me as nothing more than click-bait for a commercial sponsors product. It is interesting to see how nearly identical the Latch.It touch pad featured in the video is to the RVLock product on my LEII. It is my understanding that on latches where there are two key tumblers, the one for the strike latch handle has a master key capability which enables dealers to use one key for any unique tumbler combination. The supposed fantasy being that availability of these master keys is tightly controlled. The second tumbler that controls the dead bolt is not master key capable and will respond only to the unique key code that matches the tumbler combination. In the case of the RVLock products, there are 50 some unique key codes so someone would either need all 50+ keys or some luck that one from a smaller selection would be the correct one. For Olivers, I would be more concerned about the keyed draw latches on the baggage and battery compartment doors. On the other hand, a "key" for these is never further than my tool box.

Wow. Mark, this is really discouraging. I've had my own issues with my LE2 I just picked up and will be posting something similar to your post in coming weeks. I think OTT really needs to figure out how to up their quality control. I agree that OTT has great customer service, but like you Mark, I'm far away in California. After spending big for the trailer, I don't think it's reasonable for any of us to have to be doing repairs or maintenance in the first few weeks on parts of the trailer that should have been assembled correctly by the factory. A few little things, OK, but suspension? windows? flooring? These should all be identified before we arrive for pickup.

It will be nice to be able to stay in the Oliver campground. They had hoped to have it ready when we picked up ours, but it was another casualty of COVID delays. I would recommend making reservations at David Crockett State Park for a day or two after you leave "Camp Oliver". It will give you a relatively short journey to get the feel of towing your Ollie, and you will still be close to Hohenwald in case you come up with towing questions or something goes awry. We spent three days at David Crockett and enjoyed it thoroughly. Clean, well maintained, and overall a beautiful park.

Welcome to the forum, and congrats! I hope you enjoy your Ollie as much as we've enjoyed ours for the last 14 seasons.

Welcome and congrats on your upcoming Oliver. Good advice from LongStride. Plan a few days at pick up to check things out before leaving the Hohenwald area. We’ve had almost 6 years of fun traveling all over this great country in our Oliver. Mike

Great news and great pictures! Glad it’s going so well, enjoy your journey home. Hope to meet you out on the road somewhere! Mike

Pisgah Inn will now allow non-guests to eat lunch there if you make reservations. We were across the road at Mt. Pisgah campground for 4 nights this week. Best hike we did was the Black Balsam Knob hike (off Forest Service Rd. between mileposts 420 and 421.)

Camping at Deer Lick Creek COE just outside of Tuscaloosa. Just one other camper in our loop, probably a dozen sites around us empty. Hot and humid but quiet!

On our way to Kentucky we stayed at another Harvest Host location. This is Century Farm Winery in Jackson, TN. Had a nice tasting and sat by the vineyards sipping our purchase! Good location and friendly folks.

For you Harvest Host folks we are spending the night at Bee Happy Farm in Brashear, TX. It’s about 10 miles off of I-30 between Dallas and Texarkana. Grass fed cows, free range chickens, horses, etc. Very pleasant!

Thanks for doing this Fritz. Nice Job. I have printed both lists (yours and mine) and will compare over coffee tomorrow morning. From first glance it looks complete. I'll pass along any adds I may have which would be of interest to any new owner.

Someone on Oliver Forum replying to a topic made the statement that the Oliver trailer is really more of mobile tiny home then a camper, and I agree with that. Having your home ready for what ever you may run in to gives peace of mind so a person can really enjoy the time while out having adventures. I really like your ideas of building in redundancies in to the heating systems. Like what I said in my post, my mods are totally reliant on the furnace functioning and that includes not having problems with propane supply and how it has problems with gasifying in subzero temps. I think that when everyone shares there ideas we will be able to come close to having the security of our homes built in to our Oliver.

I am glad I found this post. Not experienced at all with travel trailers and picking up Elite 1 late Jan. I am already a bit overwhelmed with trying to figure out what I need to bring (dog, hah, and will be FT in Elite 1). Dead of winter in TN for picking up (delivery day), and gonna stay at David Crockett State Park a few extra days on my own dime to learn and — be sure all these things are working properly while I am somewhat close to Ollie factory. Then heading thru AR, one night, and onward to TX. I’m sure Josh will get me in for any issues if they exist — while I am at DCSP that first week. Gotta admit though, this made me a bit more nervous than I already was.

We made the trip to the factory at the end of November and placed our order and deposit for our new LE2, and though we won’t pick it up until late 2021, we’re excited and hope the year goes quickly. Already following the forums and learning a lot. Really appreciate you sharing your experiences with the new Ollie as it will help us when it’s time to pick ours up. Being newbies, we’re finding the willingness of Ollie owners to share, teach and problem solve with each other, displays the greatest feature of owning an Ollie ... support from this unique family of owners. Looking forward to being part of this wonderful group! Bob & Deb

In response to Mainiac's question above: That would be a cool idea. Might get confused with the Joker in Batman tho. 🤣

Question for QuestionMark? Do you have a big ? on the front of your unit?

Oliver will likely churn out more trailers next year than any year prior. When a trailer costs this much, word of mouth and reputation is everything and it cuts both ways! I have no doubt that Oliver will fully resolve all of the issues outlined. The process to prevent issues from happening in the future requires far more work unfortunately.

Thanks for the post. IMO, that's a worrying number of initial quality problems.

#12 here, picked up in February, 2008. First photo is from April of this year. 2nd is at pickup at the factory. We had the trailer in to a local shop for service in April. There was a line up to see an 11 year old trailer that still looked brand new. We get that comment all the time at gas stops and campgrounds. Yes, we take care of it, wax it twice a year, and regular maintenance. But we don't "baby" it, and it's stored outside. Thats over 4200 days in the weather. We've towed our camper less than Pete, but more than many. Over 100,000 miles . We have in the last few years replaced the water pump, the refrigerator, and removed the microwave. Also replaced the water heater. Added solar in 2008, as 99 per cent if our camping is without electrical hookups. On the third set of tires and batteries. 2nd set of electric brakes. We're confident the trailer will be enjoyed by the next generation when we're gone, or no longer able to go camping. Sherry